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I'm upgrading my aging pioneer receiver, and looking at the denon x4000 specifically. So, I check out my local Magnolia Best Buy to give it a listen. The employee clearly was talking up the Marantz unit next to it (last years sr7007). First, he compared a track and switched back and forth between the pair. He then tried demonstrating the superiority of the Marantz, with the Denon clearly at a lower volume. Irritated, I asked him to volume match and redo. Even after this, the Marantz did sound noticeably fuller.

Could the employee be tricking me somehow? I didn't expect anything but a slight difference between the pair. The speakers tested were the B&W CM5 and source was a Marantz CD player.

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Of course, they're trying to unload all their SR7007 receivers before the SR7008 arrives in the next week or so.

"Fuller" usually means "more bass." It could be that the Marantz receiver had "LFE+MAIN" enabled while the Denon did not. That would have resulted in extra bass in the frequencies where the subwoofer (assuming they had one on) and the main speakers overlapped in their frequency ranges.

Don't forget that you should be using Audyssey at home. My understanding is that BB never enables Audyssey on receivers in their stores. The X4000 has Audyssey MultEQ XT32 but the SR7007 has only Audyssey MultEQ XT. People who've heard its effects agree that XT32 produces noticeably better equalization than does XT.

If you can afford the higher price, you might want to consider getting the SR7008 when it becomes available. It is the equivalent of the X4000 plus preamp outputs, so you could use it with external amps if you want.
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The 7007 is not a bad receiver, but you can get the Cambridge Audio 551R for $1199, and IMO it sounds WAY better than any thing else in that price range.

You might want to check out the Home Theater review of the Cambridge; they loved it.
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Cambridge only provides Audyssey 2EQ. It can't EQ the subwoofer, which generally needs the most help.

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Well Crap......the plan was to use the x4000 for the audyssey xt32, 5.1 and the DLNA + AirPlay, then to buy an stereo amp for 2 channel.
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I was under the impression that the European version of the X4000 had pramp outputs but the US version didn't. Maybe I'm confusing it with the X3000. I need to get current manuals to verify that. You might be able to visit BB and verify the preamp outputs before I can, though.

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According to the Denon US website the x4000 has 7.1 channel output and the x3000 has 2.1 channel output so yes you could if needed run a stereo amp for the Land R front channels on the x3000 or bump the budget and get the x4000 to run all external amps.
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Great! I think the x4000 paired with an Emotiva xpa-2 might be a really good 5.1 to 2-channel combo.
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Great! I think the x4000 paired with an Emotiva xpa-2 might be a really good 5.1 to 2-channel combo.
You may want to try the 4000 amps first it may save you some money to put somewhere else like another sub or room treatments just a thought.
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Cambridge only provides Audyssey 2EQ. It can't EQ the subwoofer, which generally needs the most help.
Did you look at the 551R speaker posts in the rear, only bare wire, can't use banana plugs. eek.gif

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You may want to try the 4000 amps first it may save you some money to put somewhere else like another sub or room treatments just a thought.
I agree, might want to see if the built-in amps in the AVR-X4000 are enough.

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I was under the impression that the European version of the X4000 had pramp outputs but the US version didn't. Maybe I'm confusing it with the X3000. I need to get current manuals to verify that. You might be able to visit BB and verify the preamp outputs before I can, though.

Right, confusing it with the X3000. The X4000 and 331XCI series all have 7.2 pre-outs, while none of the lower USA models have any main zone pre-outs. The European X3000 also have a full set of 7.2 pre-outs. Note also that all Marantz models have at least 2.1 main zone pre-outs with the 500X, 600X, an 700X models having a full set of 7.1 pre-outs.
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According to the Denon US website the x4000 has 7.1 channel output and the x3000 has 2.1 channel output so yes you could if needed run a stereo amp for the Land R front channels on the x3000 or bump the budget and get the x4000 to run all external amps.

It's likely referring to the Zone 2 pre-outs as there are no main zone pre-outs on the X3000.

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