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I have an older denon AVR that is acting up and decided it may be time to replace it. I was planning on getting another denon AVR and found a good deal on a 4311. In reading a bit on the forums, I am debating going with separates instead. If I do, i am leaning towards the emotiva UMC-200 and UPA-700. Someone I know recommend the Marantz MM7055 amp instead, but the emotiva seems to be a better value.

Here is what I have in the room:

TV: Sony 55hx929
AVR: Denon 3808

Hooked up via
Windows media center (TV and Blu-rays)
apple tv
xbox

Speakers:
Triad Onwall mini LCR 3.0 (planning on upgrading this to much better triads in the next 6 months)
Triad InWall Silver/4 Surround (rears)
Triad inroom silver omni sub



Anyone have any tips or advice? I am not stuck going one way other the other. Basically the 4311 vs the emotiva would be about the same price. The emotiva would be slightly more, but the 25% off emotiva lifetime upgrade would be nice in the future.
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Personally I feel the denon 4311 has much more to offer as a processor then the Emo unit, not to mention the quirks the Emo has. I would get the denon and run it for a bit by itself to determine the need for additional amplification. If you feel you need more power any of the Emo amps would do fine. I really like the xpa series and I find they are in what I consider the sweet spot of emos line up...price vs performance they are hard to better.

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You might also want to look into the newer Denon X4000 receiver as it is only 15 watts less per channel then the 4311 (X4000 125W vs. 4311 140W) and has some interesting sound and zone connectivity features!

If you must have 11.2 processing ability then your choice would be the 4311 over the X4000 as the X4000 sports 9.2 processing/7 amps and the 4311 11.2 processing /9 amps.

Reports also seem to state great performance and sound quality with the X4000!

Importantly, both the 4311 and X4000 both feature Audyssey XT32 with Sub EQ HT which can have some great potential performance benefits and which you should probably be looking for in any receiver/processor from no matter which manufacturer. It is especially noteworthy if you are going to ever integrate DUAL subs! wink.gif


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I don't think I will ever be doing 9.x or 11.x in this room. It is currently only 5.1 and I think that it is 50-50 that it will ever be some flavor of 7.1.
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mostly this is a chicken and the egg situation. here are my two worst case scenarios:

do a get an all in one AVR then the better speakers only to find out I need a amp and it cost a lot more

or

do I get a less expensive AVR (or just a preamp) and amp and then even with the better speakers have more then I need.


I am trying to find a happy medium to avoid some of this.
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I started a nearly identical thread to this last week, as I'm facing the same decision in a smallish dedicated theater room I'm building. Right now I'm leaning toward the Denon X4000 because the processor section has everything I need and want, basically. And even though I'll be using 4 ohms Triad Silvers across the front, I think the X4000 will probably have all the power I need to drive my 7.2 system. If not, then I'll switch to the pre-outs and add an amp later. Meanwhile, I'll be saving a big wad of money by not buying external amplification I might not need.
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I started a nearly identical thread to this last week, as I'm facing the same decision in a smallish dedicated theater room I'm building. Right now I'm leaning toward the Denon X4000 because the processor section has everything I need and want, basically. And even though I'll be using 4 ohms Triad Silvers across the front, I think the X4000 will probably have all the power I need. If not, then I'll switch to the pre-outs and add an amp later. Meanwhile, I'll be saving a big wad of money by not buying amplification I might not need.


Arch,

Just end the madness and pull the trigger on the X4000 as it really is a nice piece! wink.gif

The X4000 is state of the art in every way and the reports are great... what more could you want! biggrin.gif


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Arch,

Just end the madness and pull the trigger on the X4000 as it really is a nice piece! wink.gif

The X4000 is state of the art in every way and the reports are great... what more could you want! biggrin.gif


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Can you tell how hard I'm trying to talk myself into it? tongue.gif

Still need another receiver though, for the 5.1 system in the living room. I'd like it as fully featured as the X4000, but cheaper if possible. Audio is the priority there.
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Can you tell how hard I'm trying to talk myself into it? tongue.gif

Still need another receiver though, for the 5.1 system in the living room. I'd like it as fully featured as the X4000, but cheaper if possible. Audio is the priority there.


"Can you tell how hard I'm trying to talk myself into it?"


And can you tell that I am not a salesman? tongue.gif

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And can you tell that I am not a salesman? tongue.gif

Good luck and enjoy whichever way you go! biggrin.gif

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This is PRECISELY why I am having this discussion here.... and not some store. Having worked at several consumer electronic retail stores in my college years, I am well aware that the advice that they offer is 75% what is best for them.... and always bias to what is the house brands.
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Looking over the specs for the x4000. It says that it has 7 HDMI inputs and 3 out. Does that mean that any of the 7 sources can be viewed on any of the outputs as if it was a full hdmi matrix? If that is true it would mean that each of the three outs could be watching seperate sources or mirrored so they are all identical?

If this is true, then hands down, I am getting it. I have a second tv on the other side of the wall that is a 2 channel (that currently needs its own AVR) and sony MDR-DS7500 headphones that could be plugged into the third one...

...now sounds very interesting. It would be better and simplify my set up.



UPDATE:

I want to clarify what I would like to know if the x4000 is able to do:

1 set of sources that could either show independently on any of the three outs or be mirrored.

HDMI Zone 1 would be 5.1 (maybe 7.1 in the future but only if possible)

HDMI Zone 2 would only be stereo

HDMI Zone 3 would be sent out to the MDR-DS7500 processor to listen to movies when late at night when my wife has gone to bed. Video would be still what is on HDMI 1, but volume on those speakers would be turned all the way down.
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Looking over the specs for the x4000. It says that it has 7 HDMI inputs and 3 out. Does that mean that any of the 7 sources can be viewed on any of the outputs as if it was a full hdmi matrix? If that is true it would mean that each of the three outs could be watching seperate sources or mirrored so they are all identical?

If this is true, then hands down, I am getting it. I have a second tv on the other side of the wall that is a 2 channel (that currently needs its own AVR) and sony MDR-DS7500 headphones that could be plugged into the third one...

...now sounds very interesting. It would be better and simplify my set up.



UPDATE:

I want to clarify what I would like to know if the x4000 is able to do:

1 set of sources that could either show independently on any of the three outs or be mirrored.

HDMI Zone 1 would be 5.1 (maybe 7.1 in the future but only if possible)

HDMI Zone 2 would only be stereo

HDMI Zone 3 would be sent out to the MDR-DS7500 processor to listen to movies when late at night when my wife has gone to bed. Video would be still what is on HDMI 1, but volume on those speakers would be turned all the way down.



Ask this question here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq

and you will certainly receive a quick and concise answer from one of the resident Denon experts such as batpig and jdsmoothie.


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