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I was just setting up my new SC-77 (yay) and I happened to notice that the MCACC microphone for the SC-79 is slightly different. Whereas the SC-77 and SC-1523 have what looks to be an identical microphone with a small opening at the top, the SC-79 looks like it has a "pinhole" pattern around the whole microphone.

Any idea why the SC-79 would have a different microphone?
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I believe the SC-79 has a more accurate distance capability hence a different microphone.
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Re: my posts on the preceeding page - No video output via HDMI.

I figured this out this morning and am greatly relieved that I don't have to take this to a repair shop. I reread the Troubleshooting section of the manual again for the umpteenth time and it finally registered that I had missed this:

When the device is connected using an HDMI OUT terminal, press the remote control's HDMI OUT button to check the HDMI OUT settings.

Sure enough when I did this the HDMI OUT was set to OFF. I had a hunch that there was a setting somewhere that was incorrectly applied. I don't know how the HDMI OUT got turned off, but it was. Hope this helps some other Pioneer and home theater newbie! biggrin.gif
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My zone 2 works fine with Pandora but I'm trying to output the audio from cable to zone 2 and I get no sound. The Zone 2 speakers are connected the front wide speaker output. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Zone 2 won't do HDMI audio, or digital audio for that matter, which is a shame. Run some old school RCA cables from the cable box to the AVR and it should work.
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I am actually checking out a SC-79 right now. Very impressed so far. Sports and Movies are both lifelike in my room. smile.gif

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I am actually checking out a SC-79 right now. Very impressed so far. Sports and Movies are both lifelike in my room. smile.gif

I am interested in your take on music as I played a couple of cuts at a clients house and I liked what I heard .
The demo material I used was Brothers In Arms , Metallica (Black Album) , Carly Simon (Best Of), Little Feat (Waiting For Columbus) and Vivaldi (The Four Seasons.)
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I will whip out the Norah Jones CD and report back. biggrin.gif

Actually from what music I have heard I was also impressed with its detail and placement. Spot on.

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Pick up my Sc75 yesterday first thing I notice is humming seems from the transformer when first turn it on.Any SC75 owner notice it or it is normal.And other thing I smell something but I dont know if its from component inside or just its the smell of new receiver.Running 10 hrs straight yesterday and will check it today if the smells gone.
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Pick up my Sc75 yesterday first thing I notice is humming seems from the transformer when first turn it on.Any SC75 owner notice it or it is normal.And other thing I smell something but I dont know if its from component inside or just its the smell of new receiver.Running 10 hrs straight yesterday and will check it today if the smells gone.

Not normal take it back.
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Thanks oztech. This morning I turn it on and still can hear hum as you know if my face is near on top of the receiver. And let it play for an hour and still can smell as it was yesterday.Decided to return to bb for replacement.And wait 7 days to pick up. Hope I get a good one...will update later..
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Sounds like a bad run of 75s. Someone else just posted on the forum with the same issue. His was eventually replaced with a 77 because that model had no hum.

I had a 75 and there was no problem with the hum.
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Sounds like a bad run of 75s. Someone else just posted on the forum with the same issue. His was eventually replaced with a 77 because that model had no hum.

I had a 75 and there was no problem with the hum.

I tried a friend of mine's elite vsx 60 and listened the same "hummm". It's not only a 75 flaw..., or maybe it is related to the AC power... Are you using some kind of energy estabilization?
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No. Plugged into a surge protector and then into the wall.
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I just ordered a SC-75 instead of going with an Onkyo NR-929.. Hoping I made the right choice and I don't get this hum thing.
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I really like the sound of my Onkyo 809, it was a little bit better than Pio Elite vsx60 that I tried, but they are not in the same category. But I can't recommend a Onkyo hardware due the HDMI failures..., mine last only 2 years and There's nothing I can do to repair it. (They don't sell new HDMI boards like Denon, only authorized service can order it and the price is the same of a brand new receiver).

