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MV_Cinema 08-06-2013 11:55 AM

With all the respect for the administrators and users, i don't mean to open repetitive threads about products already talked, but, in my opinion the KRELL FOUNDATION + KRELL S-1500 have all the ingredients to become classified as the new Death Star of Home Theater.
It's finally time for the Denon AVP-A1HD + POA-A1HD to come out of the King chair.
Of course, this is based in more than one opinion around the globe.

Here the owners and future owners can discuss this set and share with all the fans their experience and joy.
Enjoy...

rhale64L7 08-06-2013 01:21 PM

I have one on order and can't wait to get it. Should be getting tracking number in next couple days.
Haven't heard it but have read so much about it I couldn't wait.

rhale64L7 08-06-2013 01:31 PM

People dont seem to be very interested. Due to one thing or another. I am actually happy about this. People wont take a chance. A Krell for that price must be junk. Some people think it is a rebadged Emotiva. Even though it is built in there Connecticut manufacturing facility.
It has intelligent hdmi which from every review I have read works flawlessly.
It uses the same dacs as the oppo 105.and a whole bunch more going for it.
Again cant wait.

MV_Cinema 08-06-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

People dont seem to be very interested. Due to one thing or another. I am actually happy about this. People wont take a chance. A Krell for that price must be junk. Some people think it is a rebadged Emotiva. Even though it is built in there Connecticut manufacturing facility.
It has intelligent hdmi which from every review I have read works flawlessly.
It uses the same dacs as the oppo 105.and a whole bunch more going for it.
Again cant wait.

I also can't wait to get my hands on one....
Rebadged Emotiva? No way, this is a Pure Krell, it'ts the first time i hear that to be honnest.

This Krell set will shake my room and will take it to Nirvana level for sure...

rhale64L7 08-06-2013 02:38 PM

Yeah a couple avsers addino being one said he believes that it may be a rebadged Emotiva.
Sure it does have the cirrus logic chipset from 2007ish in it. But it is their, cirrus logics latest and greatest. And contrary to what one person saying, it is capable of full 5.1 channel dsd. At least the dsp is.
You have to download the pdf. And it also is not discontinued. Only two versions of it are. It comes in multiple versions of the same dsp. The Cary cinema 12 uses the same dsp I believe. Again it is an older dsp but still good. It is however no Ti aureus. But it doesn't seem to need to be.

rhale64L7 08-06-2013 04:55 PM

Sorry double post

MV_Cinema 08-07-2013 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Yeah a couple avsers addino being one said he believes that it may be a rebadged Emotiva.
Sure it does have the cirrus logic chipset from 2007ish in it. But it is their, cirrus logics latest and greatest. And contrary to what one person saying, it is capable of full 5.1 channel dsd. At least the dsp is.
You have to download the pdf. And it also is not discontinued. Only two versions of it are. It comes in multiple versions of the same dsp. The Cary cinema 12 uses the same dsp I believe. Again it is an older dsp but still good. It is however no Ti aureus. But it doesn't seem to need to be.

Still could't confirm if the Foundation is a Emotiva rebadge, but when i have the confirmation i will post. But that should be only rumors of people that don't have anything else to do...

rhale64L7 08-07-2013 11:35 AM

If there is a pic of the interior of the Emo we could tell. There is a pic of the interior of the krell on the Heimkino website.

rhale64L7 08-07-2013 11:37 AM

There is just to many difference s between the two though. In my opinion

MV_Cinema 08-07-2013 12:38 PM

Like i said and it's confirmed with the dealer, it's not a rebadge, krell is krell.
I am really interested in the Foundation.
This afternoon i also read a review of something that might be a nice surprise...the Yamaha CX-A5000 + MX-A5000.
I don't know exactly if we can compare it to the Krell or Denon AVP + POA because it's a $6000 set, but looks like a very rich set.

rhale64L7 08-07-2013 02:13 PM

Yeah I was reading about that set also. It peaked my interest. A Yamaha brochure when I was 16 is what got me started in this addictive hobby we love so much. I fell in love at first sight.

