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Foundation just arrived. That is one chintzy microphone. You would think for $6500 piece of gear that they could include a slightly better mic. Hell, even Anthem does with their receivers that cost a fraction of the price. Is it supposed to rattle at the tip? Seems like that would compromise the pickup.

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Foundation just arrived. That is one chintzy microphone. You would think for $6500 piece of gear that they could include a slightly better mic. Hell, even Anthem does with their receivers that cost a fraction of the price. Is it supposed to rattle at the tip? Seems like that would compromise the pickup.
Well, yes, it might, and is an issue that has been covered here and by Kal in Stereophile.

But, umm, congrats on getting your new Foundation anyway?
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I would highly recommend contacting Krell on this issue. My understanding is that the warranty is not transferable. I spoke to the guy on Audiogon about this issue and believes that is the policy as well. It is actually the reason I did not buy it (plus I didn't want to deal with the hassle of returning the one that already shipped.)

I spoke to another individual about a month back who was selling one and he said the same thing too.

UPDATE straight from the horse's mouth (I e-mailed Krell on the issue):

"If an end user (AKA: retail customer) trades in a unit that still has warranty coverage remaining to an authorized Krell dealer, that authorized Krell dealer can resell the unit with the remaining warranty intact. However if and end user purchases a unit that still has warranty remaining from another end user, the warranty is not transferable.

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Ok this is great info. That makes my decision for me. I knew that was in the warranty I saw on line but not mentioned in this way in the Foundation owners reference mentioned previously.
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Foundation just arrived. That is one chintzy microphone. You would think for $6500 piece of gear that they could include a slightly better mic. Hell, even Anthem does with their receivers that cost a fraction of the price. Is it supposed to rattle at the tip? Seems like that would compromise the pickup.
Yes the mic is a joke. I totally wrapped the end where the pickup is with black electric tape. Then slid it in my mic stand holder. This worked pretty well for me. I also put tape at the bottom of the holder where the wire comes through. Because the wire moves up and down through the tube. This stops the element from shaking if you pull the wire down firmly then put tape there.

I know shouldn't have to do that on a 6500 processor.

But wait until you get it set up and listen. You will be in awe.
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Ok this is great info. That makes my decision for me. I knew that was in the warranty I saw on line but not mentioned in this way in the Foundation owners reference mentioned previously.
No problem. Figured others might wonder too so I wanted to make sure everyone is clear on the situation.

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Yes the mic is a joke. I totally wrapped the end where the pickup is with black electric tape. Then slid it in my mic stand holder. This worked pretty well for me. I also put tape at the bottom of the holder where the wire comes through. Because the wire moves up and down through the tube. This stops the element from shaking if you pull the wire down firmly then put tape there.

I know shouldn't have to do that on a 6500 processor.

But wait until you get it set up and listen. You will be in awe.
Yeah, pretty crazy indeed. Has anyone tried purchasing a different mic to use with it?

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Yes I believe a couple people have. Didn't work. I believe Kal Rubinson even tried a few mics he had laying around.
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Yes I believe a couple people have. Didn't work. I believe Kal Rubinson even tried a few mics he had laying around.
You'd need to install the corresponding microphone calibration file. The Foundation comes with the file for the supplied mic.

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Hey Lee,

Were you able to do this? Still a mystery to me!

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Well, as it turns out, there was a bug. As I had mentioned, the "Analog/Preamp" mode should route the stereo signal directly to the volume control and bypass all processing circuitry. The "Analog/Stereo" mode digitizes the signal to allow crossover, etc. functions. This was NOT happening. I'm pleased to announce that Krell issued Software V1.23 today and this bug is corrected. I verified this in testing on my system after installing the update. You'll get to hear the Foundation in full analog preamp mode. Excellent!

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Yes the mic is a joke. I totally wrapped the end where the pickup is with black electric tape. Then slid it in my mic stand holder. This worked pretty well for me. I also put tape at the bottom of the holder where the wire comes through. Because the wire moves up and down through the tube. This stops the element from shaking if you pull the wire down firmly then put tape there.

I know shouldn't have to do that on a 6500 processor.

But wait until you get it set up and listen. You will be in awe.



I have seen the foundation at Krell's factory and it looks sweet. Sound wise, for movies only, how much of a step up is this from an anthem MRX AVR? ( or a top end pioneer elite )


$6500 is 6 times the price of my Anthem....does it sound that much better ? If so, in what ways is it superior? ( besides build quality )


I am using PBN Montana eps2's as my mains, with a matching set of surrounds and center. My amps are great as well: Wyred 4 Sound MC for the center and surrounds, and a 15 year old Krell FPB-300C for the towers. ( krell bought used for around $4000, ...a much needed discount )

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Well, as it turns out, there was a bug. As I had mentioned, the "Analog/Preamp" mode should route the stereo signal directly to the volume control and bypass all processing circuitry. The "Analog/Stereo" mode digitizes the signal to allow crossover, etc. functions. This was NOT happening. I'm pleased to announce that Krell issued Software V1.23 today and this bug is corrected. I verified this in testing on my system after installing the update. You'll get to hear the Foundation in full analog preamp mode. Excellent!

