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Hey guys!

I would like to ask you a bunch of questions since I'm on the verge of buying a 7008.

I mainly watch movies (70% of the time), but also music (30%).

I currently own a Pioneer VSX-923, matched with Monitor Audio BX5 + BXC (front) + BX1 (back) (which you can see here if you're in the mood: My Home Cinema Living Room), and I'm curently not completely satisfied...
I feel that the receiver is just not cutting it... the soundstage is "small" (as in "not wide") and the dialogues are not very present (even after several attemps to calibrate the whole thing... it's better, but it just doesn't feel quite right!).

After hearing a set of Monitor Audio Mass Series paired with a Pioneer LX57 sounding way better than my BX5/BXC/BX1+VSX923 set, I can only think that my receiver is the main culprit of such differences...

So, will I get a better sound with the Marantz?

The Pio delivers a powered, punchy, detailed experience... the Marantz is known for it's musicality...

What should I expect?
A softer/rounder sound?
Will it be a little bit more on the flat/dull side, with less dynamic range and power?
I would like to get a sound signature close to the Pio as I feel they are essential to a good movie watching experience...

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the looks of the 7008, and the XT32 is one of the main reasons I thought of this receiver... the sole possibility of setting the speaker/subwoofer crossover's individually is crucial to me! The Pio's are very limited in that field...

The con?
Power comsumption!
The 7008 is a true GLUTTON! 710W when ON?! OUCH!
The Pio only "eats" 330W! Bummer!

Either way, I think I'll feel a big improvement in the overall sound won't I?

Well, that's it for now... I hope you can help me with your insights!

Thank you in advance!

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The con?
Power comsumption!
The 7008 is a true GLUTTON! 710W when ON?! OUCH!
The Pio only "eats" 330W! Bummer!
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The maximum power requirements will rarely (if ever) be reached on a continuous basis. There is a relationship between Sound Pressure Level (SPL) at the Main Listening Position (MLP), speaker sensitivity, distance between the speakers and MLP, the number of speakers and amp power.

If you listen at sane levels, have good efficient speakers (your Monitor Audio BX5 are rated for 90dB/W/m so it's fairly efficient), don't sit too far away from the speakers and implement bass management you should be okay. It is doubtful the total power draw of 710W even at reference level is required by the Marantz SR7008. So you wont be frying eggs on the receiver if that is a concern. The HDMI board and video processor section will consume more energy (and get hotter) than the amp section under most operating conditions.

The Pioneer receiver implements Class D type amps which are more efficient than the Class AB amps used in Marantz. The power output between the two receivers in stereo mode are about the same - so no advantage there. The DSP implemented by Pioneer gives it a unique sound signature. The same thing with Marantz. It's a personal decision on which DSP signature one likes more than the other.

What advantage the SR7008 has is Audyssey XT32 room correction. With more filters assigned to the important bass frequencies which has an impact to perceived sound quality to the listener, my understanding is this is much better than the 3 band PEQ offered in MACC. Plus Audyssey has sub EQ HT; it can set separate trims and delays for two independent subs as well as time align them together. The intent is to smooth out the bass frequencies within the room and widen the sweet spot at the MLP. Not sure how Pioneer deals with two separate subs - might need an external box solution like DSP anti-mode.

If sound quality is important to you, the features of Audyssey XT32 should be a major consideration.
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Could be an HDMI handshake issue with the HTPC. If you press the INFO button on the AVR remote, is PCM 2.0 or DD 2.0 being received from the HTPC?

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Could be an HDMI handshake issue with the HTPC. If you press the INFO button on the AVR remote, is PCM 2.0 or DD 2.0 being received from the HTPC?
Status button on the SR7008 shows:
Main Zone only: Sig.: PCM, fs:48khz, Format:2/0/.0., H=HDMI5/D=None
Main Zone + Zone2: H=HDMI5/D=None

Other things I notified while in Main Zone + Zone2:
- Hitting Info on the remote displays nothing at the screen
- Hitting Setup on the remote shows the OSD in 4:3 format instead of 16:9
- Setup->General->Information shows Input Signal: Analog
- So I went in Setup->Inputs->Input Select and changed Input Mode from Auto to HDMI
- Now in Setup->General->Information shows Input Signal: Unknown. Still not working.

I also notified that when in Main Zone and I power on Zone2, the video and audio cuts, then the audio come back for a fraction of second, then it goes away.

Your suggestion of an HDMI handshake issue seems to make sense.
Is there any workaround ?
Thanks again!
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The maximum power requirements will rarely (if ever) be reached on a continuous basis. There is a relationship between Sound Pressure Level (SPL) at the Main Listening Position (MLP), speaker sensitivity, distance between the speakers and MLP, the number of speakers and amp power.

