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You don't understand what a DBT is. The idea is to see if anyone can hear differences. If you can't hear a difference between A and B, then clearly you can't prefer A to B or vice-versa.

You can only hear differences using complex music, not some synthetic test. Those tests are invalid.

Where did you read that ABX tests are done only with "some synthetic test"? Simply not true!
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But if you use complex music, then preference comes to play.

If you actually understood ABX testing you would know that ABX tests inherently avoid preference testing.
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Therefor A/B test is not valid.

It appears that the invalid aspects you ascribe to ABX testing come from your own disinformation and misapprehensions.
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You need objective measurements, problem is, we don't know what to measure.

It appears that you have conflated your limitations with those that apply to everybody, including people who understand audio far better than you do.
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Simple yes or no question Bill. If you adjust the volume of various frequencies are you euing?

An equalizer.
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If you have two friends that you have not conversed with in say 5 years and one calls you do you remember which ones voice you are hearing?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If the transmission is sufficiently mangled, even identifying the voices of people you know can be tough. Cell phones used to be pretty bad and that could be a problem with them.

However, recognizing voices is meat ball surgery compared to hearing differences among even mediocre modern audio gear. Therefore your question has no place in a discussion of audible differences among good audio gear.
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Simple yes or no question Bill. If you adjust the volume of various frequencies are you euing?

If you have two friends that you have not conversed with in say 5 years and one calls you do you remember which ones voice you are hearing?

Mud,

In all seriousness what is euing?

You have tried the "which ones voice you are hearing" argument before. It doesn't hold a shred of validity in the discussion of auditory memory for audio components IMO. Voices have distinct characteristics whether that be deeper or higher that are easily heard and recognized. To raise this type of comparison is exactly as Keith states. That is when in a hole it's not a good idea to keep digging as it doesn't help in the least wink.gif.

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He mistyped - he meant "eq-ing". He's raised that red herring before too BTW...

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