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I have been reading through the forums for the last couple months and have narrowed down my receiver search to Denon (was looking at Onkyo & Marantz). Although I currently own an Onkyo TX-SR304 as my main receiver (will be moving it into the garage), the HDMI issues with the newer models have made me leery of their products. As far as Marantz, I feel as if Denon makes the same quality of product at a cheaper price.

I am hoping to find a receiver that fits all my needs for under $500. I will be running a 5.1 system, and have 2 speakers in another room with a volume switch on the wall. From what I understand, is that to run the 2 separate speakers I would either need a 7.1 receiver or a 5.1 with a separate amp, right? I would like to run the separate speakers by themselves, but also have the ability to run them in conjunction with the 5.1 at times as well. I would like Audyssey MultEQ (minimum) in the receiver. The speakers will all be in-wall, other than the subwoofer, if it makes any difference. I need a minimum of 4 HDMI inputs as well. The living room is 15' x 11' with 8' ceilings. I tend to like my movies and music loud - 90-95dBA. The receiver will play music approximately 50%, TV 30%, and movies 20% of the time. I would love to be able to stream music to the receiver as well (Pandora/MP3). Hopefully I have covered all the required information, but if not, feel free to ask!

Some receivers I have picked out based on features -

Denon AVR-891
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR891/DENON-AVR-891-7.1-Channel-105W-A/V-1.4-3D-Ready-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1911
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1911/DENON-AVR-1911-7.1-Home-Theater-3D-Multi-Source/Multi-Zone-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1912
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1912/DENON-AVR-1912-7.1ch-Network-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/Airplay/1.html



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I have been reading through the forums for the last couple months and have narrowed down my receiver search to Denon (was looking at Onkyo & Marantz). Although I currently own an Onkyo TX-SR304 as my main receiver (will be moving it into the garage), the HDMI issues with the newer models have made me leery of their products. As far as Marantz, I feel as if Denon makes the same quality of product at a cheaper price.

I am hoping to find a receiver that fits all my needs for under $500. I will be running a 5.1 system, and have 2 speakers in another room with a volume switch on the wall. From what I understand, is that to run the 2 separate speakers I would either need a 7.1 receiver or a 5.1 with a separate amp, right? I would like to run the separate speakers by themselves, but also have the ability to run them in conjunction with the 5.1 at times as well. I would like Audyssey MultEQ (minimum) in the receiver. The speakers will all be in-wall, other than the subwoofer, if it makes any difference. I need a minimum of 4 HDMI inputs as well. The living room is 15' x 11' with 8' ceilings. I tend to like my movies and music loud - 90-95dBA. The receiver will play music approximately 50%, TV 30%, and movies 20% of the time. I would love to be able to stream music to the receiver as well (Pandora/MP3). Hopefully I have covered all the required information, but if not, feel free to ask!

Some receivers I have picked out based on features -

Denon AVR-891
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR891/DENON-AVR-891-7.1-Channel-105W-A/V-1.4-3D-Ready-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1911
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1911/DENON-AVR-1911-7.1-Home-Theater-3D-Multi-Source/Multi-Zone-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1912
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1912/DENON-AVR-1912-7.1ch-Network-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/Airplay/1.html



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The feature you are looking for the other room is called Zone 2 output. If you get a 7.1 AVR it will probably let you configure the main speakers as 5.1 and the two left over channels of amplification for zone 2. But here's a gotcha, a lot of AVRs will only route analog inputs to the Zone 2 speakers. Download and double check the user manuals before you jump!
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You can do better with a Denon 2113. New from Best Buy right now for $350.
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Of the three models listed (all of which use Audyssey MultEQ), only the 1912 is a networking model which will pass any of the on board sources (ie. internet radio, Tuner, Airplay, Pandora) to the Zone 2 speakers. Only those external sources connected with an analog cable (ie. in addition to HDMI for the main zone) will pass audio to Zone 2. As long as your speakers are 8-ohm and relatively efficient (ie. 87db+) you should be able to reach the volume levels you desire. Note also that listening at 95db for more than 4 hours (OSHA standards) at a time can cause hearing damage.

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You can do better with a Denon 2113. New from Best Buy right now for $350.

This would be a much better choice as it not only includes the next higher version of Audyssey MultEQ XT, but also would come with a 3 year warranty and includes Zone 2 pre-outs should you decide to expand to 7.1 in the main zone at a later date. The same Zone 2 analog limitation would still apply.

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You can do better with a Denon 2113. New from Best Buy right now for $350.
I'm showing it at $649 on their website........Can you link me?