If you listen at sane levels, have good efficient speakers (your Monitor Audio BX5 are rated for 90dB/W/m so it's fairly efficient), don't sit too far away from the speakers and implement bass management you should be okay. It is doubtful the total power draw of 710W even at reference level is required by the Marantz SR7008. So you wont be frying eggs on the receiver if that is a concern. The HDMI board and video processor section will consume more energy (and get hotter) than the amp section under most operating conditions.

The Pioneer receiver implements Class D type amps which are more efficient than the Class AB amps used in Marantz. The power output between the two receivers in stereo mode are about the same - so no advantage there. The DSP implemented by Pioneer gives it a unique sound signature. The same thing with Marantz. It's a personal decision on which DSP signature one likes more than the other.

What advantage the SR7008 has is Audyssey XT32 room correction. With more filters assigned to the important bass frequencies which has an impact to perceived sound quality to the listener, my understanding is this is much better than the 3 band PEQ offered in MACC. Plus Audyssey has sub EQ HT; it can set separate trims and delays for two independent subs as well as time align them together. The intent is to smooth out the bass frequencies within the room and widen the sweet spot at the MLP. Not sure how Pioneer deals with two separate subs - might need an external box solution like DSP anti-mode.

If sound quality is important to you, the features of Audyssey XT32 should be a major consideration.
Thanks for your answer!

Yes, sound quality is important to me.
I'm leaning towards the 7008 mainly because of the XT32 since I've had my share with MCACC... I feel the constant need to tweak something everytime I turn the system on...
My main concern is it sound signature... I won't be able to listen to any Marantz, but I've always heard that they are very good for music but only "OK" for movies (and the Pio is exactly the opposite).

Since it will be mainly used to watch movies, I'm concerned that I may be switching priorities here...
Will I get a "lazy"/laid back sound?
I like an articulated sound, with definition, clarity and punchiness, but not very dry/thin...
WHICH is also another concern since I've read that regarding bass management, the receiver is a bit.......... on the quiet side... I have an SVS SB2000.

Why is it that I get the impression that there is a big fuss around the 7009, but as far as the general opinion goes, the 7008 is seen as a "......... good AV"...
Disregarding Dolby Atmos they look pretty much the same to me! Am I wrong?

Facing some tough choices here :/

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Haven't been here in a while, but I have to share this. Just got my 7008 back from Magnolia service and was "entertained" by their assessment of the issue with the amp. I had sent it in for the dreaded blinking red light over-temp issue. I even put a fan on it to be sure and took it out of the system entirely and it would still shut down due to "over temp."

Here is my current system setup:

SR7008
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Klipsch Cornwalls (mains)
Klipsch S-10 side surrounds
Cerwin Vega D8 (rear)
Klipsch KSF-C5 center
Klipsch KSW-200(2)

On the repair slip Marantz said the re-soldered some connections on the main board, bench tested for an extended period of time, installed latest firmware, and reset to factory setting.

They said they looked at the on-board error log and determined the issues were due to; too low impedance, too many speakers, excessive volume. I laughed out loud and quizzed the salesperson there as to what Marantz might be talking about. He said I may not be driving the amp hard enough, thereby over working it. Really. I said if that is the case, that is UNACCEPTABLE for a $2000 amp. His reply was that is why they make $4000 and $8000 amps. Seriously dude?

I told him the same setup was run by my old Yamaha RX-V663 for 6 years with ZERO issues, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that the 7008 would fail to function under those conditions. I really doubt that 2 S-10s, 2 D-8s and the center channel would present a challenging load for the 7008. I am still laughing at the absurdity of it all.

Does anyone here have any clue as to what Marantz is getting on about? If the 7008 fails again, there is going to be a very sincere conversation with Marantz.

I am not mad in the least, but am I not understanding what they are talking about? Would like to get everyone's opinion.
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Thanks for your answer!

Yes, sound quality is important to me.
I'm leaning towards the 7008 mainly because of the XT32 since I've had my share with MCACC... I feel the constant need to tweak something everytime I turn the system on...
My main concern is it sound signature... I won't be able to listen to any Marantz, but I've always heard that they are very good for music but only "OK" for movies (and the Pio is exactly the opposite).

Since it will be mainly used to watch movies, I'm concerned that I may be switching priorities here...
Will I get a "lazy"/laid back sound?
I like an articulated sound, with definition, clarity and punchiness, but not very dry/thin...
WHICH is also another concern since I've read that regarding bass management, the receiver is a bit.......... on the quiet side... I have an SVS SB2000.

Why is it that I get the impression that there is a big fuss around the 7009, but as far as the general opinion goes, the 7008 is seen as a "......... good AV"...
Disregarding Dolby Atmos they look pretty much the same to me! Am I wrong?