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Interesting. This is the second time this bug has come up. I noticed it once awhile ago. I reported it to Krell they had it fixed in an update I believe 3 days later.
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One failed attempt after another with the Foundation install today. My Emotiva XPA-1Ls came today as well. In the process of getting them hooked up, my XLR cable connector got stuck in the first one I tried. Now Emotiva is cross shipping me a replacement and I have ordered some new Mogami Gold cables since I don't trust the ones I have. The amps and Krell just sit there disconnected. So close, yet so far away.

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One failed attempt after another with the Foundation install today. My Emotiva XPA-1Ls came today as well. In the process of getting them hooked up, my XLR cable connector got stuck in the first one I tried. Now Emotiva is cross shipping me a replacement and I have ordered some new Mogami Gold cables since I don't trust the ones I have. The amps and Krell just sit there disconnected. So close, yet so far away.
Hang in there. The frustration will be (mostly) behind you soon. I had an Emotiva XP3 for my surrounds, and the XLR connector inputs didn't even have the locking tab that holds the cable into the jack. I sincerely hope the replacement works for you.

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Interesting. This is the second time this bug has come up. I noticed it once awhile ago. I reported it to Krell they had it fixed in an update I believe 3 days later.
So often it happens that software upgrades inadvertently cause another "new" issue. They'll get it sorted out, as they have done with so many issues before. All of these smaller companies (not Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha, etc.) have limited R&D budgets to deal with all the complexities of HDMI implementation, etc. That's why it takes a bit of patience to allow them to address customers' issues. The sound quality of this unit makes the process worthwhile.

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You'd need to install the corresponding microphone calibration file. The Foundation comes with the file for the supplied mic.
True but it goes beyond that. None of the mics I tried were functional with the Foundation.

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$6500 is 6 times the price of my Anthem....does it sound that much better ? If so, in what ways is it superior? ( besides build quality )
Put it this way. I had the Halcro SSP180 for a few years. The Halcro was more than double the price of the Foundation. The Foundation sounds every bit as good as the Halcro in 2ch, and infinitely close almost as good as the Halcro for multi-channel.

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You'd need to install the corresponding microphone calibration file. The Foundation comes with the file for the supplied mic.
This information comes as a surprise. Proper protocols should dictate that if there is a microphone calibration file in the Foundation it should be traceable to the microphone to which the calibration relates (eg mic serial number). As far as I know the black plastic thing that ships with the Foundation is generic without serial number.

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Ok this is great info. That makes my decision for me. I knew that was in the warranty I saw on line but not mentioned in this way in the Foundation owners reference mentioned previously.
Consumer protection lawyers would have a field day on that one should it need be tested. If it 'aint written in the warranty it 'aint in the warranty, period!

If true this twist in the Krell warranty is very similar to the Wilson Audio warranty, but at least Wilson spell it out exactly! Krell documentation leaves a lot to be desired.

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Consumer protection lawyers would have a field day on that one should it need be tested. If it 'aint written in the warranty it 'aint in the warranty, period!

If true this twist in the Krell warranty is very similar to the Wilson Audio warranty, but at least Wilson spell it out exactly! Krell documentation leaves a lot to be desired.
Yeah I read a Krell warranty from a couple years ago and it stated everything that he said. No warranty for used items unless bought used from an authorized dealer. Then you would get the remainder of the warranty from when first put into service. The new warranty doesn't say that. I wonder if Krell actually did change there policy and whoever at Krell didn't know. I would think like you that it needed to be in there.
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Well, as it turns out, there was a bug. As I had mentioned, the "Analog/Preamp" mode should route the stereo signal directly to the volume control and bypass all processing circuitry. The "Analog/Stereo" mode digitizes the signal to allow crossover, etc. functions. This was NOT happening. I'm pleased to announce that Krell issued Software V1.23 today and this bug is corrected. I verified this in testing on my system after installing the update. You'll get to hear the Foundation in full analog preamp mode. Excellent!

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Thanks Lee. I saw this last night and downloaded the new firm update immediately, so I'm on v1.23. Bill, the president, had explained Analog/Stereo to me as well a few days ago, and I was going to report back that he said exactly what you'd surmised in your earlier post, but am still waiting for Krell to get back to me on a few of the other issues I'd posted. He also mentioned that there was a bug on the Analog/Preamp setting which they were fixing.

That bug is interesting to find out about. I wonder if it had just appeared on 1.22 or was also part of 1.21? If that latter, I guess it's a testament to how transparent modern DSPs are, because I already thought that setting was pure analog and sounded great! Anyhoo, it's fixed now and I'll see if I notice a difference by memory.