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Of the three models listed (all of which use Audyssey MultEQ), only the 1912 is a networking model which will pass any of the on board sources (ie. internet radio, Tuner, Airplay, Pandora) to the Zone 2 speakers. Only those external sources connected with an analog cable (ie. in addition to HDMI for the main zone) will pass audio to Zone 2. As long as your speakers are 8-ohm and relatively efficient (ie. 87db+) you should be able to reach the volume levels you desire. Note also that listening at 95db for more than 4 hours (OSHA standards) at a time can cause hearing damage.

I'm not completely narrowed down to just the 3 I have listed, I am open to suggestions. The only thing I would use Zone 2 for would be music (MPS/Pandora/Radio). I also understand the OSHA ratings (I'm an acoustical field tech) and only listen at that volume for short periods of time, just wanted to state that I do like loud volumes every once in a while. Although, I did listen to music at 140+dBA for long periods of time when I competed in car audio.

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I can't link you but if you have a smart phone, download the best buy app and click on all deals. It will ask you for your zip code. Then select In Store Clearance, then Audio, Home Audio. It will show which store has it and how much. My local store has it for $349.86.
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I can't link you but if you have a smart phone, download the best buy app and click on all deals. It will ask you for your zip code. Then select In Store Clearance, then Audio, Home Audio. It will show which store has it and how much. My local store has it for $349.86.

That is a hell of a price and I would be on my way to my local BB, but I'm not showing that online, nor on the app. I tried calling and was told that they didn't carry that model - just the AVR-E300

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Not all stores will have it. I am surprised that none of the stores near you have any. Did you search within 25 miles of your zip?

When you are on the screen where they list the deals, choose the option to show by price low-to-high. It will give you 10 items per page so make sure at the bottom of the page you click on display more
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I did a search on best buy's site within 25 miles of my area and this came up http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Denon+-+IN-Command+665W+7.1-Ch.+3D+Pass+Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/4838066.p?id=1218540195030&skuId=4838066&strId=579&strClr=true&ld=39.95171584188938&lg=-75.15808559954166&rd=25

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I have been reading through the forums for the last couple months and have narrowed down my receiver search to Denon (was looking at Onkyo & Marantz). Although I currently own an Onkyo TX-SR304 as my main receiver (will be moving it into the garage), the HDMI issues with the newer models have made me leery of their products. As far as Marantz, I feel as if Denon makes the same quality of product at a cheaper price.

I am hoping to find a receiver that fits all my needs for under $500. I will be running a 5.1 system, and have 2 speakers in another room with a volume switch on the wall. From what I understand, is that to run the 2 separate speakers I would either need a 7.1 receiver or a 5.1 with a separate amp, right? I would like to run the separate speakers by themselves, but also have the ability to run them in conjunction with the 5.1 at times as well. I would like Audyssey MultEQ (minimum) in the receiver. The speakers will all be in-wall, other than the subwoofer, if it makes any difference. I need a minimum of 4 HDMI inputs as well. The living room is 15' x 11' with 8' ceilings. I tend to like my movies and music loud - 90-95dBA. The receiver will play music approximately 50%, TV 30%, and movies 20% of the time. I would love to be able to stream music to the receiver as well (Pandora/MP3). Hopefully I have covered all the required information, but if not, feel free to ask!

Some receivers I have picked out based on features -

Denon AVR-891
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR891/DENON-AVR-891-7.1-Channel-105W-A/V-1.4-3D-Ready-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1911
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1911/DENON-AVR-1911-7.1-Home-Theater-3D-Multi-Source/Multi-Zone-Receiver/1.html

Denon AVR-1912
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1912/DENON-AVR-1912-7.1ch-Network-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/Airplay/1.html



The 891 and 1911 are currently unavailable on AC4Less website. You should probably get a networking model anyway as JD said.

My local Best Buy has one 2113 on sale for $319.

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Very odd, I searched within a 50 mile radius of my house and Longmont wasn't displayed. I actually work in Longmont!
As far as the 2313 though, it is missing the remote and is only rated as "Good — Minor scratches or dents and/or minor parts missing such as cords and cables, remote controls and manuals". I know my wife wouldn't go for anything that wasn't perfect. Other than a little more power, I don't see too much different.

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2313 has dual HDMI outputs, two optical and two digital coaxial inputs, variable zone 2 output, extra component video and some other features.
http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/productcomparision.aspx?pIDs=avr2313ci%28denonna%29|avr2113ci%28denonna%29&catID=avreceivers%28denonna%29

But if it is missing the remote and has scratches, get the 2113. It is a clearance item and not open box so should come with everything and look new.

