Originally Posted by Louquid
Sure the Velodyne in question here may be "flat, goes deep, and well controlled", but it doesn't make it worth the price. I would like to know what SPL levels you're getting at 30Hz and 20Hz. I promise you aren't getting near the volume of other subwoofers in this price range.
You continue to talk of the "integrated EQ" as if it's some magical characteristic only found in the Velodyne. I don't know how many times I have to write "miniDSP" to make it clear. Any subwoofer can be EQ'd and integrated into a room with a miniDSP....
Again, the Velodyne is a good option for someone who's main focus is getting the smallest "high" performing sub available. Fit and finish can be had with most subwoofers, so this really isn't a plus for the Velodyne here. ...
Dude, you kind of got it with the "smallest high performing" bit, but then went back to bombastic nonsense about hight SPL levels at 12Hz. Really, what material are you going to play that contains such information, and are you really going to hear it? It's a bit like the guys who brag about their 1200W amps driving perfectly efficient speakers in a 12'x15' room and then wax poetic about the added "airiness."
Again, the Velodynes are good subs and for their size, they provide a good balance between form and function and the integrated EQ helps with room idiosyncrasies.
Sure, you can get louder if you go bigger and sure, you can get cheaper. If you go DYI, you can probably get the best value for your $. You can also use the miniDSP (or a better box).
But this is not the point here. For the average room, if your sub is reasonably well integrated, you are unlikely to ever need high SPL at extremely low frequencies, even if you can find non-test material which goes that deep. For the average non-basement room, and for most non-basement dwellers who care about the visual appeal of their surroundings, smaller size and an integrated look does have an appeal and it is often worth a few extra $$$.
Frankly, I personally find the Optimum 10 a little big for what it is and don't particularly love the tapered look. But is sounds good in my space (and it is sort of hidden, so I don't really have to look at it). It is plenty loud, in fact I had to go to a curve which shaves 3dB off, so that it integrates better. I have tried it, I am happy with it and I can recommend it with clear conscience.
I have the DD in a large room (over 60' in length) and it performs perfectly for music. I have had louder subs in the same room and I personally did not find that appealing, at least to my taste.
At the end, I am sure that the OP can find cheaper, as well as more expensive subs than the Velodyne. Depending on the room and on the listening preferences, they may want louder, or they may not. But there is rarely the need to tell them that based on some graph you half understand, some other brand would "destroy" whatever they are are asking about.