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post #4741 of 4753 Old 04-20-2017, 05:08 AM
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Sorry for this already discussed issue in many forums. After the Audyssey calibration it sets front L&R speakers as Large & crossover will be at 40hz. I think this is common on many receivers when they calibrate with Audyssey mic. As read on Audyssey discussions, it was mentioned that it's the receiver which sets the fronts as 'Large' & Crossover @40Hz & not by Audyssey. Then, Audyssey (as well many experts) strongly suggests to change to 'Small' & crossover @ 80hz. Who is correct here? Is the Receiver (by setting as Large)? or Audyssey who recommends to change them to 'Small'? My take is when it's an auto calibration, settings should be left as it is. But, many suggest let the Sub handle LF & why fronts should take the burden! Finally one has to stick with whichever sounds good in that room. But, I'm curious on this Audyssey's recommendation (may be THX too) set them as Small & Equipment/receiver selecting them as 'Large'.
I highly appreciate your thoughts on this, since I'm trying to fine tune my system.
Personal preference prevails on this; however, the vast majority should set the FL/FR speakers (regardless of actual size) to SMALL/80Hz which accomplishes three goals: (1) Passes the FL/FR lower frequencies to the sub which is generally far more capable of handling them then are subs built into speakers, and (2) adds more headroom to the AVR in which to power the speakers, and (3) ensures the sub fires when playing a stereo 2.0 signal (otherwise it would only fire when playing a stereo 2.1 signal).
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^Agreed!!! My mains are more than capable of digging down, but I have them set to 80 hz, as my sub is even more capable. Let each speaker do what it's made for and enjoy.

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Thanks to you all. You have been so helping.

I set the front LRs as small & CO @80hz. Trying out with placement of Sub - Velo CHT-15Q. When set the speakers to small, somehow I feel 2ch stereo music feels thin/light. My 7008 driving Totem Forest floors. I may have to try with placement of floors.

One more issue I came across. When I select the Tuner, it selects & no out put from the speakers. I checked FM antenna/jack etc & all are fine. On display it shows Tuner/analog in/ Playing etc, but absolutely no sound..no hiss..etc..dead silent. So far it was playing without any issues. When I select other sources, all play properly. I tried resetting, but no use. What could be the problem? Any help please? Is the problem with tuner cord or have to check any other setting. Tnks
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Thanks to you all. You have been so helping.

I set the front LRs as small & CO @80hz. Trying out with placement of Sub - Velo CHT-15Q. When set the speakers to small, somehow I feel 2ch stereo music feels thin/light. My 7008 driving Totem Forest floors. I may have to try with placement of floors.

One more issue I came across. When I select the Tuner, it selects & no out put from the speakers. I checked FM antenna/jack etc & all are fine. On display it shows Tuner/analog in/ Playing etc, but absolutely no sound..no hiss..etc..dead silent. So far it was playing without any issues. When I select other sources, all play properly. I tried resetting, but no use. What could be the problem? Any help please? Is the problem with tuner cord or have to check any other setting. Tnks
As far as your music sounding "light" in 2 channel, it's probably because no audio is being outputted to the subwoofer. You would want to set your LFE feature to "LFE+Main" under the Bass menu which should either be in manual speaker configuration or under the Audio sub menu. This is because 2 channel audio is not inherently mixed with a subwoofer track and your receiver won't know to output anything to the sub unless that feature is selected. Your speakers aren't outputting anything lower than 80Hz, thereby giving you that lighter sound.
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As far as your music sounding "light" in 2 channel, it's probably because no audio is being outputted to the subwoofer. You would want to set your LFE feature to "LFE+Main" under the Bass menu which should either be in manual speaker configuration or under the Audio sub menu. This is because 2 channel audio is not inherently mixed with a subwoofer track and your receiver won't know to output anything to the sub unless that feature is selected. Your speakers aren't outputting anything lower than 80Hz, thereby giving you that lighter sound.
The LFE+MAIN setting only works when the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE. As suggested, the OP set them to SMALL/80hz which means the sub is getting the FL/FR audio below 80Hz.
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Thanks to you all. You have been so helping.

I set the front LRs as small & CO @80hz. Trying out with placement of Sub - Velo CHT-15Q. When set the speakers to small, somehow I feel 2ch stereo music feels thin/light. My 7008 driving Totem Forest floors. I may have to try with placement of floors.