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Just some friendly advice... there is absolutely no need to buy an AVR from Best Buy or any other retail store and pay full retail price. Its all the same dude. Except you get it for a fraction of the price online. For example, at your $500 budget, you'd max out at the AVR-X1000 or the Denon AVR-E400. You could step up to the Denon AVR-X2000 by buying online. < $500 online vs. $650+ "retail".

With that being said, people will respond with "make sure you buy from an authorized reseller or you won't have a warranty"... Ok, but keep in mind:

1) You can still find the X2000 online from an authorized reseller for around ~$500.
2) This is electronics. They don't "wear out" or "break". I've had AVRs for 17 yrs+ and have never had one break or fail in any way. My dad had the same Sony AVR (low end one) for 10 yrs and it still works 100% to this day, but he finally upgraded a month ago.
3) Lets say your AVR did break a year from now. Now what? Your $500 AVR is worth about ~$250 if you were to sell it a year from now (if it worked perfectly). If you wanted to collect on your warranty, you'd have to ship the AVR to New Jersey and pay shipping both ways. Assuming you don't have any discounts, you are probably going to pay $70 or so. Now you are at $180 and you'd be without an AVR for 4 to 6 weeks. It would make more sense to just throw it out and get a new one. Even more so if it broke 5 yrs from now.

Anyways, the point is, $500 AVRs are not worth repairing under warranty as stated above. Even unauthorized resellers are going to cover DOA swaps. If it works when you get it, assuming you don't short it out (which the Denon warranty wouldn't cover anyways), it'll work pretty much forever.

My advice would be different if you were going for a higher end model, but at the $500 range, I wouldn't really concern yourself with the warranty and just go for the lowest price you can find.

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Just some friendly advice... there is absolutely no need to buy an AVR from Best Buy or any other retail store and pay full retail price. Its all the same dude. Except you get it for a fraction of the price online. For example, at your $500 budget, you'd max out at the AVR-X1000 or the Denon AVR-E400. You could step up to the Denon AVR-X2000 by buying online. < $500 online vs. $650+ "retail".

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What is the difference between Denon X1000 or Denon E-400 ? Which one do you think is better if these two are the choices ?
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What is the difference between Denon X1000 or Denon E-400 ? Which one do you think is better if these two are the choices ?

I wouldn't get either one honestly (too stripped), but if those two are the only choices, I'd probably go with the E400.

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?compareItems=01|033AVX1000&compareItems=01|033AVRE400&g=10420

Check that link for the main differences. Power, 5.1 vs. 7.1, upconversion, etc.

If you want my honest opinion, if you are willing to spend $500, I would HIGHLY recommend spending an extra $135 and getting the X3000. Yeah, you can find that online for $635. That one has 105 watts, 7.2, 4K support, HMDI PIP, etc.
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What is the difference between Denon X1000 or Denon E-400 ? Which one do you think is better if these two are the choices ?

Depends on what you features you want. The X1000 will provide better audio fidelity as it uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT vs. only MultEQ on the E400. The E400 is a 7.1 AVR while the X1000 is only 5.1 with capability to add Zone 2 with an external 2CH amp. Review post #2 in each of the 2012 and 2013 Denon AVR Owner threads.

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Just some friendly advice... there is absolutely no need to buy an AVR from Best Buy or any other retail store and pay full retail price. Its all the same dude. Except you get it for a fraction of the price online. For example, at your $500 budget, you'd max out at the AVR-X1000 or the Denon AVR-E400. You could step up to the Denon AVR-X2000 by buying online. < $500 online vs. $650+ "retail".

With that being said, people will respond with "make sure you buy from an authorized reseller or you won't have a warranty"... Ok, but keep in mind:

1) You can still find the X2000 online from an authorized reseller for around ~$500.
2) This is electronics. They don't "wear out" or "break". I've had AVRs for 17 yrs+ and have never had one break or fail in any way. My dad had the same Sony AVR (low end one) for 10 yrs and it still works 100% to this day, but he finally upgraded a month ago.
3) Lets say your AVR did break a year from now. Now what? Your $500 AVR is worth about ~$250 if you were to sell it a year from now (if it worked perfectly). If you wanted to collect on your warranty, you'd have to ship the AVR to New Jersey and pay shipping both ways. Assuming you don't have any discounts, you are probably going to pay $70 or so. Now you are at $180 and you'd be without an AVR for 4 to 6 weeks. It would make more sense to just throw it out and get a new one. Even more so if it broke 5 yrs from now.