MV_Cinema 08-07-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Yeah I was reading about that set also. It peaked my interest. A Yamaha brochure when I was 16 is what got me started in this addictive hobby we love so much. I fell in love at first sight.

Take a look at this set in Gold and if you have the same taste as i do you will love it, makes it very rich.
On their website you can choose the color at the end of the artcle.

But let's continue to discuss the Krell...

Stereojeff 08-07-2013 02:45 PM

MV-Cinema:

I had not expected a Yamaha link in a Krell thread.

Jeff

MV_Cinema 08-07-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stereojeff View Post

MV-Cinema:

I had not expected a Yamaha link in a Krell thread.

Jeff

Already corrected, you are right. My apologies

MV_Cinema 08-08-2013 01:30 AM

The 1200U has an output that says Digital Output. The Foundation i don't think it does...
Is this the same as the RF-AC3 Output on my Susano that allows me to play Dolby Digital AC-3 Laserdiscs?
Or i will need an external demulator with the Krell?

rhale64L7 08-08-2013 06:18 AM

I would have no idea on that

MV_Cinema 08-08-2013 07:55 AM

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I would have no idea on that

Already talked to Krell about it and it decodes, because AC3 its the old designation for Dolby Digital

ss9001 08-08-2013 08:29 AM

^^
true but what makes the RF-AC3 special is the RF demodulator part so the signal could be decoded from the laserdisc. older Pioneer flagships (49txi, 59txi, susano) and the old Denon 5803/5805 receivers were the only ones with the special input.

I highly doubt you could use that input on the Krell for your AC3 lasers. if all it was was standard Dolby Digital, there would have been no need for it in the 1st place, could have just used std coax/optical connection on the LD player to send the signal digitally.

no matter which modern prepro you go with, you'll need an ext demodulator. or you can look at replacing the AC3 LD's with Blu-ray wink.gif I had about a dozen of AC3 LD's & IIRC, I think all have been released on BD now.

and they're still out there:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2054436.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xrf+ac3+demodulator&_nkw=rf+ac3+demodulator&_sacat=0&_from=R40

MV_Cinema 08-08-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
true but what makes the RF-AC3 special is the RF demodulator part so the signal could be decoded from the laserdisc. older Pioneer flagships (49txi, 59txi, susano) and the old Denon 5803/5805 receivers were the only ones with the special input.

I highly doubt you could use that input on the Krell for your AC3 lasers. if all it was was standard Dolby Digital, there would have been no need for it in the 1st place, could have just used std coax/optical connection on the LD player to send the signal digitally.

no matter which modern prepro you go with, you'll need an ext demodulator. or you can look at replacing the AC3 LD's with Blu-ray wink.gif I had about a dozen of AC3 LD's & IIRC, I think all have been released on BD now.

and they're still out there:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2054436.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xrf+ac3+demodulator&_nkw=rf+ac3+demodulator&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I could always keep my Pioneer SC-LX90 for the AC3 only and use also the Krell Foundation. But use the Susano only for AC3 looks to me exagerated....

rhale64L7 08-13-2013 11:45 AM

My Foundation is on its way finally. It will be here Thursday. I will report what I think of it asap

danielo 08-13-2013 03:38 PM

Just as a side note : the internal name for the denon avp+poa was : "The Imperial Death Star" Home Cinema system a small but important detail for fans smile.gif

If you like this krell fine, but i can't for the life of me see how they even 'match' one of the goals of denon was to release a highend pre/pro and amp with all the formats, features and options known to men in 2007 that normally where only available on avr's. In the area of features and flexible design the old avp stomps all over the krell as far as i can tell. Now like the bryston or other minimalistic pre/pro it might sound better (i have no idea) but the compare is weird. In many ways the 707 was probably direct compare in what they tried todo.

I really hope you finally pick one brand, get it and be happy but you seem a restless soul ....

Daniel.

danielo 08-13-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

My Foundation is on its way finally. It will be here Thursday. I will report what I think of it asap

Nice please don't take my comments as negative, i think the market for simpler pre/pro's makes much more sense today and would not be shocked that the foundation finds a better market than the 707. Please report back when you get the unit hands on time from avs posters is always preferred to some of the reviewers out there (not all).

