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I am new to this forum! I used to sell HT at Best Buy, and during my time there I purchased 2 Def Tech Pro Cinema 1000's for my L and R channels, A Pro Center 1000 for the center channel, I had 2 Bose cubes for the rears, and got a good deal on a Sony 12'' standalone subwoofer. All of this is driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-21txh as the receiver.

I am now further in my career and have a home, and am interested in upgrading our HT set up slowly. Here is my dilemma...

Do I purchase a new Pioneer Elite receiver - Either the SC-61,63 or 71, or Floor-Standing Def Tech Towers for the Land R channels? I am considering the Def Tech 8020's with the built in subs.

My current receiver is working well, as are the speakers...but I am looking to slowly rebuild my set up overtime. My living room is decently sized and the HT is used for both movies and music.

What are your thoughts?

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I am new to this forum! I used to sell HT at Best Buy, and during my time there I purchased 2 Def Tech Pro Cinema 1000's for my L and R channels, A Pro Center 1000 for the center channel, I had 2 Bose cubes for the rears, and got a good deal on a Sony 12'' standalone subwoofer. All of this is driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-21txh as the receiver.

I am now further in my career and have a home, and am interested in upgrading our HT set up slowly. Here is my dilemma...

Do I purchase a new Pioneer Elite receiver - Either the SC-61,63 or 71, or Floor-Standing Def Tech Towers for the Land R channels? I am considering the Def Tech 8020's with the built in subs.

My current receiver is working well, as are the speakers...but I am looking to slowly rebuild my set up overtime. My living room is decently sized and the HT is used for both movies and music.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

RJM

The weakest link right now in your sound chain is the sub. I don't know which model of Sony sub you have, but it's a sony. So, upgrade your subwoofer. You may not require changing/upgrading the rest of your gear. Your max budget must go into a quality sub, which will go a long long long way in your HT setup.

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Probably 800-$1000...but I wouldn't drop that all on a sub.

I figured the time would come for a good sub eventually.

Would the Def Tech subs in the tower speakers be a good complement to the Sony?

Is it even worth stepping up from a VSX-21txh to an SC-61/63/65/72?
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Hello-

I am new to this forum! I used to sell HT at Best Buy, and during my time there I purchased 2 Def Tech Pro Cinema 1000's for my L and R channels, A Pro Center 1000 for the center channel, I had 2 Bose cubes for the rears, and got a good deal on a Sony 12'' standalone subwoofer. All of this is driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-21txh as the receiver.

I am now further in my career and have a home, and am interested in upgrading our HT set up slowly. Here is my dilemma...

Do I purchase a new Pioneer Elite receiver - Either the SC-61,63 or 71, or Floor-Standing Def Tech Towers for the Land R channels? I am considering the Def Tech 8020's with the built in subs.

My current receiver is working well, as are the speakers...but I am looking to slowly rebuild my set up overtime. My living room is decently sized and the HT is used for both movies and music.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

RJM

RJM,

Welcome to AVS smile.gif. I would suggest you go with the Def Tech 8020s and then use the 1000s for the surrounds replacing the Bose cubes. That way you will have a full compliment of Def Tech speakers. As suggested a new sub would be a good idea as well. But that could be done later as the 8020s have the built in subs. Another thought is to update your center to the 8040HD which will match up real well with the 8020s. Having a quality center that matchs up well with your left and right front speakers is always a good idea. Good luck smile.gif!

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Would the Def Tech subs in the tower speakers be a good complement to the Sony?

For movies ...... NO
For music ..... Yes but there are a lot better alternatives at this price point.

But if your purpose is more movies and less music, I'd still reckon upgrading your sub. Rest is your own choice.

On the AVR.......You have to decide what you actually want in a receiver. Newer models have various bells and whistles. I go for plain music/movies performance only. But that's just me. Your preference would be a lot different.

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For movies ...... NO
For music ..... Yes but there are a lot better alternatives at this price point.

But if your purpose is more movies and less music, I'd still reckon upgrading your sub. Rest is your own choice.

On the AVR.......You have to decide what you actually want in a receiver. Newer models have various bells and whistles. I go for plain music/movies performance only. But that's just me. Your preference would be a lot different.

Thanks for the input!

What are some of the alternatives at the price point?

When I demo'ed the 8020's, they sounded similar to the Pro Cinema 1000's, just with more low end (which makes perfect sense).

With the sub turned on as the ProCinema 1000s played, difference was hard to hear. Does a good sub make a big difference besides in terms of pure power/output?
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Does a good sub make a big difference besides in terms of pure power/output?

A good sub is more than just powerful. There are other important traits also that go hand in hand. Things like how deep it digs i.e. 20Hz minimum and how loud, how clean it is i.e. free of any box resonances; all come into making your sound stage taller, wider, and bigger resulting into 3D sound.

Like I said before, you should invest in a good sub, preferably ID big boys (Rythmik, SVS, PSA, HSU). All have great offerings @ less than $1000 mark. Once you upgrade your sub, you may not want to upgrade the rest of your system. You already have matching front 3 speakers. Though you are running bose as surrounds, but surrounds do not get much dynamic content in 5.1 sound. And you may get away with not upgrading them.

SVS has great return policy. I think it's 45 days trial period after which you can return for a full refund. They have great subs @ under $1K. You can try one at home. Don't like it; send it back.

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Upgrade the sub. Get a pair of SVS PB1000s or an Outlet PC12+ ($1049 shipped) if available, or something similar from one of the other ID sellers. SVS customers service is the best though wink.gif

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How does the SVS SB1000 ($499) or the SVS PB1000 stack up against similar offerings from Definitive ProSub 1000, Klipsch or Polk?
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How does the SVS SB1000 ($499) or the SVS PB1000 stack up against similar offerings from Definitive ProSub 1000, Klipsch or Polk?

The others you mentioned are but mere shadows of the SVS subs. smile.gif

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Strike anything from Def Tech off your list that falls in the category of subwoofer. Klipsch does have some value subs e.g. RW-12D if you can find one on sale at $300 or less. But having said that, no match to ID big boys when it comes to performance.

How big is your room and what will your usage be?

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I'll pile on. You have an excellent receiver and competent speakers. The sub is the way to go. SVS or Hsu. If you have some basic woodworking tools, you can build your own sub that will be as good as an SVS or Hsu and cost quite a bit less.
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Probably 800-$1000...but I wouldn't drop that all on a sub.

I would drop it all on a sub, and more. Subs are one of those things that can absorb quite a bit of money and you still aren't into diminishing returns.
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I figured the time would come for a good sub eventually.

Actually, that time came some time ago! ;-)
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Would the Def Tech subs in the tower speakers be a good complement to the Sony?

If you have a good sub, tower speakers are only useful because they can be an economical substitute for speaker stands.

Ditto to other poster's reservations about Def Tech. I know they are big kowabunga at Best Buy, but in my book Best Buy is an appliance store that shamelessly sells Monster Cable and Bose.

Ditto the comments about DIY subwoofers. And I got to get off my butt with the two SI 15s that have been in the house for almost 3 months already...
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Is it even worth stepping up from a VSX-21txh to an SC-61/63/65/72?

I don't think so. How is MCACC working for you?
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I'm working on a new 15" sub myself at the moment. It should be finished this weekend. During the winter I'm going to build a second one. At that point I will have a pair of high quality 15" subs and that should handle the bass fairly competently. Here's the 32 lb. driver that's going into it. It is impossible to have too much sub. Some of the guys on this forum have 4 or 8 subs and many with 18" drivers and multi thousand watt amplifiers. Lucky for me, I don't listen that loud. A couple of 15's will be fine for me.

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