Anyways, the point is, $500 AVRs are not worth repairing under warranty as stated above. Even unauthorized resellers are going to cover DOA swaps. If it works when you get it, assuming you don't short it out (which the Denon warranty wouldn't cover anyways), it'll work pretty much forever.

My advice would be different if you were going for a higher end model, but at the $500 range, I wouldn't really concern yourself with the warranty and just go for the lowest price you can find.

Peace of mind is great, but it doesn't play out in the real world all the time smile.gif.

I'm not limiting myself to the brick and mortar stores, as evident by my accessories 4 less links, but thanks for the heads up.

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2313 has dual HDMI outputs, two optical and two digital coaxial inputs, variable zone 2 output, extra component video and some other features.
http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/productcomparision.aspx?pIDs=avr2313ci%28denonna%29|avr2113ci%28denonna%29&catID=avreceivers%28denonna%29

But if it is missing the remote and has scratches, get the 2113. It is a clearance item and not open box so should come with everything and look new.

Forgive my ignorance, but what does "variable zone 2 output" mean?

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The zone2 output is a set of RCA jacks that you would connect to another amp. With a variable output you can adjust the volume in Zone 2 with the Denon remote. If it is a fixed output you'll need to go to the amp you added to adjust the volume. Just makes things a little easier.

Did you go to Best Buy to pick up a clearance receiver?

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Just some friendly advice... there is absolutely no need to buy an AVR from Best Buy or any other retail store and pay full retail price. Its all the same dude. Except you get it for a fraction of the price online. For example, at your $500 budget, you'd max out at the AVR-X1000 or the Denon AVR-E400. You could step up to the Denon AVR-X2000 by buying online. < $500 online vs. $650+ "retail".

With that being said, people will respond with "make sure you buy from an authorized reseller or you won't have a warranty"... Ok, but keep in mind:

1) You can still find the X2000 online from an authorized reseller for around ~$500.
2) This is electronics. They don't "wear out" or "break". I've had AVRs for 17 yrs+ and have never had one break or fail in any way. My dad had the same Sony AVR (low end one) for 10 yrs and it still works 100% to this day, but he finally upgraded a month ago.
3) Lets say your AVR did break a year from now. Now what? Your $500 AVR is worth about ~$250 if you were to sell it a year from now (if it worked perfectly). If you wanted to collect on your warranty, you'd have to ship the AVR to New Jersey and pay shipping both ways. Assuming you don't have any discounts, you are probably going to pay $70 or so. Now you are at $180 and you'd be without an AVR for 4 to 6 weeks. It would make more sense to just throw it out and get a new one. Even more so if it broke 5 yrs from now.

Anyways, the point is, $500 AVRs are not worth repairing under warranty as stated above. Even unauthorized resellers are going to cover DOA swaps. If it works when you get it, assuming you don't short it out (which the Denon warranty wouldn't cover anyways), it'll work pretty much forever.

My advice would be different if you were going for a higher end model, but at the $500 range, I wouldn't really concern yourself with the warranty and just go for the lowest price you can find.

Peace of mind is great, but it doesn't play out in the real world all the time smile.gif.

If the value of the receiver depreciates by 50% in the first year then you would be able to find them half off on ebay or Craigslist. They're going for a lot more than that. I think the mfrs warranty has value. And with the way HDMI boards fail it would be worth having a warranty.

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If the value of the receiver depreciates by 50% in the first year then you would be able to find them half off on ebay or Craigslist. They're going for a lot more than that. I think the mfrs warranty has value. And with the way HDMI boards fail it would be worth having a warranty.

You can find them 50% off. Check last years models smile.gif -- that are used. Most electronics depreciate at that rate.

HDMI boards fail? Dunno what AVRs you are buying, but I have a 2007 model Denon and the boards in there still work perfectly.

You can still get the warranty online, but it doesn't really make much sense on the low end models. They just aren't worth repairing after a year or two.

I have a Denon 3808CI and it was about $1000 in 2007, its now going for $300 on eBay.
The 3313CI you can get brand new on eBay for ~$600. Thats 50% off last years model. A used one you can get closer to $500.
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3) Lets say your AVR did break a year from now. Now what? Your $500 AVR is worth about ~$250 if you were to sell it a year from now (if it worked perfectly). If you wanted to collect on your warranty, you'd have to ship the AVR to New Jersey and pay shipping both ways. Assuming you don't have any discounts, you are probably going to pay $70 or so. Now you are at $180 and you'd be without an AVR for 4 to 6 weeks. It would make more sense to just throw it out and get a new one. Even more so if it broke 5 yrs from now.