One more issue I came across. When I select the Tuner, it selects & no out put from the speakers. I checked FM antenna/jack etc & all are fine. On display it shows Tuner/analog in/ Playing etc, but absolutely no sound..no hiss..etc..dead silent. So far it was playing without any issues. When I select other sources, all play properly. I tried resetting, but no use. What could be the problem? Any help please? Is the problem with tuner cord or have to check any other setting. Tnks
If you're not at least hearing static, there may be a problem with your AM/FM Tuner especially if at some point it was actually working. Ensure you have tried multiple FM stations as HD broadcasts generally only work if within close proximity as opposed to standard FM broadcasts. You could try doing a "soft reset" by powering off the AVR and unplugging the power cable for 10 minutes. If still no joy, a microprocessor reset is in order (p. 241 Owner's manual).

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As far as your music sounding "light" in 2 channel, it's probably because no audio is being outputted to the subwoofer. You would want to set your LFE feature to "LFE+Main" under the Bass menu which should either be in manual speaker configuration or under the Audio sub menu. This is because 2 channel audio is not inherently mixed with a subwoofer track and your receiver won't know to output anything to the sub unless that feature is selected. Your speakers aren't outputting anything lower than 80Hz, thereby giving you that lighter sound.
The LFE+MAIN setting only works when the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE. As suggested, the OP set them to SMALL/80hz which means the sub is getting the FL/FR audio below 80Hz.
That's odd, considering that feature has less to do with crossover and more to do with whether signal is sent to the subwoofer when there is no dedicated sub channel from the source (i.e. music source). On my SR7009 it lets me change that setting even with the fronts set to small with crossover adjusted.

It doesn't mention anything in the owners manual about that limitation, but here is a quote that may be helpful:

?If ?Front? and ?Center? for ?Speaker Con g.? (vpage 193) are set to ?Large?, and ?Subwoofer Mode? is set to ?LFE?, no sound may be output from the subwoofers, depending on the input signal or selected sound mode. Select ?LFE+Main? if you want the bass signals to always be produced from the subwoofer.
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That's odd, considering that feature has less to do with crossover and more to do with whether signal is sent to the subwoofer when there is no dedicated sub channel from the source (i.e. music source). On my SR7009 it lets me change that setting even with the fronts set to small with crossover adjusted.

It doesn't mention anything in the owners manual about that limitation, but here is a quote that may be helpful:

?If ?Front? and ?Center? for ?Speaker Con g.? (vpage 193) are set to ?Large?, and ?Subwoofer Mode? is set to ?LFE?, no sound may be output from the subwoofers, depending on the input signal or selected sound mode. Select ?LFE+Main? if you want the bass signals to always be produced from the subwoofer.

Perhaps this will help you to better understand how these "subwoofer" settings work ....

LFE - The subwoofer will play the LFE signal (ie. 0.1 of DD/DTS X.1) + those frequencies below the speaker crossovers set to SMALL

LFE + MAIN - (same as above); however, if the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE, the subwoofer also receives the same frequencies below the FL/FR crossover as are the FL/FR speakers receiving (aka "double bass"; a setting which is generally frowned upon as it results in bloated bass).
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That's odd, considering that feature has less to do with crossover and more to do with whether signal is sent to the subwoofer when there is no dedicated sub channel from the source (i.e. music source). On my SR7009 it lets me change that setting even with the fronts set to small with crossover adjusted.

It doesn't mention anything in the owners manual about that limitation, but here is a quote that may be helpful:

?If ?Front? and ?Center? for ?Speaker Con g.? (vpage 193) are set to ?Large?, and ?Subwoofer Mode? is set to ?LFE?, no sound may be output from the subwoofers, depending on the input signal or selected sound mode. Select ?LFE+Main? if you want the bass signals to always be produced from the subwoofer.

Perhaps this will help you to better understand how these "subwoofer" settings work ....

