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post #1171 of 3227 Old 01-14-2014, 06:56 PM
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I just received my SR7008 from UPS in great condition. I haven't set it up yet but just wanted to thank jdsmoothie for all his help and getting the best deal I could find online or in any store. If any of you are on the fence about purchasing a Marantz or anything that AVS sales give JD a call. They have other deals that he can only tell you on the phone.

So now for the fun of setting this beast up. I'm sure I'll be back in here with so question! biggrin.gif
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Thanks Tommaazz and Smoothie.......I am going to read the article in the link you provided about biam/biwairing. If it doesn't provide any benefit then no use in fooling with it.
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My mistake....the article is not on Biamp/Biwiring its about letting the receiver set up the settings via mic. Not questioning your expertise but I can't help but wonder why the receiver gives the biamp/biwaire option if it is of no advantage and uses two extra channels...........odd. It has been a very long time since I purchased my last reciever and I am out of the loop I guess you could say.
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Biamp and biwiring features are included in many AVRs because they're cheap to provide and there are enough people who believe the mythologies. Passive biamping made some sense when the only amps available were tube amps with limited bandwidth and power. Active biamping, where each speaker driver has its own dedicated amp and external electronic crossovers are used between them, also has some advantages.

Biwiring has never made any sense at all except to snake-oil cable marketers -- like those who advertise "aligned copper crystals" and "cryogenic treatments". Some specialized cables made explicitly for biwiring actually distort the sound. The high-frequency wires are very thin, resulting in a high resistance. That limits the current available to the high frequency drivers in the speaker.
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Thanks for your reply Seldon. Just to be certain - I found this on Klipsch's website which explains exactly what I planned on doing:

Many of today’s 7.1 surround receivers give users the option , if they are only using two surround channels and therefore are in in a 5.1 speaker configuration, to assign the unused 6th and 7th channel amps to the front left and right channels to combine with those amps and have the ability to bi-wire the front left/right speakers with, now, two amps to use for each speaker.

Is this what you are referring to? So hooking it up like this will not provide any advantage? I apologise for my confusion.
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Correct. No additional benefit. The feature has been there for years to appease those with "bi-amp" capable speakers however, requires a separate amp and "active" crossovers to be of any real benefit.
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Just a quick note on Bi-amping. An AVR usually has only one power supply for the amp stage. My opinion is that bi-amping is useless as it will draw the same amount of current from the power supply as it would with a single speaker connection. Mono-block amps are the only case where this may show any improvement, and then it may not be noticeable. Coming from an electronics background, I cannot see where this is effective in an AVR. Just my
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I had inquired a few posts back whether anyone knew how to widen the front soundstage in PLIIx Movie Mode by wrapping the front speakers in a little. I don't see a control for it, and the, so far, lack of response may indicate that no else is quite sure either. I am starting to suspect that, with Audyssey engaged, there is no way to do it in Movie Mode--only in Music. That would actually make sense as Audyssey is trying to replicate the theater experience, and consequently, is very particular about what signals go where. if that is so, I am sure that I will get used to it as it is. If not, I would still like to experiment a little.

Here is some encouragement for anyone who is on the fence about these receivers. I have an SR7002 and upgraded to a 7008. I bought it through AVS and J.D. was very nice and helpful. The first thing that struck me about the receiver was the upscaling. I had a DVDO Duo doing the upscaling on my older receiver as it only scaled to 480p. That was, I believe, a second generation ABT chip. I have read that the current one is a fourth generation chip, although still 2-3 years old. The upscaling is definitely better than with the Duo. That may not matter depending on your source material and other components, such as a recent Oppo or equivalent Blue Ray player. But it will if you plan to watch satellite or cable without some additional upscaling device. As stated in the bench tests, the upscaling on the receiver is excellent.

I ran Audyssey and I am very impressed with XT-32. Again, the reviews on that have all been very positive, and I was not disappointed. I spent a lot of time reading the Audyssey thread and asking some semi-intelligent questions, so I would know something about good default settings and what things I could tweak after running Audyssey. I will probably be tweaking for a while, but I am very impressed with the receiver and encourage anyone looking at any of these models to spend some time on the Audyssey site.
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mthomas47,

As you've found, the controls available when using Dolby Prologic in Music mode are much more extensive than what are provided by ProLogic's Movie mode. So use Music mode if you want to adjust how the matrixed sounds from a two-channel soundtrack are distributed among the center and surround speakers. The use of ProLogic (or Neo) is a user preference, not something mandated by anyone, although many two-channel soundtracks do include audio information matrixed in them so that matrix decoders can separate out center and surround channels.

This has nothing to do with Audyssey. Audyssey just tries to make your individual speakers sound their best. It doesn't care what signals you send to them.