As afrogt notes, the AVR will be worth well more than 50% a year later. And if a Denon AVR needs repair shipping cost is only paid TO the repair facility as Denon pays the return shipping cost and even then, likely no more than $35. And if one is shipping to Panurgy OEM (mfr repair facility), the turn around is more likely to be 1-2 weeks not 4-6 weeks, But wait, there are repair facilities all over the country so there may even be one in the OP's local area which would involve no shipping cost at all. wink.gif

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So, lets say If I were to power JTR Noesis 228HT (LCR) speakers and Rythmik LV12R sub with Axiom QS8 surrounds. Would Denon X1000 be powerful enough for this kind of setup to run ?
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At moderate volume levels yes, any model would, however as they are only 4-ohm speakers, raising the volume to near movie reference volume levels would likely cause the AVR to shut down in protection mode as the "X" series models are not designed to power 4-ohm speakers.

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At moderate volume levels yes, any model would, however as they are only 4-ohm speakers, raising the volume to near movie reference volume levels would likely cause the AVR to shut down in protection mode as the "X" series models are not designed to power 4-ohm speakers.

So which AVR should be used to power this kind of setup ?
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You can find them 50% off. Check last years models smile.gif -- that are used. Most electronics depreciate at that rate.

HDMI boards fail? Dunno what AVRs you are buying, but I have a 2007 model Denon and the boards in there still work perfectly.

You can still get the warranty online, but it doesn't really make much sense on the low end models. They just aren't worth repairing after a year or two.

I have a Denon 3808CI and it was about $1000 in 2007, its now going for $300 on eBay.
The 3313CI you can get brand new on eBay for ~$600. Thats 50% off last years model. A used one you can get closer to $500.

I've never had any receivers with HDMI problems but if you read these boards there are plenty out there. Mostly Onkyo but Denon has had some too. I've owned 3 Denon's and one Marantz with HDMI and no issues with any of them..

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So, lets say If I were to power JTR Noesis 228HT (LCR) speakers and Rythmik LV12R sub with Axiom QS8 surrounds. Would Denon X1000 be powerful enough for this kind of setup to run ?
Just a question.

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It depends on your listening distance, acoustic properties of your room and your preferred maximum volume levels. I'll make some assumptions and see...

At 98dBSPL/1W/1m sensitivity, the Noesis 228HT's will play at about 114dBSPL at 1m with 40W of power. eek.gif Assuming a generous 4m listening distance and a 3 - 4dBSPL drawdown per double distance for a normally furnished domestic room, that 114dBSPL gives about 107dBSPL at the listening position. This is 2dBSPL above the theoretical reference level peak of 105dBSPL for satellite channels on a reference calibrated (say by Audyssey) system when the master volume reads "0dB". On normal program material (movies), within the confines of the average sized living room, this is thunderously loud - and remember on only 40W power for program peaks. If you turn the volume down to a more "subdued" -5dBMV (or 7dBSPL down) - still very loud - you will be using 8W per channel for those theoretical program peaks and fractions of a watt during the program generally.

Unless you have a particularly small room, what you will be limited by in that system is your choice of sub. The X1000 will play the 228HT's to reference level, however the LFE channel has +10dB of in-band electrical gain, for a theoretical peak level of 115dBSPL. When you sum that with redirected bass from the satellites (which you will do), this can in theory require the sub to produce reference level peaks in excess of 120dBSPL at the listening position. I suspect a single 12" Rythmik will be stuggle to produce these reference peaks with authority, so it will limit how far you can push the system.

So yes, given the power required for up to reference level listening with the above assumptions and limitation of the sub, the X1000 would be powerful enough for that speaker setup. I do acknowledge jd's advice above that the X1000 is not rated for 4 Ohm speakers, but at the output required to generate the power figures shown above, my contention is that this should be not an issue for anything less than very high (reference +) continuous SPL's.

Here is a clip by AVS member Archaea, which you may find interesting. The JTR speakers demo'd are 3dBSPL more sensitive, so in general require half the power that the 228HT require to reach the same volume.
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So which AVR should be used to power this kind of setup ?

Again, at moderate listening levels, (eg. -40db to -20db, average for the majority), any model would work. However, if you prefer to listen at near reference level (-10db to 0db), you would be better served with a model that is "designed" to work with 4-ohm speakers (eg. 4520CI or if you can find one it's predecessor the 4311CI)..

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Again, at moderate listening levels, (eg. -40db to -20db, average for the majority), any model would work. However, if you prefer to listen at near reference level (-10db to 0db), you would be better served with a model that is "designed" to work with 4-ohm speakers (eg. 4520CI or if you can find one it's predecessor the 4311CI)..

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