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Yeah I read a Krell warranty from a couple years ago and it stated everything that he said. No warranty for used items unless bought used from an authorized dealer. Then you would get the remainder of the warranty from when first put into service. The new warranty doesn't say that. I wonder if Krell actually did change there policy and whoever at Krell didn't know. I would think like you that it needed to be in there.
I am wondering that too, because there is zero language about the warranty being non-transferrable or only applying to the original purchaser.
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Got the Foundation setup in stereo mode for now. My jaw hit the floor when I heard the clear, strong bass that my Sonus Faber's began delivering. I thought it was using the subs at first. I am truly amazed at the smoothness, clarity, and punchiness of the Krell. It is a very assured device and coupled to my new Class A amps truly delivers something beautiful. The switch from the Yamaha processor is quite unbelievable really. The Yamaha sounds cheap, bright, and very edgy in comparison. Consider me sold. Well done Krell.
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Got the Foundation setup in stereo mode for now. My jaw hit the floor when I heard the clear, strong bass that my Sonus Faber's began delivering. I thought it was using the subs at first. I am truly amazed at the smoothness, clarity, and punchiness of the Krell. It is a very assured device and coupled to my new Class A amps truly delivers something beautiful. The switch from the Yamaha processor is quite unbelievable really. The Yamaha sounds cheap, bright, and very edgy in comparison. Consider me sold. Well done Krell.
I can't say we didn't tell you so. Wait until you watch a movie. You won't believe it. Makes you not worry about all that money you spent as much huh.

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I can't say we didn't tell you so.
I'm a believer now. Can't wait to hear some multi-channel audio. Work on that phase of the project Friday.

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Well folks I have a couple surprises coming my way.

I am in heaven right now. Things have gotten better financially around here. Lets just say I am a guinea pig around here on one of them. Hehe.
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..The Yamaha sounds cheap, bright, and very edgy in comparison. Consider me sold....
None of those supermarket brands can compete with the Krell pedigree....just unfortunate that the Krell owners reference can't compete with those of most of the supermarket brands.

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None of those supermarket brands can compete with the Krell pedigree....just unfortunate that the Krell owners reference can't compete with those of most of the supermarket brands.
I really don't take issue with the manual. Honestly, I hardly ever look at them and while the Krell has a steeper learning curve than most thanks to the lack of OSD it is still very manageable. I enjoy fiddling around anyway to learn the ins/outs of my toys.

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We'll my new unit is sporadically losing sound from multiple inputs. It loses the sound whether on HDMI or on Coax input. When it happens nothing will return the sound short of powering the foundation off and back on. I have removed my DirecTv hdmi connection from the Fiundation to rule out the static/ grounding issue but the problem still occurs. Getting frustrated again as this is a new unit mfg in May 2014. Anyone else experiencing this?


This appears similar to old issues where the unit would spontaneously power off and right back on. Only now it just loses audio and video but does not power off. On v1.23 and was also having this issue on v1.22. May go back to v1.20 and see if that makes any difference.

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We'll my new unit is sporadically losing sound from multiple inputs. It loses the sound whether on HDMI or on Coax input. When it happens nothing will return the sound short of powering the foundation off and back on. I have removed my DirecTv hdmi connection from the Fiundation to rule out the static/ grounding issue but the problem still occurs. Getting frustrated again as this is a new unit mfg in May 2014. Anyone else experiencing this?


This appears similar to old issues where the unit would spontaneously power off and right back on. Only now it just loses audio and video but does not power off. On v1.23 and was also having this issue on v1.22. May go back to v1.20 and see if that makes any difference.
I have not had any issues on v1.23 or 22.
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Alright, got all 7.2 channels setup, ran ARES speaker setup, and then EQ setup. Let me just say the EQ it set was beyond terrible. Shockingly so. So I reset the unit and ran only the speaker setup and left the EQ at stock. Initial impression in multichannel is one of ambivalence. I'm not blown away like I was with 2 channel. I am pretty disappointed and even more so in the ARES system. Any pointers someone can give me before I pull the plug? I love the 2 channel sound, but i'm not dropping almost $7k just for music when I rarely listen to music in that room. The surround sound doesn't seem any different than what the Yamaha provided and is further limited by the room equalization failing.

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Alright, got all 7.2 channels setup, ran ARES speaker setup, and then EQ setup. Let me just say the EQ it set was beyond terrible. Shockingly so. So I reset the unit and ran only the speaker setup and left the EQ at stock. Initial impression in multichannel is one of ambivalence. I'm not blown away like I was with 2 channel. I am pretty disappointed and even more so in the ARES system. Any pointers someone can give me before I pull the plug? I love the 2 channel sound, but i'm not dropping almost $7k just for music when I rarely listen to music in that room. The surround sound doesn't seem any different than what the Yamaha provided and is further limited by the room equalization failing.
Did you run the EQ full range? At full range it does sound terrible. I run EQ at below 125 only.
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