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Thanks! I knew after I posted that I had misspoken when I said Audyssey, just as people do when they say that Audyssey is setting their speaker size or crossover points. I guess it must be a mental shorthand to say it that way since so many of us seem to do it. I wonder though, if the logic behind the misstatement is not still valid? PLIIx doesn't want us tampering too much with the optimized surround experience. Still, though, if it isn't associated with the Audyssey settings...? I do think I remember seeing that some settings aren't available when Audyssey is engaged, but I may be mistaken.
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Thanks! I knew after I posted that I had misspoken when I said Audyssey, just as people do when they say that Audyssey is setting their speaker size or crossover points. I guess it must be a mental shorthand to say it that way since so many of us seem to do it. I wonder though, if the logic behind the misstatement is not still valid? PLIIx doesn't want us tampering too much with the optimized surround experience.
There certainly are some two-channel movie soundtracks which have been intentionally mixed for decoding by ProLogic. (Look for Dolby Surround being mentioned at the end of their credits). For them, use the Movie setting if you want to hear them exactly as the audio mixer intended.
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Still, though, if it isn't associated with the Audyssey settings...? I do think I remember seeing that some settings aren't available when Audyssey is engaged, but I may be mistaken.
There are some surround-sound settings which actually are related to Audyssey. For example, some receivers provide Audyssey's DSX processing option for generating audio for front height and front wide speakers. Most people seem to prefer DTS Neo:X processing, though.

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I have a Denon 4311CI and enjoy it mostly.

That said, is it worth the upgrade to go from 4311CI to 7008 ?
Well "worth" is subjective... but still interested in other folks opinions.

I do both movies and music.
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Thank you gentlemen for your help.
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This sounds dumb, but I have been playing Pandora and I can't figure out how to get back to my TV. eek.gif There is nothing in the owners manual, that I see, and no obvious way from the screen or remote. HELP!
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This sounds dumb, but I have been playing Pandora and I can't figure out how to get back to my TV. eek.gif There is nothing in the owners manual, that I see, and no obvious way from the screen or remote. HELP!


Well, I felt like a monkey trying to operate a computer, but I finally decided to try the Cable/Satellite button up near the top and it worked, so please disregard the cry for help. Could they make the written or onscreen directions for this any more obscure?
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The source buttons on the remote can be used to select each of the sources that you have assigned to those names. You can turn on the AVR and select a specific source by simply pressing a source button on the remote.

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Does anyone know what DAC used in 7008?

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Does anyone know what DAC used in 7008?

I've checked Marantz' specs pages, downloaded and read through the 286 page pdf manual, searched on reviews online, and even gone back to 2012 models to see if they identify the part. They don't. Not that I can find.

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I've checked Marantz' specs pages, downloaded and read through the 286 page pdf manual, searched on reviews online, and even gone back to 2012 models to see if they identify the part. They don't. Not that I can find.

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Hi guys,

I am a newbie here and would like to seek some of your advice. I am planning to setup a new system for my place and I intend to buy B&w cm8 with cmc( or cmc2) with ceiling speakers at the back. The system is 65% for music and 35% for movie

I am thinking to buy marantz 5008 but need advice here if I should get 6008 instead. I don't have plan to upgrade in the near future and am a bit concerned if 5008 can release the speakers full potential.

Thank you very much!
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There will be no noticeable power difference between the two models. Select the 6008 only if there is a feature on the 6008 that you want that is not also on the 5008.

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I ordered a new SR7008 from a local shop at a reasonably good price a few days ago. It should be here in about a week. And since I also needed a new CD player to replace an old California Audio Labs DX-1 that is starting to have issues reading CDs I also ordered a new Marantz CD6005.

They will hopefully last me a long time (but I'm not sure they will outlive the DX-1 and Rotel RA935BX). biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the reply.  I have the same feeling too and inclined to choose 5008 over 6008.  

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I have a setup question for the 7008 remote. I use a 5007 Blu Ray player for both movies and CDs. I use the blu-ray HDMI input on the receiver for movies, and the 2 channel analog audio input for cds in direct mode. I want to be able to control the 5007 with the receiver remote while set to the CD input just as I would when the Blu Ray input is selected (so I can pause, switch tracks, etc with the 7008 receiver remote).

When I try to use Marantz blu ray codes on the cd button, it won't accept them. If I use the Marantz cd codes, none of them work on the 5007 blu ray player.

Grrrr.... Am I stuck using two remotes, or going to a universal? Or is there a trick here...

If anyone else is interested in this setup, I have the answer. After contacting Marantz, I found that the remote codes will not work in this combination. However, you can use the learning function on the 7008 remote and teach it the basic functions for the CD source from the UD5007 remote (stop, play, pause, track forware/reverse, etc). Page 220 of the 7008 manual explains how to do it. Very simple to do and works great. Back down to one remote for me. smile.gif
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Hi, I have a 7008 on which I ran Audyssey several days ago. At the time, I selected Audyssey Reference. But I would like to experiment with Audyssey Flat for music. Is there an easy way to change the Audyssey setting? I'm probably just overlooking it, but I'm not sure how to change the setting without rerunning Audyssey. Thanks for the help.
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Hi, I have a 7008 on which I ran Audyssey several days ago. At the time, I selected Audyssey Reference. But I would like to experiment with Audyssey Flat for music. Is there an easy way to change the Audyssey setting? I'm probably just overlooking it, but I'm not sure how to change the setting without rerunning Audyssey. Thanks for the help.

Click on Setup, then Audio, then Audyssey, then MultEQ XT32. Now you can change it to Flat by arrowing over.
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I run Audyssey Flat exclusively in my home and almost always set it up that way in my customers homes.

Run it for a few days and try to switch back to the "Audyssey Curve". Any deviation from a flat frequency response is distortion. Thankfully XT32 does a good job of achieving that goal...

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Thanks! I don't know how I missed it, but I did. I couldn't agree more with the comment on Reference versus Flat. I felt that the higher frequencies were being constrained in Reference, which was why I wanted to switch to Flat. Once I switched to Flat, I could hear the difference immediately, eek.gif and I won't be going back.
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