Daniel.

rhale64L7 08-13-2013 06:35 PM

I will post my findings. I have waited 1 1/2 months for this thing. I dont mind what you said at all. Everyone has a right to there opinion.

But I dont see why if Bryston can do it why cant Krell. I surely do not expect the Foundation to sound as good as the Bryston but if it comes close for a lot less money I will be thrilled. And it has room eq that can be tailored which to me is awesome.

I spent a lot of money on crossover components. I voiced the speakers in my room which is well treated. And I do not want eq making my speakers sound just like everybody elses speakers. Just my opinion of it.

I think it could sound as good as the Classe. But who knows.

jima4a 08-13-2013 07:06 PM

My list of possible Prepros: MX-151, SP3, Foundation, 8801 and CX-A5000. First two are likely out of my reach. Last two in reach but...? Middle, very interested to see how this shakes out.

rhale64L7 08-13-2013 08:52 PM

Mx151,Bryston out of reach. The lower end Mc and Foundation are at the very stretch. 8801 and the yamaha were very enticing but i stretched it. We will see how it goes. I will definitely post here probably Friday, after I put it through its paces. I dont want to jump to conclusions because of the brand or anything. Or because its new. I want to really assess how it performs.

danielo 08-13-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I will post my findings. I have waited 1 1/2 months for this thing. I dont mind what you said at all. Everyone has a right to there opinion.

But I dont see why if Bryston can do it why cant Krell. I surely do not expect the Foundation to sound as good as the Bryston but if it comes close for a lot less money I will be thrilled. And it has room eq that can be tailored which to me is awesome.

I spent a lot of money on crossover components. I voiced the speakers in my room which is well treated. And I do not want eq making my speakers sound just like everybody elses speakers. Just my opinion of it.

I think it could sound as good as the Classe. But who knows.

yes i excluded how it sounds in my comments, i mostly reacted to the compare to the avp and its design goals (that resulted in the at the time funny starwars name). Given the limited feature set and used hardware (just the amount of it) i don't see why this unit can't compete with some of the other pre/pro's listed here both have very basic digital parts and so much of the budget could have been spend on area's that effect sound quality.

Daniel.

Chu Gai 08-14-2013 03:39 AM

Why doesn't the Krell Foundation have an FCC 15 Part B statement in the manual and the requisite markings on the case?

rhale64L7 08-14-2013 05:05 AM

What is that for Chu Gai. What would the exclusion of that statement mean.

Chu Gai 08-14-2013 06:20 AM

Devices that contain components that operate at high frequencies, such as DAC's, processors, switching power supplies, and the like, generate EMI/RFI. This has the potential to adversely affect other electronic equipment. They are considered unintentional radiators of electronic emissions.

Within the US, the FCC requires that such products be tested to ensure they comply with whatever limits are applicable.after all, it would be a rather unfortunate matter if a device interfered with a medical device. This testing can be performed by the company itself or by a number of outside testing facilities. At that point, there is placed the FCC logo somewhere on the device in addition to very specific boilerplate text indicating FCC compliance.

While the FCC cannot police every single device sold in this country, it does upon occasion snag a big one. Google up FCC and Behinger and read how that company's willful actions resulted in a $1,000,000 fine.

Now, while I can't state with any certainty that this is a rebadged Emotiva product, I do suspect that the innards are being developed and made elsewhere with maybe Krell just putting it into a case. Further, to state the product is made in the USA when some parts have origins in other countries, violates California's laws. Perhaps at such time as someone posts some pics of the internals, a better understanding of whether this is a unique product or is akin to Ford/Mercury type rebadging will make itself apparent.

rhale64L7 08-14-2013 07:40 AM

Well there is pictures of the inside. It is a very nice side view shot on Heimkino Magazine's website. I think there is an overhead shot somewhere also. I will pull the top off mine when I get it and take some photos if it doesn't hinder warranty service. Does anybody know if it will?


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