LFE - The subwoofer will play the LFE signal (ie. 0.1 of DD/DTS X.1) + those frequencies below the speaker crossovers set to SMALL

LFE + MAIN - (same as above); however, if the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE, the subwoofer also receives the same frequencies below the FL/FR crossover as are the FL/FR speakers receiving (aka "double bass"; a setting which is generally frowned upon as it results in bloated bass).
I understand all of that as correct. However, what about a source that doesn't have a X.1 signal? (the OP specifically mentions 2 channel music as sounding "light.")

Even when speakers are set to small with 80Hz crossover, when the Bass mode is set only to "LFE" it's my understanding Marantz receivers (including mine) won't output any signal to the sub. It needs to be set on LFE+Main to create a signal to be sent to the sub when there is no actual channel of audio for it.

I think we are agreeing, my only point was that if he is listening to music without the sub firing, that could be the reason the music sounds "light" to him. If he is used to the way his system sounds with sub then he may want to try that setting and see if he likes it better.

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I understand all of that as correct. However, what about a source that doesn't have a X.1 signal? (the OP specifically mentions 2 channel music as sounding "light.")

Even when speakers are set to small with 80Hz crossover, when the Bass mode is set only to "LFE" it's my understanding Marantz receivers (including mine) won't output any signal to the sub. It needs to be set on LFE+Main to create a signal to be sent to the sub when there is no actual channel of audio for it.

I think we are agreeing, my only point was that if he is listening to music without the sub firing, that could be the reason the music sounds "light" to him. If he is used to the way his system sounds with sub then he may want to try that setting and see if he likes it better.
That is incorrect. When a speaker is set to SMALL, the frequencies below the speakers crossover are always sent to the sub (except when using either the DIRECT or PURE DIRECT surround modes in which case bass management is ignored and nothing would go to the sub if there is no LFE signal). I've highlighted that portion of my previous post to be more clear.
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@jdsmoothie is absolutely correct on how this works. Also, even though I have very capable mains, I have mine set to small. The only way to get true double bass is to add a second subwoofer and have phasing calibrated correctly. I have my crossovers for my whole system set at 80hz - yes even those powerful mains - and I let my sub do what it was built for - bass reproduction. Mains should only be allowed to dig down if they are in a 2 channel setup configured for music only. The 7008 has Sub HT EQ, so it can easily calibrate two subs (matching subs, preferably) to perform in concert.

On another note, I've now had my Static IP going for a while now and have had no issues with connection on any of my devices. This is the best fix to the network issues many have previously reported. My 7008 is still performing like a champ! Watched the Shallows on UHD last night, and the 7.1 Dolby True HD (Atmos track, but getting the encoded alternate mix since no Atmos support on 7008) and boy was it intense! If you haven't seen it - watch it and be prepared for one intense ride! My current room would be cumbersome to add ceiling speakers, so I believe I will be adding some front heights and upgrading sometime this year to either a Marantz pre/pro or the newest 70xx.

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I'm planning to buy Auralic Aries Mini and was wondering if I can get it connected to my Marantz 6008. I have a Naim Integrated amp powering my Dyn Focus towers. If yes then how can I do it as I don't have a DAC or NAS and Auralic recommends powering aries via DAC. I will be using it to stream music via Tidal.

Open to other suggestions on how I can get Tidal streaming? Any other streamer that can be connected to Naim or Marantz?
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Hi Mates, sorry, was away on official travel.
As already discussed, yes when you set the FR & FL to large, Sub will not play. I have to opt LFE+Main. When set to Small, Sub will be selected irrespective of LFE or LFE+Main. CO 80hz.
I tried briefly with setting to Small & with LFE as well LFE+Main. Somehow didn't like LFE+Main set up. Felt, bass was bit boomy. Need to tweak little more.

My current source is old Pioneer BDP-LX52 thru' HDMI Chord-super shield cable. Excellent in multi channel (HT) format, even audio quality is highly appreciable. Planning to add Oppo105 or the latest one 203. I feel, all this lean sounding kind (in 2CH audio) might be due to, I used to listen to music fronts R&L driven by Odessy Stratos stereo power amp, by taking pre-outs of 7008. I sold Odessy & now fronts are driven by 7008.

I have a doubt, when you take a digital out/HDMI from source & fed to receiver, does the sound quality vary from source to source? If it doesn't much then I will have to experiment with good DAC, using the current source as transport. When I try I will leave my feedback. Some travel is scheduled again, unable to play with my Toys
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