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First home theater build. Small room 10x14. I was at best buy they had both of these for the same price $249. Seem to have same features. I have herd denon is good but the 1513 is old and I think discontinued. The pioneer is a 2013 model. Has any one had good or bad luck with either. There was also a 250.00 Yamaha but I'm leaning tward pioneer or denon thanks.
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The 1513 was just released last year (summer 2012) and has been discontinued due to the release of the current E200 that replaces it. However, you would be better served with the next higher up model, the Denon 1613 as it uses Audyssey MultEQ that can auto EQ your speakers and sub which would be an improvement over the 1513 which has no such feature. It also features networking as well so you would be able to control the AVR from anywhere in your house (or back deck) that has access to your home's WiFi network.

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The new pioneer has the auto calibration thingy mmqpstd (lol what ever its called ) and a little more power then the 1513. It also has the same 3d 4k pass thru.
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If you live near a Fry's Electronics they have the Denon e300 for $199 thru Thursday. It has Audyssey MultEQ room calibration, networking, Pandora streaming, Airplay all for $50 less than the 1513. That would be a much better buy.

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Dang. Good deal. But ive never herd of frys
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where are you located?

Some Best Buys have the Denon 1713 on clearance for $240, I found one by me that does.

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Columbia or Florence sc. I was in best buy yesterday I didn't see any deals like that
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So no one has used the new pioneer 523?
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The Florence SC store has the following receivers on clearance according to the location site

1. Yamaha RX-V473. $199. Has networking and Airplay, 5.1, internet radio, Pandora, YPAO room calibration, 4 HDMI
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Yamaha+-+575W+5.1-Ch.+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4566104.p?id=1218487065632&skuId=4566104&strId=826&strClr=true

2. Yamaha RX-V673, $299. Has network, Airplay, analog to HDMI video upscaling. 7.1, multiroom audio, 6 HDMI, internet radio, Pandora, YPAO room calibration
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Yamaha+-+875W+7.2-Ch.+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4566061.p?id=1218487070128&skuId=4566061&strId=826&strClr=true

3. Denon 1613, $279, Airplay, 5 HDMI, 5.1, Audyssey MutEQ room calibration, Pandora streaming, internet radio
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Denon+-+600W+5.1-Ch.+3D+Pass+Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4791729.p?id=1218529593955&skuId=4791729&strId=826&strClr=true

4. Pioneer VSX-822, $189. 5.1, Airplay, Pandora streaming, 6 HDMI, Internet radio, MCACC room calibration,
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+700W+5.1-Ch.+3D+Pass-Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4789445.p?id=1218527811471&skuId=4789445&strId=826&strClr=true

I would take any of those over the Denon 1513 which has no networking or room calibration. You've got an hour before the store closes.

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1. Pioneer VSX-822
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+700W+5.1-Ch.+3D+Pass-Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4789445.p?id=1218527811471&skuId=4789445&strId=264&strClr=true

2. Yamaha RX-v473
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Yamaha+-+575W+5.1-Ch.+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4566104.p?id=1218487065632&skuId=4566104&strId=264&strClr=true

3. Denon AVR 1613
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Denon+-+600W+5.1-Ch.+3D+Pass+Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4791729.p?id=1218529593955&skuId=4791729&strId=264&strClr=true

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Dang I was at Florence one yesterday. I didn't realize they had clearance ones. Its an hour drive for me to either.
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Give them a call first and return if there is stock available as an hour's drive is fairly close. smile.gif
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Thats super close for those kinds of savings. Those are some great deals.
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The 1513 was just released last year (summer 2012) and has been discontinued due to the release of the current E200 that replaces it. However, you would be better served with the next higher up model, the Denon 1613 as it uses Audyssey MultEQ that can auto EQ your speakers and sub which would be an improvement over the 1513 which has no such feature. It also features networking as well so you would be able to control the AVR from anywhere in your house (or back deck) that has access to your home's WiFi network.
I thought only XT eqd the subs. Are you sure? Im certain you know better than I do.

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I still haven't herd which one is better denon or pioneer. Or I guess yahama
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I still haven't herd which one is better denon or pioneer. Or I guess yahama
Opinions will vary. If youre looking for a definitive answer you wont get one because there isnt one. It would be like asking which is better Ford or Chevy.

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Ford....lol
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Well let me rephrase. Any major issus against pioneer or denon. Like "hey don't buy insignia there crap". Onkyo and Yamaha I have never delt with.
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Many would say Onkyo has the worst quality of the bunch. I have used Yamaha for many years and think they have the best quality and features. Many think Denon has the best room correction software. Pioneer was bad for a while but seem to be getting better.
Just my overall impressions.

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Out of all those receivers I listed I'd say the Yamaha RX-V673 is the best one. It has the largest feature set, especially if you have older devices that use component or composite video like a Wii that needs to be upscaled to HDMI.

I have a Denon 1613 and am very happy with that. It has no AM radio but internet radio is even better. Good choice if everything you have is HDMI. Plus I like the Audyssey room correction.

The Pioneer 822 and Yamaha 473 are also good, especially for the low price.

Pioneer only has a 1 year warranty while the Yamaha and Denon have 2 year warranties.

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So how does pionners mcacc calibration compare to denons audyssey. Do they both use mics? Herd of any problems ?
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Audyssey, MCACC and YPAO all use a calibration microphone. People have varying opinions on which one is better.

Audyssey MultEQ will EQ the subwoofer as well as the satellite speakers. The other two don't EQ the sub but they will set channel volume level, distance and a crossover point.

MCACC is more customizable and can be tweaked more by the end user that Audyssey.

YPAO is probably the most basic of the three. At least it is on their entry level models. It uses one set crossover for all speakers whereas Audyssey and MCACC can have separate crossovers for the front, center and surround speakers. If your speakers are all decent bookshelf size or larger this isn't a big deal if they can be crossed over at 80hz and the subwoofer can handle the lower frequencies. But if you have large towers or bookshelf speakers up front and small satellites for surrounds you probably want a calibration system with multiple crossover points. The Yamaha will set the crossover based on the smallest speaker.

Your Infinity hts-10 surround package is comprised of 4 satellite speakers and a center. The Yamaha would be fine with those as the speakers are all the same size.

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