For my research, iif you want a receiver for the next 3+ years, t's time for a Yamaha or Pioneer. The Only thing that put pioneer behind is that are a lot of comments about "brand new" defective units. (There are a lot o returns/ replace here)
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I really like the sound of my Onkyo 809, it was a little bit better than Pio Elite vsx60 that I tried, but they are not in the same category. But I can't recommend a Onkyo hardware due the HDMI failures..., mine last only 2 years and There's nothing I can do to repair it. (They don't sell new HDMI boards like Denon, only authorized service can order it and the price is the same of a brand new receiver).

For my research, iif you want a receiver for the next 3+ years, t's time for a Yamaha or Pioneer. The Only thing that put pioneer behind is that are a lot of comments about "brand new" defective units. (There are a lot o returns/ replace here)

That is something I have not run into with their AVR's( we only use the SC Elites) that we have installed can you post a link with these units failing.
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Check the "hummm" issue here or reviews in Amazon site of Sc75 and 1523 (same machine)
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Check the "hummm" issue here or reviews in Amazon site of Sc75 and 1523 (same machine)
I did 2 people here and a couple on Amazon with other issues (not humming) but nothing widespread after the many units sold , I hate that anyone would have a problem with a new piece of gear and occasionally it happens there is not a brand out there that is perfect if so the other threads would be empty we would all purchase that piece and then it would get boring around here because no one would need help or have a complaint.
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I just purchase (ordered) a new SC-79 since when I stumbled on BB's 50% off retail sale while in the store. My current SC-37 will most likely get moved and will retire the 55. Looks like a lot to read here with this unit! Hoping all is well when it arrive at the store on Tuesday.

Might try a 9.1 setup possibly now.
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The SC-79 I have has been flawless. I will be posting my Review on it very soon. Just make sure you update the firmware (very easy to do).
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hey, joe...
back to trying Pioneer again? wink.gif look forward to seeing your review.

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hey, joe...
back to trying Pioneer again? wink.gif look forward to seeing your review.

I just like Reviewing what's "out there" but I will say I am very impressed with the SC-79. And that is coming from a McIntosh MX151 owner! eek.gif

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I just like Reviewing what's "out there" but I will say I am very impressed with the SC-79. And that is coming from a McIntosh MX151 owner! eek.gif

I really want to read your review.
Have you tryed a sc75/77? In data sheets I only see HDBaseT and THX as a main differences. Do you believe 79 could sound better?

I'm going to USA in May 12 (I'm from Brazil) and I'm really like to purchase a Elite receiver on these 50% off sale / Deal, but I don't know if the 79 worth the aditional $500 dollars (from 75).
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I really want to read your review.
Have you tryed a sc75/77? In data sheets I only see HDBaseT and THX as a main differences. Do you believe 79 could sound better?

I'm going to USA in May 12 (I'm from Brazil) and I'm really like to purchase a Elite receiver on these 50% off sale / Deal, but I don't know if the 79 worth the aditional $500 dollars (from 75).

Working on it as I post this. Should be done in a couple days... smile.gif

The differences on paper aren't really that much. Obviously the 79 will have more of a punch. They have to find a way to justify the extra 1K msrp somewhere though. I would love to listen to a 77 sometime. Maybe tomorrow I will find one when I am out and check it out. If it is anywhere close to the 79 then it's a winner...

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Now that would be interesting if they are indeed the same receivers. Who knows if the internals are different quality or not.

Feature set appears to be the same. Hmmm. Oh well. Mine is setup already.

Edit: 1yr warranty is the only diff I can see from their website.


Just like to add that I reached out to Pioneer directly and a representative confirmed that the SC-1523-K and SC-75 are identical in build quality and feature set. The only difference between these two specific models (as previously noted) are:
1. Elite badging
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3. 2 yr vs 1 yr warranty

He also informed me that Pioneer is releasing it's 2014 line of AV receivers in 3 waves. The first wave was already announced on their website and includes several less expensive Pioneer (VSX-824-K, VSX-1024-K, VSX-1124-K) and Elite (VSX-44, VSX-80) models with class A/B amps. The mid-range models shlould be announced in the next month or two, and top of line models late summer. The 2013 line (which included the SC-1223-K, SC-1323-K and SC-1523-K) are the last Pioneer branded receivers that will offer Class D amps. Beginning with the 2014 line, only Elite branded receivers will feature class D amps to differentiate between the Pioneer vs. Elite lines. IMO - Pioneer realized they screwed up (and risked diminishing the Elite brand image) by marketing the same identical class D av receiver under both lines.

