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I'm planning to buy my first home theatre system & speakers. But first, I would like to decide on the AVR to buy. I've streamlined between a lot & come to 2 models.

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Could you let me know should I go for X3000. Is the $300 more worth the buy?

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Go with whichever one has all the features you want / need. There's no point buying an X3000 if the X2000 will do the job, and there's no point buying an X2000 if it's missing features you want and the X3000 has them.

See the second half of this post for a list of:
- the X2000's features;
- the additional features the X3000 has over the X2000.


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So do you think the X3000 is future proof. I'm buying an AVR for the first time. After a lot of research I got to understand that the X3000 has a lot more features & 7.2 support than the X2000. So my question would be, does it justify the money to buy X3000 over X2000.

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So do you think the X3000 is future proof. I'm buying an AVR for the first time. After a lot of research I got to understand that the X3000 has a lot more features & 7.2 support than the X2000. So my question would be, does it justify the money to buy X3000 over X2000.

It depends what "future proof" means to you.

If you think you'll use the extra Zone 2 connectivity and functionality, and features like Audyssey DSX, then yes it's future-proof. (And if you want those features and the X2000 doesn't have them, then the X3000 is worth the extra money, IMO.)

If you think you'll want to add an external power amp at some point, it's not future-proof enough and you'll need to step up to the X4000.

If you think you'll want to take advantage of full-on 4K and HDMI 2.0 capabilities when they're finally available, none of them is future-proof enough.


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I was going to buy a Onkyo NR929 or Denon X4000. They both have everything I need for them to be used as a pre/pro with my ATI 1505 and have extra amps to turn my system into 7.1. I decided to wait until HDMI 2.0 is out. This will definitely future proof this for the future.
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So do you think the X3000 is future proof. I'm buying an AVR for the first time. After a lot of research I got to understand that the X3000 has a lot more features & 7.2 support than the X2000. So my question would be, does it justify the money to buy X3000 over X2000.

With HDMI versions changing every few years, the term "future proofing" could be as little as 9 months if you are an early adopter of HDMI 2.0 and must have the latest and greatest technology or perhaps 3-4 years until the next change. HDMI 2.0 offers 60fps/4K video although to take advantage of 4K you would need at least an 80" (ideally larger) display. So if not a concern then the current models should last at least 3-4 years until the next change. As already suggested, review post #2 in the Denon AVR E/X Series thread to and decide if you will ever use any of the features in the X3000, otherwise as is the case with most folks, the X2000 would be your best choice.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_23134186

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Seems like X2000 is a good buy & when I check the post for the features difference. I don't see major differences between the 2. Do you think X2000 + Def Tech 800 is a good combo.

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I'm in the same boat as the OP and was strongly considering one of these two models. Any idea if these have enough power to comfortably drive 2 Monitor Audio RS6's + 1 RSCLR and 2 Axiom QS8's? Not a huge room, never really go above moderate listening levels.
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At moderate volume levels ... shouldn't be a problem for either one.

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If someone was being swayed by the 7.2 vs 7.1 on the x3000 vs x2000, couldn't you just use a splitter on the x2000 and it's the same thing (the X3000 just uses an internal splitter vs using an external)? I don't believe the x3000 EQ's the subs separately, and as stated, they share a single split signal. Is that correct?
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That is correct. Use a $3 RCA "Y" splitter on the X2000 and you get the same result as the dual sub pre-outs on the X3000. smile.gif

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That is correct. Use a $3 RCA "Y" splitter on the X2000 and you get the same result as the dual sub pre-outs on the X3000. smile.gif
Thanks, good to know! I take it the X4000 is the only one that EQ's ea sub independently? Or does it?
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I take it the X4000 is the only one that EQ's ea sub independently? Or does it?
Not quite. Audyssey Sub EQ HT independently sets delay (distance / phase) and level for each sub, and then MultEQ XT32 EQs them together.

The first post in this thread on the Audyssey website sums it up.


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Thanks, good to know! I take it the X4000 is the only one that EQ's ea sub independently? Or does it?

It is the only "X" model that has Audyssey Sub EQ HT, although the flagship 4520CI also has this feature which would allow you to independently control the volume of each sub.

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This thread is very useful to me , thanks OP and others for info. I had narrowed down to marantz sr6006/7005 or denon avr x2000/3000

So far it seems the x2000 is my best bet and the cheapest shipped at $479, can anyone comment on the marantz sr6006 if choice is between the 2 of them. I am running dual subs and I liked learning fact of just using a Y splitter rather than stepping up a model to the 3000 which I believe can do dual subs independently, if it cant and it is the 4000 Denon then i would buy 2000 hands down, how about the marantz?
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Only the X4000 and 7008 can handle two subs independently.

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Only the X4000 and 7008 can handle two subs independently.

I thought the Yamaha RX-A2020/2030/3020/3030 could as well but could be wrong smile.gif I'm new to the new stuff, lol.
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This thread is only discussing Denon and Marantz models. wink.gif

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This thread is only discussing Denon and Marantz models. wink.gif

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None required ... simply responding as to why I only listed the Denon and Marantz units with this feature. smile.gif

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Seems to me to get as close to being able to run 2 subs independently it is TX-NR818 offering XT32 over just MultiEQ XT. I have no issue w buying Onkyo as my current one has been a rock for 5 yrs and would be willing to take gamble

So I have a question, the X2000 is short XT32. Video processing seems to be in favour of the 818. For the slight difference in cost and getting the bigger amp I see the 818 as being the pick. I am talking in the 630 and under range what else could one toss into the mix before pulling the trigger? Denon covers one w a 3 yr warranty and Onkyo 2. Any other big differences between both.

I guess one could save up their pennies further and go x4000 return for 799 shipped, man that's a beast of a receiver. It just never ends, so lets forget this paragraph and stick to what's above lol

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The 818 does not feature the Sub EQ HT either ... so no independent handling of the subs, although it does feature the higher version of XT32.

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The 818 does not feature the Sub EQ HT either ... so no independent handling of the subs, although it does feature the higher version of XT32.

Yes I understand that, I mean the 818 offers the next step up with XT32, what I don't know is whether that is a huge benefit over MultiEQ XT in the X2000. To get full control of the subs independently I realize I would have to buck up and go X4000 which has MultiEQ XT32 SUBEQ HT but I don't think that is happening at this time, but it looks to be the smartest move for my dual subs that will have different placement in my HT room to my MLP

I guess there could be further sales that could play into my favour in waiting it out for the X4000 refurbed and doubling warranty with my visa card to 2 yrs

Independent control of the subs could solve alot of issues over the 818 for me with different sub room placement, hate to learn this after the fact and be relegated to removing a sub
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Hi all,

I got a Denon AVR 3313 for a bargain in my country it self. I cannot afford a X4000 or didn't even turn back at the features of X2000 or X3000 gave. But if i didn't get the 3313 then I would have gone for X2000 for my budget.

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