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Including manuals, product sheet & a new price tag wink.gif

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-79

Thought I'd post this in a new thread rather than people posting this in every Pioneer model smile.gif

I'm downloading the manual to look for changes from the SC-68.

The European equivalent, SC-LX87, is not yet posted as of this afternoon.

I'm curious if the European model still has the multichannel analogs as some have thought based on prelim info.

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One new thing off the bat -

there really is a new speaker configuration, making 11 instead of the 68's 10.

It's called Multizone Music and it ties 5.1 sound for all zones to the main zone. Looks like those who've been wanting something like Yamaha's Party Mode in a Pioneer finally got their wish cool.gif

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With the $600 increase in MSRP, I was expecting to see some fairly major differences between it and the SC-68 but not noticing much initially. Thought it would have 11 channel processing at least.
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Hmm both units lost a little weight as well compared to 68 and 67.
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Here's the comparison list for all the new SC models.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers

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Living in a NYC apartment- It looks like the SC-71 would suit me fine.
But two features missing:

SABRE 32@ DAC
THX Select 2

I've always heard THX was a gimmick and offered no difference.
But the DAC could be a nice addition.

Worth the extra $600?
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I do say it's nice receiver,but im keeping what I have the Sc-37 plus the 4k TV's are out now don't impress me,then finally there talking about changing hdmi to 2.0 so im waiting 4k to be full bloom.
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I do say it's nice receiver,but im keeping what I have the Sc-37 ...

I'm still using my SC-07. It's been a delightful workhorse for me. cool.gif

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Living in a NYC apartment- It looks like the SC-71 would suit me fine.
But two features missing:

SABRE 32@ DAC
THX Select 2

I've always heard THX was a gimmick and offered no difference.
But the DAC could be a nice addition.

Worth the extra $600?
THX is not a gimmick it has to meet certain criteria to get the standard and thats not saying other models or brands don't meet the same criteria but at least you know for sure .
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I do say it's nice receiver,but im keeping what I have the Sc-37 plus the 4k TV's are out now don't impress me,then finally there talking about changing hdmi to 2.0 so im waiting 4k to be full bloom.

I am in the same boat. I am keeping my SC 35. No new features that I am dying to have. This avr has been a wonderful unit to build my HT around.

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Does anyone know if they finally offer what the SC-09 did all those years ago? A true dual sub out? Or like the SC-68 just a internal splitter? It's something I have been waiting to show up in models under the flagship that to date still hasn't been replaced.

I owned the SC-07 , had the SC-57 here and then moved into the SC-68. I was hoping the SC-57 would have had true dual sub outs but it didn't , then the SC-68 came out and it doesn't. Now the new SC-79 is coming and I bet it doesn't , if it does , I will sell the SC-68 and get the SC-79. If not I'm keeping the SC-68.

I don't see enough of a reason to spend more money on something thats not really any better. The Dual sub out's offering Test tone for each out and MCACC calibration for each would make me want it.
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Does anyone know if they finally offer what the SC-09 did all those years ago? A true dual sub out? Or like the SC-68 just a internal splitter? It's something I have been waiting to show up in models under the flagship that to date still hasn't been replaced.

I owned the SC-07 , had the SC-57 here and then moved into the SC-68. I was hoping the SC-57 would have had true dual sub outs but it didn't , then the SC-68 came out and it doesn't. Now the new SC-79 is coming and I bet it doesn't , if it does , I will sell the SC-68 and get the SC-79. If not I'm keeping the SC-68.

I don't see enough of a reason to spend more money on something thats not really any better. The Dual sub out's offering Test tone for each out and MCACC calibration for each would make me want it.

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If you have two subwoofers, the second subwoofer can be connected to the SUBWOOFER 2 terminal.
Connecting two subwoofers increases the bass sound to achieve more powerful sound reproduction. In this
case, the same sound is output from the two subwoofers.

Looks like exactly the same as all the previous models with 2 subwoofer outputs besides the SC-09/SC-LX90.

This was from post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479035/new-pioneer-sc-79-flagship-info-on-pioneer-website#post_23481069

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Why can't you do the one you have,check the owner manual on Pioneer web site if both subs are working why change receivers
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Does anyone know if they finally offer what the SC-09 did all those years ago? A true dual sub out? Or like the SC-68 just a internal splitter? It's something I have been waiting to show up in models under the flagship that to date still hasn't been replaced.

I owned the SC-07 , had the SC-57 here and then moved into the SC-68. I was hoping the SC-57 would have had true dual sub outs but it didn't , then the SC-68 came out and it doesn't. Now the new SC-79 is coming and I bet it doesn't , if it does , I will sell the SC-68 and get the SC-79. If not I'm keeping the SC-68.