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If you only have one zone does it matter what setting the Hdzone is set to. The choices are Hdzone/main or main. I don't think I understand these settings clearly.
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risked diminishing the Elite brand image) by marketing the same identical class D av receiver under both lines.

+1

I've been a Pioneer owner & fan for many years, including the 1st Ice amp uber-flagship SC-09TX, 2 top model class A/B VSX flagships before that and also last year's top SC-68.

I never understood their decision for several years to have 2 identical models, one Elite & one non-Elite and one cheaper than the other. all that does is allow people to do the obvious wink.gif and lose profits as a company. I'm actually glad they are doing this. a company not making money is not good for long term health, despite the "pain" in might cause some potential buyers. it's an wise business decision not to "water" down one's own branding.

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The mid-range models should be announced in the next month or two, and top of line models late summer. The 2013 line (which included the SC-1223-K, SC-1323-K and SC-1523-K) are the last Pioneer branded receivers that will offer Class D amps. Beginning with the 2014 line, only Elite branded receivers will feature class D amps to differentiate between the Pioneer vs. Elite lines.

That seems like it would be better branding-wise, but I believe he's mistaken.

At minimum, the SC-1224 will be a Pioneer badged class D receiver. The Elite equivalent SC-81 adds RS-232 and 12v trigger, but otherwise has the same feature set. I haven't seen any mention of a 1524, so maybe all the 9 channel receivers are Elite only now. EDIT: I'm not seeing anything new about the SC-1224 for North America, so kbweaver's info looks correct. What I saw was likely just placeholder info.

For the non-US market, there is no Elite badge. They get the 7-channel 1224 and 2024, and the 9-channel LX58,LX78,and LX88.

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That seems like it would be better branding-wise, but I believe he's mistaken.

At minimum, the SC-1224 will be a Pioneer badged class D receiver. The Elite equivalent SC-81 adds RS-232 and 12v trigger, but otherwise has the same feature set. I haven't seen any mention of a 1524, so maybe all the 9 channel receivers are Elite only now.

For the non-US market, there is no Elite badge. They get the 7-channel 1224 and 2024, and the 9-channel LX58,LX78,and LX88.


Only time will tell what's speculation and what isn't, but I was told by someone that works for Pioneer the details shared in my earlier post - which were specific to the US market. I can't speak at all to what their plans are in the non US market. Pioneer recently announced the release of 5 new av receivers - 3 were Pioneer branded and 2 were Elite branded. All 5 are class A/B amp receivers. By the end of the summer, they will have released 5 additional Elite branded receivers, all with Class D amps. There will reportedly be an announcement in May, which I understand will be the next 2 Elite receivers and the remaining 3 (flagship models) at the end of the summer.

For 2014, the top of the Pioneer branded receiver will be the SC-1124-K (class A/B). If my intel is correct, there will not be an SC-1224-K, SC-1324-K or SC-1524-K.

If you want a 2014 model Pioneer receiver with a Class D amp, your options will consist exclusively of the 5 yet to announced Elite branded models. These new Class D models will be updated versions of their top 5 Elite branded models from the 2013 model year (SC-71, SC-73, SC-75, SC-77, SC-79).

It's unfortunate Pioneer has been so guarded with the details, I'm chomping on the bit to see specs on the SC-75's replacement.
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So just to double check with everyone else, no one gets the "DTS" display on the OSD when the BD player is obviously sending a different stream (like TrueHD)? It happens fairly often with me. Not a big deal I figure it's a display issue, because the codec is being decoded properly and I'm getting the full 5.1 glory (that's the max speakers I have).
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