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post #1 of 23 Old 07-03-2013, 02:00 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi guys...


I just recevied my KEF R series (R900-R600c-R300) in walnut finish... Woow amazing feeling.


I just decide to take the parasound A31 ( to the three front ) & parasound A23 ( two surround ) to drive the complete package.


Today i found the A23 but A31 not found it on the internet.

That make me to try change the way completly from parasound to another excellent company.


Like the parasound amps, i need two amps the first to drive the three fronts speaker ( with at least 250w at 8 ohms on three channel ).

And the other amp need it to drive the two surround (the two R300).

Please help me quickly cuz i am very hungry to listen my music on my dream speaker..


Thank you very much about the old advices..




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Krell Kav 250a / 3 channel...

What about this amplifier for the fronts.
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Hi guys...


I just recevied my KEF R series (R900-R600c-R300) in walnut finish... Woow amazing feeling.


I just decide to take the parasound A31 ( to the three front ) & parasound A23 ( two surround ) to drive the complete package.


Today i found the A23 but A31 not found it on the internet.

That make me to try change the way completly from parasound to another excellent company.


Like the parasound amps, i need two amps the first to drive the three fronts speaker ( with at least 250w at 8 ohms on three channel ).

And the other amp need it to drive the two surround (the two R300).

Please help me quickly cuz i am very hungry to listen my music on my dream speaker..


Thank you very much about the old advices..




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Did you try Audio Advisor for the A31 ?
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Did you try Audio Advisor for the A31 ?


No, i will see it....
Thank you so much.
If there anything i will post here.
Thank you again my friend.
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Hi afrogt....

The sherbourn is not recommended to me & the second emotiva also you linked...

But before i post this topic i went to Emotiva website and i like the XPR-5 | 400W x 5

You linked it in the first link....but it seems to be too hight on the two surround ( The R300s supplies with 400W ) !!!!!
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No, i will see it....
Thank you so much.
If there anything i will post here.
Thank you again my friend.

Enjoy smile.gif your in for a treat , I'm loving my A21 on my dream speakers as well wink.gif
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Hi afrogt....

The sherbourn is not recommended to me & the second emotiva also you linked...

But before i post this topic i went to Emotiva website and i like the XPR-5 | 400W x 5

You linked it in the first link....but it seems to be too hight on the two surround ( The R300s supplies with 400W ) !!!!!

Are you planning to turn the volume up all the way? Do you know how loud 400W would be? How large is your room?

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6 metters * 4 metters.
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Are you planning to turn the volume up all the way? Do you know how loud 400W would be? How large is your room?


The XRP-5 you listed it in the links....
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The XRP-5 you listed it in the links....

That response really didn't answer my question...

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That response really didn't answer my question...


My friend afrogt..... I told you the size of my room (6 m * 4m).
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Maybe one of these will help in what you want. They make amps for some of the very high end.

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers.html
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Thank you mr phantom....

Is the ATI amps R classified as high end amps to recommanded them to my KEF R packkage ?....the answer will determine what i wil do.

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Thank you mr phantom....

Is the ATI amps R classified as high end amps to recommanded them to my KEF R packkage ?....the answer will determine what i wil do.

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They make amps for several very high end companies. Those companies are listed on their own website. IMO they are as good as the Parasounds you are wanting. I really like that soft start circuitry feature and that every model they sell is "under rated" as far as actual power output. Read the reviews on their different models as well as their spec sheets. Compare these specs with the Parasounds models to see if the Parasouds are really worth the difference in price. The first link I gave you is for B stock models that still come with their full 7 year warranty. Good luck for whichever choose.

http://ati-amp.com/home.php
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The amps r very good especially about nuber of channel ( you can choose the number of channel you need )..... I will see the reviews about them......

Thank you very very much....
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Thank you mr phantom....

Is the ATI amps R classified as high end amps to recommanded them to my KEF R packkage ?....the answer will determine what i wil do.

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No. If you're worried about whether an amp is classified as "high end," you need a Lexicon or Mark Levinson. Or maybe a Cary.

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No. If you're worried about whether an amp is classified as "high end," you need a Lexicon or Mark Levinson. Or maybe a Cary.

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The Mark Levinson is made by ATI. As is the Theta, Outlaws, and others. The ATI's are made here in the U.S. Others are made in good ole China. Some say engineered in U.S. but don't say where they are made. Parasound is the first that comes to mind. Check out the back of a Parasound and then the ATI's. The Cary 7 channel amp is almost $8k MRSP. With the cost of that you could buy the Bryston and at least have a 20 year warranty. Sorry just looked at the back of the Parasound A51 and found the "Made in Taiwan" sticker.
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No. If you're worried about whether an amp is classified as "high end," you need a Lexicon or Mark Levinson. Or maybe a Cary.

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The Mark Levinson is made by ATI. As is the Theta, Outlaws, and others.

Umm, don't forget Lexicon and Cary. wink.gif

(Also, ATI doesn't just "make" Theta. They own the brand. Also, B&K now. And a few others whose names escape me.)

Given that extra information, it should be clear that my earlier post was in jest.

That said, if one wants a well-designed, well-made, sonically transparent, high powered multichannel amp with top-tier after-sales support, ATI is a very good choice. If one wants to sink money into a "high end" faceplate, one can do that while still getting...most* of the other advantages of the ATI, one can do that with a Levinson, Cary, Lexicon, etc. amp.

To the OP, I use an ATI AT2007 to drive Pioneer EX front speakers, KEF R800ds side-surrounds, and KEF Q100 rear surrounds. It does not do the job any better than my old Sherwood Newcastle A-965 did, but it's a little shorter and I can now keep the back panel on my stereo cabinet closed. Sonically, it does nothing except for amplify the signal. Basically a perfect amp, with no perceptible self-noise and tons of headroom. But if having a so-called "classified as high end" amp is important to you, then other people probably aren't going to recognize the pedigree of ATI as much as some other brands that are more regularly sold by expensive audio parts dealers. You won't end up with worse sound if you choose a different brand. The main real-world performance difference between them boils down to the faceplate you want to look at.

*I write "most of the other advantages" because after-sales support, warranty policies, etc. may be inferior with a "high end" brand amp compared to an ATI amp. Best to read the fine print.

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Mercedes makes the Smart car and the S Class, does that make them the same?

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Mercedes makes the Smart car and the S Class, does that make them the same?

Of course not, but at least they are both Mercedes. It's not like trying to make a Chrysler into a Mercedes though is it.
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Mercedes makes the Smart car and the S Class, does that make them the same?

Is the smart about the same size, dimensions, mass, advertised topology ("fully balanced," etc.), and rated power as the S-Class, with margin-of-error performance differences in third party testing?

There may be some parts differences between ATI-branded amps and amps they may make for others, sure. Actually, there definitely are. Faceplates are different. Back panels are different, as are binding posts, etc. Some have rockers to switch between balanced and unbalanced inputs. Others have useful convenience features for a 100lb amp, such as handles on the front and/or back. But they're all completely without their own "sound." Just like any other nonbroken amp of competent design and sufficient power to reach the desired SPL with a given set of loudspeakers. At at any rate, people can draw their own conclusions about differences.

There are also other more material differences between these similar amps (whether made by ATI, made by a Far Eastern OEM, or hand-soldered by the designer in her kitchen in the first district of Vienna), such as warranty length and transferability.

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