Facing some tough choices here :/
With Audyssey, there are two curves available. One is called Flat/Music the other is Reference/Movie.

Flat/Music describes what the target is meant to be in your room - flat across the frequency spectrum. Some people like this more for music playback.

Reference/Movie is different, in that there is a two step roll off. A slight roll-off from 4kHz - 10 kHz (-2dB @ 10 kHz), and the 2nd roll-off from 10 kHz - 20 kHz (-6dB @ 20 kHz).

Try both and see which one you like in your room.

Audyssey also has Dynamic EQ so that at below reference volume listening, there is a fuller sound in the bass and high frequencies. I believe it modifies the target curve based on user volume setting. I have this ON all the time.

In conjunction with Dynamic EQ, Audyssey has Dynamic Volume. This compresses the soundtrack so that it appears louder based on Day/Evening/Midnight selections. The purpose of this is to allow a lower volume listening level, but still be able to hear most of what's in the soundtrack. I set this based on actual content being played and time of day. This is useful during commercials breaks which tend to sound 'hotter' than the main show.

Most find the bass after Audyssey calibration to be 'dry' or a bit soft. A channel adjustment of +3dB to +6dB to the bass is not unusual setting to have.

No one can really tell you the difference in sound signatures between the Pioneer and Marantz. It's really a personal choice on which one prefers. If unsure, purchase from a reputable vendor who have generous return policies - like AVS forum sponsor jdsmoothie. Give him a call.

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Thank you for your input!

I wish I lived a little bit nearer... I live in Portugal eheheh I'll have to buy from an European seller.

Do you get a punchy, powerful and rich sound from your Marantz?
Judging by your informed opinion I'm assuming you have one...
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I wish I lived a little bit nearer... I live in Portugal eheheh I'll have to buy from an European seller. ..
Try Amazon.es, which I think is the nearest vendor to where you reside. Believe Amazon has a good returns policy.

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...Do you get a punchy, powerful and rich sound from your Marantz?
Judging by your informed opinion I'm assuming you have one...
I have a Marantz SR7009 and with Audyssey XT32 engaged the sound reproduction is satisfying.

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Indeed they have! I'm a regular customer problem is the Marantz is a little pricey... Wether it's the spanish, english, italian, french or deutsch Amazon...
If I decide to buy elsewhere I'll talk to the vendor and ask about the return policy

Hmmmm... See? You're only getting a "satisfying" sound from the Marantz flagship receiver?
Wherever I look, whatever I read, I always get the impression that these receivers just aren't............ very exciting....... Lol sorry if I misunderstood you...

Or could it be that the damn thing is so good that it does what's expected of it and it's just not worth talking too much about it (?)

I keep getting mixed signals... Lol
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....... Lol sorry if I misunderstood you...

Or could it be that the damn thing is so good that it does what's expected of it and it's just not worth talking too much about it (?) ...
Not a salesman so like to keep expectations on the low end. If things work out better than expected, then it's a bonus.

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So.. I get a new SR7008 to replace my Denonx3000 and often when I turn off the sources in all zones for the eve the next morning everything seems fine, I can use the app to control the receiver and everything appears good.. cept no sound.. I can change sources no prob... then magically everything works after flipping around.. unplugging the power cable usually solves. Never had this issue with denon.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Indeed they have! I'm a regular customer problem is the Marantz is a little pricey... Wether it's the spanish, english, italian, french or deutsch Amazon...
If I decide to buy elsewhere I'll talk to the vendor and ask about the return policy

Hmmmm... See? You're only getting a "satisfying" sound from the Marantz flagship receiver?
Wherever I look, whatever I read, I always get the impression that these receivers just aren't............ very exciting....... Lol sorry if I misunderstood you...

Or could it be that the damn thing is so good that it does what's expected of it and it's just not worth talking too much about it (?)

I keep getting mixed signals... Lol


I think if you read the reviews of the 7008, you won't get mixed signals. And I have yet to hear from a user on this thread who wasn't pleased with the sound experience for movies, which seemed to be a particular concern. The main advantage of the 7009 is Atmos as you said, otherwise there is no significant difference (other than cost ) between the two models.

As Steve said, the biggest advantage with Marantz rather than Pioneer (which looks like an excellent receiver) would be with respect to XT-32, and many people believe that's a game changer. Once you have had an advanced room correction system, it's unlikely that you would want to be without one. What you actually hear is much less the combination of receiver and speakers than it is the combination of speakers and room. And XT-32 helps a lot with that relationship.

Incidentally, you mentioned dialogue issues. You can improve that now by simply pulling your center speaker forward so that it overhangs the edge of your shelf by an inch or so. Lovely room, by the way.

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ty JD.. I'll give it a shot later .. seems odd.. I use optical cable and the iphone app to control almost always
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