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Just came out on the Yamaha website and looks like a great unit. Competition for the Marantz 8801 I would suspect.

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There is a thread for this model already.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474980/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a1030-rx-a2030-rx-a3030-and-cx-a5000-mx-a5000-thread

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That is cool, I never noticed it on my phone because the title is too long. Perhaps a dedicated thread without the receivers would be nice as the 8801 has without the SRs and 7701. I assume it is good enough to have its own thread? Don't care who starts it just would rather focus on the prepro.
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This is great for Yahama lover's this is great news
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The new Yamaha CX-A5000 separates has the “new” YPAO™ R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) Sound Optimization with Speaker Angle Measurement mic, is this as good as Audyssey XT32 which has always been said to be the best on the market
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XT32 :

POPULAR? Yes.

BEST? Debatable. People can argue ad nauseam.
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I have XT32 with my Integra DHC 80.3 and do not use Audyssey for music and I am not alone. I think it comes down to your system and room whether it will benefit. XT32 is certainly popular, no arguing that.

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That is cool, I never noticed it on my phone because the title is too long. Perhaps a dedicated thread without the receivers would be nice as the 8801 has without the SRs and 7701. I assume it is good enough to have its own thread? Don't care who starts it just would rather focus on the prepro.

Not posting this because I started the other thread, but the difference between the 8801 and the other models you mention are much further apart than the AVENTAGE offerings..

Outside of a couple of extra HD3 programs, the CX-A5000 and A3030 are identical in functionality and features,,,

I think maintaining two threads will lead to some questions not being answered in one while being answered in the other...

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I can not tell the difference between the various threads (010, 020 and 030) on my phone and I would guess I am not alone. I addressed it by subscribing to the 030 thread. Many people thought the 8801 was going to sound like the Denon 4520 from which it was derived but that turned out wrong, the 8801 was a step above.

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I can not tell the difference between the various threads (010, 020 and 030) on my phone and I would guess I am not alone. I addressed it by subscribing to the 030 thread. Many people thought the 8801 was going to sound like the Denon 4520 from which it was derived but that turned out wrong, the 8801 was a step above.

I'm sure it will sort itself out.. however, the 4520 and 8801 are easily differentiated (HDAM, operation differences, brand "tuning...")

While Onkyo and Integra are almost identical in their lineups (where product parity applies,) Denon and Marantz are definitely more separated by design.

My point is that there is already a fair amount of discussion and information in the other thread... and hopefully people who come here will see the link to the other thread and subscribe to it, browsing via mobile or not. smile.gif
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XT32 :

POPULAR? Yes.

BEST? Debatable. People can argue ad nauseam.

Put it this way, I'm an Audyssey Pro Certified Professional and I don't put it in any of my signature.

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You started with a strong statement. But for those of us needing comparisons between the various forms of Audyssey and the way Yamaha goes about accomplishing the same goal, we're left wanting. After living with Audyssey for several years, and in the market for a new Pre/Pro or receiver, I don't know how to compare it with what Yamaha does to the sound in your room.

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And the reason is?


I would like know also David, can you please enlighten us?

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I would like know also David, can you please enlighten us?

My "guess" would be that room treatments, bass traps and the proper usage of a robust P-EQ are his preferences for room correction.
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The apication for home Audyssey is soooo ham fisted the end result sounds too artificial. Audyssey sounds amazing for large venue but not for home use. I always try to sway my clients away from Audyssey.
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The apication for home Audyssey is soooo ham fisted the end result sounds too artificial. Audyssey sounds amazing for large venue but not for home use. I always try to sway my clients away from Audyssey.
I always feel like it is artificial with Audyssey for music, okay for movies. That is why In part I am so interested in the Brystin SP3. If it did DSD and perhaps PLIIz, I would be working hard to make it happen. The CXA may be a good alternative, just need more reviews.

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Originally Posted by David Susilo View PostThe application for home Audyssey is soooo ham fisted the end result sounds too artificial. Audyssey sounds amazing for large venue but not for home use. I always try to sway my clients away from Audyssey.

Interesting, you must get crucified by the AUDYSSEY BELIEVERS

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I am one of the folks who Pre-ordered the CX-A5000 and received it on 2 Aug. I have been into audio since I went in the service in 86 and have owned flagship preamplifier models of Carver, DBX, Sony, yamaha, Pioneer, Kenwood, Marantz, and B&K. I can say in my opinion with my unit connected to an ATI AT 2007 and ATI AT 2004 amplifiers via XLR cables this unit is the clearest, most dynamic, and easiest to setup and operate Pre pro I have ever owned. I did a pretty thorough write up in the other thread. One thing I found since I run 11 channel of klipsch reference speakers to eliminate there brightness is to put the eq in through mode after running YPAO. I think this and the Marantz 8801 are the cream of the crop at the sub 3k mark and a lot will depend on the features your looking for regardless of there calibration setup algorithms I.e audysee or YPAO. I to believe unless your area is very large YPAO allows more "tweaking" for YOUR listening preferences. This is all my opinion, with my room acoustics, my gear, my experience, and my ears. So please take this with a grain of salt and remember it all boils down to what you like so I highly recommend auditioning any piece before you purchase.

I for one am very happy with my unit and am happy to see Yamaha doing separates again.

P.s. for a real treat I ran an oppo bdp-95 via xlr out into the xlr inputs on the CX-A5000 and played Van Halen Women and Children First mastered in 196/24 in direct mode. Holy cow I think the cat is still stuck to the ceiling!!!!!
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I have it from two sources that have compared the CXA to the 8801 who call them sonically equivalent. To me, based on the 8801's extreme positive feedback, this bodes well for the CXA. Waiting for some published reviews.

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I for one am very happy with my unit and am happy to see Yamaha doing separates again.