I don't see enough of a reason to spend more money on something thats not really any better. The Dual sub out's offering Test tone for each out and MCACC calibration for each would make me want it.

levels are easy to setup - but what about the time delay for each subwoofer - can you set that up for each sub on the Pioneer ?

must have a look at my 59txi - it has dual subwoofer outputs - but not sure if you can control each independently - will check

looks a nice receiver this one - hope the on-street price isn't too far off current range - as its on my radar as a potential purchase
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must have a look at my 59txi - it has dual subwoofer outputs - but not sure if you can control each independently - will check

don't think so, IIRC its MCACC settings only had 1 sub calibrated level, trim, distance. the only one that had true dual independent sub outputs was the SC-09/LX90. after that model, Pioneer went back to a combined output with 2 jacks.

I'm looking at the 79 wink.gif

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Living in a NYC apartment- It looks like the SC-71 would suit me fine.
But two features missing:

SABRE 32@ DAC
THX Select 2

I've always heard THX was a gimmick and offered no difference.
But the DAC could be a nice addition.

Worth the extra $600?

By not getting the SC-77 you'll be missing:

Sabre 32bit DAC
Pioneer Optimum Surround Mode
full-band phase control

The Optimum Surround Mode and Full Band Phase Control are worth the money.

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don't think so, IIRC its MCACC settings only had 1 sub calibrated level, trim, distance. the only one that had true dual independent sub outputs was the SC-09/LX90. after that model, Pioneer went back to a combined output with 2 jacks.

I'm looking at the 79 wink.gif


I did look in de SC-79 manual wink.gif
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If you have two subwoofers, the second subwoofer can be connected to the SUBWOOFER 2 terminal.
Connecting two subwoofers increases the bass sound to achieve more powerful sound reproduction. In this
case, the same sound is output from the two subwoofers.

Looks like exactly the same as all the previous models with 2 subwoofer outputs besides the SC-09/SC-LX90.

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Even as a huge proponent of Pioneer Electronics, I wish they get out of the middle-ages and have true 2 sub support.

There have been nearly no update in their MCACC in the past 4 years!

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Even as a huge proponent of Pioneer Electronics, I wish they get out of the middle-ages and have true 2 sub support.

There have been nearly no update in their MCACC in the past 4 years!

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Looks like exactly the same as all the previous models with 2 subwoofer outputs besides the SC-09/SC-LX90.

agreed. I think that's what I said or meant wink.gif

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I'm still using my SC-07. It's been a delightful workhorse for me. cool.gif

Yep, me too. I bought mine in 2008 and the thing has been running flawlessly! Just a great receiver. I don't see me upgrading for another few years when 4K and Dolby Atmos have made it to the consumer market, and then I'll probably jump to a Classé processor.
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I'm contemplating in upgrading my SC-25 to SC-77 due to 2 things:

1. Virtual Speakers (Virtual Height, Virtual Surround Back, Virtual Width, Virtual Depth)
2. ESS Sabre DAC

You guys think they're worth upgrading to? I've listened to SC-68 virtual speakers playing DTS NeoX on 5.1 speaker configuration and I find it to be very convincing.

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I'm contemplating in upgrading my SC-25 to SC-77 due to 2 things:

1. Virtual Speakers (Virtual Height, Virtual Surround Back, Virtual Width, Virtual Depth)
2. ESS Sabre DAC

You guys think they're worth upgrading to? I've listened to SC-68 virtual speakers playing DTS NeoX on 5.1 speaker configuration and I find it to be very convincing.
The Sabre 32 has my interests .
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From the manual:
Looks like exactly the same as all the previous models with 2 subwoofer outputs besides the SC-09/SC-LX90.

This was from post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479035/new-pioneer-sc-79-flagship-info-on-pioneer-website#post_23481069

I was afraid of that. O well I'll keep my SC-68. It's a shame they don't update MCACC to support 2 true sub outs , the SC-09 why can't the newer models have this? it's a small request
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At $3000 list, there just has to be some other advantages for the SC-79 over the SC-68 other than the Sabre DACs!!
Oh and a "party mode".
As a true lover of the Elite product line, come on Pioneer and give me justification for the price increase and reasons to upgrade.

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I don't see any point in upgrading to SC-79 over SC-77 as the difference is only on the HD Base-T. The power rating may be rated differently but based on the service manual and component list, SC 77 and SC 79 are identical in the amp and power supply area. Hence my wanting to upgrade to 77 but not 79.

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upgrade, David, you know you want to wink.gifbiggrin.gif

I really really want to, just trying to find an excuse or two to NOT upgrade my receiver.

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I don't see any point in upgrading to SC-79 over SC-77 as the difference is only on the HD Base-T. The power rating may be rated differently but based on the service manual and component list, SC 77 and SC 79 are identical in the amp and power supply area. Hence my wanting to upgrade to 77 but not 79.
I agree and spent a minute or two looking the comparison chart over the 77 would be my choice right now.
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