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I'm setting up a 7.1 system using these 3 sets of these, a center channel and a 10 inch woofer.

I'm contemplating between:
[denon avr-2313ci]
[onkyo tx-nr717]
[yamaha rx-v675]

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?g=10420&cc=01&compareItems=01|033AV2313C&compareItems=01|580TXN717&compareItems=01|022RXV675

Other than wattage, it seems the only other major difference is the Preamp Output. The Onkyo has 13 while the others have 4. Does this make it a far more superior receiver than others?

All three have the features I want.
Internet ready
Multiple zones
7.1 (these are 7.2 but will do)
Airplay (except Onkyo but not important)
plenty of hdmi

I'm a novice so any thought would be appreciated.
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An amp only does that, amplifiy. An integrated amp has a pre-amp and amp in the same housing. A receiver has built in pre-amp and amp and adds in radio/internet sources all in the same housing. A receiver with pre-outs is more flexible than one without, in that it gives you the option for adding separate amplifiers later but doesn't necessarily equate to quality of the unit overall. One feature that can help distinguish a receiver is the room correction software (and level of that particular type of room correction software particularly).
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Thanks for the educational response. I changed the title to say "receiver" instead of "amp" (shows you how noob i am)

Does anyone have any input on which unit is better?
I probably will use it for 40% TV/Movies 40% music and 20% games.

Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the educational response. I changed the title to say "receiver" instead of "amp" (shows you how noob i am)

Does anyone have any input on which unit is better?
I probably will use it for 40% TV/Movies 40% music and 20% games.

Thanks in advance.
the denon in your first post has the best room correction out of the three you listed. That's the one I would be most interested in.

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Thanks for the educational response. I changed the title to say "receiver" instead of "amp" (shows you how noob i am)

Does anyone have any input on which unit is better?
I probably will use it for 40% TV/Movies 40% music and 20% games.

Thanks in advance.

No problem, just easier when someone asks if preamps from an amp make it a better amp smile.gif

I do like the flexibility of preouts for each channel to accommodate outboard amps, for speakers that need such and perhaps for flexibility on multiple speaker setups if you want to use zones and all 7 ch or different 7 ch configurations.

Indeed the Audyssey MultEQ XT is better than 2EQ, but for $600 I'd be thinking about spending another $100 for this with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (the best without going to the Audyssey pro level) and some other very nice features http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR818/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7.2-Ch-THX-Certified-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html

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So now its between the Denon AVR-2313CI and Onkyo TX-NR818

Does the MultEQ XT and XT32 make that much of a difference to warrant a $200 price difference?
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While XT32 is better, not sure about $200 better, that's why I pointed out the refurb deal at accessories4less. For that matter, the 2313 is $450 shipped at accessories4less.com (good rep/service, comes with warranty), so that's $250 at a4less. Never saw a reason to buy anything from Crutchfield over the years.

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So now its between the Denon AVR-2313CI and Onkyo TX-NR818

Does the MultEQ XT and XT32 make that much of a difference to warrant a $200 price difference?

One of our resident Audyssey gurus, kbarnes701 recently posted his thoughts on the differences starting here. You should also check out the excellent Audyssey FAQ and 101 linked in his sig.

For the extra $200 the Onkyo also gets you THX Select2+ certification, features and surround modes, an extra 30WPC (continuous; stereo) and a heap of pre-outs.
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While XT32 is better, not sure about $200 better, that's why I pointed out the refurb deal at accessories4less. For that matter, the 2313 is $450 shipped at accessories4less.com (good rep/service, comes with warranty), so that's $250 at a4less. Never saw a reason to buy anything from Crutchfield over the years.
Thanks, I will check them out.
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One of our resident Audyssey gurus, kbarnes701 recently posted his thoughts on the differences starting here. You should also check out the excellent Audyssey FAQ and 101 linked in his sig.

For the extra $200 the Onkyo also gets you THX Select2+ certification, features and surround modes, an extra 30WPC (continuous; stereo) and a heap of pre-outs.
I am sold on the XT32.. I guess I should save up some more pennies.. there seems to be no other receivers with XT32 in the same price range as the NR818
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While XT32 is better, not sure about $200 better, that's why I pointed out the refurb deal at accessories4less. For that matter, the 2313 is $450 shipped at accessories4less.com (good rep/service, comes with warranty), so that's $250 at a4less. Never saw a reason to buy anything from Crutchfield over the years.

Crutchfield is never the cheapest...
Their long-standing tenure is based upon knowledge, honesty, service and customer support...
The majority of consumers will shop for the lowest price..
But if any problems arise from buying from the lowest priced source, stand back..
As then the debate starts...
Who pays the unit's return freight..
Unit exchange policy..

Each consumer must decide for himself... 😳
But over their 40+ years, Crutchfield has continually received high marks for their customer support/service..

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
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I agree. I've never ordered anything from Crutchfield either but their catalogs and product compare feature provides me a good research tool.
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This is the specs on my satellites. Is it safe to use a 135w per channel receiver on speakers rated for 80w nominal, 160 maximium?

Impedance: 8 Ohms
Frequency Response: 42 Hz - 20,000 Hz
Power Handling Capacity: 80 Watts Nominal, 160 Maximum
Woofer: 8" Kevlar Woven Cone Woofer w/ 30oz Magnet and rubber surrounds.
Tweeter: 1" Pivoting Cat-Eye Silk Dome with Ferrofluid
Sensitivity: 89 +/- 2db (1.0M/2.83V)
Crossover: 12dB per Octave (with -3, -6 dB Switch)
Cut-Out Dimensions: 10 2/5"
Overall Dimensions: 11 3/10"
Mounting Depth: 5 1/2"

Also, my center channel is only rated for 40w maximum 80w maximum. Does anyone know if the Onkyo reciever will have the ability to adjust the wattage going to the center channel?
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I am sold on the XT32.. I guess I should save up some more pennies.. there seems to be no other receivers with XT32 in the same price range as the NR818

Last I checked the 818 is the lowest priced avr XT32 comes on....

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This is the specs on my satellites. Is it safe to use a 135w per channel receiver on speakers rated for 80w nominal, 160 maximium?

Impedance: 8 Ohms
Frequency Response: 42 Hz - 20,000 Hz
Power Handling Capacity: 80 Watts Nominal, 160 Maximum
Woofer: 8" Kevlar Woven Cone Woofer w/ 30oz Magnet and rubber surrounds.
Tweeter: 1" Pivoting Cat-Eye Silk Dome with Ferrofluid
Sensitivity: 89 +/- 2db (1.0M/2.83V)
Crossover: 12dB per Octave (with -3, -6 dB Switch)
Cut-Out Dimensions: 10 2/5"
Overall Dimensions: 11 3/10"
Mounting Depth: 5 1/2"

Also, my center channel is only rated for 40w maximum 80w maximum. Does anyone know if the Onkyo reciever will have the ability to adjust the wattage going to the center channel?

Shouldn't be a problem if you're judicious with the use of the volume control. The output of the amp is dependent on the input signal level and your use of the volume control; it doesn't automatically limit output to speakers. If you're going to get a receiver of this level why on earth are you using these speakers? WAF?

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Ok thanks. Budget more or less. I'd rather start with a nice receiver and upgrade my speakers as I go.
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Ok thanks. Budget more or less. I'd rather start with a nice receiver and upgrade my speakers as I go.

Normally you do it the other way around....more important to have better speakers.

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