P.s. for a real treat I ran an oppo bdp-95 via xlr out into the xlr inputs on the CX-A5000 and played Van Halen Women and Children First mastered in 196/24 in direct mode. Holy cow I think the cat is still stuck to the ceiling!!!!!

Sweet, how does the YPO compares with Audyssey XT32?

 

Yamaha is a music company first just like Sony was before they lost their mjo!

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Sweet, how does the YPO compares with Audyssey XT32?

Yamaha is a music company first just like Sony was before they lost their mjo!

I have compared the HDMI source direct to the BDP-105 analogs on several Preamps and receivers.
In every case so far, I find LPCM over HDMI results in a loss of fidelity.

IMHO, This is a bad place to start.

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I agree, I found the best sound for critical audio listening is XLR out of my Oppo BDP-95 into the XLR in on the CX-A5000 and setting both the Yamaha and Oppo to source direct. HDMI is good for movies and causal listning.smile.gif

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Multichannel sacd with the Oppo 105 set to bitstream over Hdmi with Audyssey to my 8801 resulted in beyond casual listening , in fact its reference playback ! and i have a hard time these days choosing between the 2/ch and multi/ch mixes. My listing in this regard is largely classical and a little jazz. I would like to say that I find Lpcm to have a more rolled off sound and is less dynamic than bitstreaming directly with the Oppo set to DSD wink.gif
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Thats next on my wish wish is the BDP-105. i will hopefully be able to purchase it after the holidays, i plan on using the BDP-95 for direct 2 Channel via XLR and connect the 105 via HDMI and run Bitstream with DSD for my SACD and DVD-A collection. looking at a benchmark DAC2 L for dedicated connection with my PC also during that time perioed. It may mean more conpenents but each will be a set and forget it deal.smile.gif

Hopefully by then if the stars align and the federal budget passes...well ok i can ask for the stars to align..... Oppo will have come up with a 105 with Darbee incorporated.

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Thats next on my wish wish is the BDP-105. i will hopefully be able to purchase it after the holidays, i plan on using the BDP-95 for direct 2 Channel via XLR and connect the 105 via HDMI and run Bitstream with DSD for my SACD and DVD-A collection. looking at a benchmark DAC2 L for dedicated connection with my PC also during that time perioed. It may mean more conpenents but each will be a set and forget it deal.smile.gif

Hopefully by then if the stars align and the federal budget passes...well ok i can ask for the stars to align..... Oppo will have come up with a 105 with Darbee incorporated.

I sold my 95 for the 105 ( I was worried at first but that went away quickly) and between it and 8801 (fewer components) Its all you need with the Yammy, I have mine setup the way you described above sans the 95. I use the 105's XLR's to the 8801 for 2/ch and I bitstream over hdmi to the 8801 for all multi/ch, I just keep the 105 set to DSD stereo as a default as the 8801 will accept a native DSD stream and I just hit what ever button for which ever desired method of playback. The 105 will decode anything under the sun very well and you can run your pc or usb to it as well to tap those fantastic Sabre dac's wink.gif
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Hopefully by then if the stars align and the federal budget passes...well ok i can ask for the stars to align..... Oppo will have come up with a 105 with Darbee incorporated.

Yes they will also hopefully integrate DIRAC then I can ditch my pre/pro :)

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I just took delivery of a Yamaha cx-a5000. I have an Oppo bdp-105. I'm in the process of wiring my media room with all of the available channels. In the meantime, I'm am listen to 2 channel music. I have the oppo bdp-105 connected to the yamaha cx-a5000 via hdmi 1 (AV1), the yamaha cx-a5000 connected to a Mcintosh mc-402 amp via balanced xlr cables. My question; can I listen to music CDs via bitstream instead of PCM? When I set the oppo to output hdmi audio "bitstream", the yamaha still reads PCM on the display. Also, SACD DSD 2 channel audio is not heard. Is there anything that can be set on either unit to pass bitstream?
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I just took delivery of a Yamaha cx-a5000. I have an Oppo bdp-105. I'm in the process of wiring my media room with all of the available channels. In the meantime, I'm am listen to 2 channel music. I have the oppo bdp-105 connected to the yamaha cx-a5000 via hdmi 1 (AV1), the yamaha cx-a5000 connected to a Mcintosh mc-402 amp via balanced xlr cables. My question; can I listen to music CDs via bitstream instead of PCM? When I set the oppo to output hdmi audio "bitstream", the yamaha still reads PCM on the display. Also, SACD DSD 2 channel audio is not heard. Is there anything that can be set on either unit to pass bitstream?
Thank you in advance.
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When I replaced my rx-a3010 with my cx-a5000 I forgot that the hdmi 1 output on my bdp-95 only outputs lpcm and I spent hours trying to figure out what the issue was, suffice to say once I switched to using hdmi 2 out from the oppo into the yammaha low and behold I got a bitstream signal. I would run the second hdmi out from the oppo into the Yamaha and test if that input shows a bitstream signal there's your answere. What I did for the best 2 channel sound and get a GUI on my tv from the oppo was set hdmi 1 from the oppo to video only then connect the dedicated RCA analog outputs from the oppo to a set of analog inputs along with the hdmi input on the Yamaha (av-4 in my case) then on the Yamaha with that input selected go to the Yamaha options menu and set audio input to analog for that same input. Here's a quick connection guide;

Oppo bdp-105. Analog stereo outputs to Yamaha av-4 analog in
Oppo bdp-105 hdmi 1 or 2? Out to Yamaha av-4 hdmi in
Yamaha av-4 input selected
Yamaha av-4 options set audio to analog
Set Yamaha to pure direct ( bypasses all DSP's and on board dacs)


Hope this helps. If you look under my profile there is actually a wiring diagram in my pics showing all my connections

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