Originally Posted by NAIM101
I figure since most of the regular members here that have not been here long insist on AVR and separates sounding the same,
That is a false claim. Since separates seem to largely be lost in a major technological time warp, it is entirely possible for an AVR based system to sound far better.
they themselves got their AVR theory from the older members.
Notably, older members with closets full of classic and current separates, taken out of service and replaced with AVRs.
So I thought I just get straight to the source.
Or move onto to forums where you don't see the people who have provided you with well-documented evidence that destroys your claims don't post.
Higher quality parts = better sound.
Never heard of diminishing returns, have you? ;-)
Of course higher quality parts are required for better sound, but there is a matter of diminishing returns and perceived versus actual value. The real question is "higher quality than what?"
Back in the 1970s we still found high end audio components with what we would now call crappy parts, carbon composition resistors for example. In the 1990s carbon and metal film resistors with tight tolerances became commoditized. Today, you simply don't find gear that lacks them because lower quality parts have gone the way of the dodo bird. So, are there higher quality parts that actually provide better sound quality than was is used in good mass market products today? It appears not. The last advance in resistor technology was surface mounting which cuts production costs and facilitates further reduction in the size of circuit boards.
How can you honestly say a AVR that has a power supply unit right next to a processor will sound just as clean as separates?
Because signals in the digital domain are very robust and maintain their integrity in electrically noisy environments. I guess you didn't know that?
The AVR that are used today and the parts are made from China and the processors in the AVR cost $5.00 and power supply cost like $10.00..
First off you obviously have no clue as to the costs of AVR processors and power supplies, and how they relate to the high end. The world is full of engineers that would love to build an AVR power supply for $10 -they cost more even when built in China. As far as the processors go, the chips are made in Silicon Valley and shipped to China and other parts of the Pacific rim for encapsulation. You find the same actual chips in a mid-priced AVR, a high priced AVR and those few separates that are technologically advanced to contain them. In another thread it was revealed that a legacy high end brand was rebranding a mid-priced surround processor/control center as its own. The punch line is that the mid-priced version uses a more advanced version of processing code that is known to be better, more effective and thus better sounding.
Bad mouthing China indicates ignorance. Just because its made in China doesn't mean it has technical failings. Products either fully made in China or containing subassemblies or parts made in China are very hard to avoid. Ever read the back panels of high end audio components? I guess not! Most are proudly emblazoned with "Made in Chiina" and those that aren't contain parts and subassemblies made in China.
And you really expect to hear clean sound with soundstage?
Not only expect it but obtain it. You don't seem to know that the primary influences in having clean sound with excellent soundstaging are loudspeakers and room acoustics.
The above pictures are separates. The below are AVR's that many members recommend all the time. That is a new Denon reciever that retails for $1,000.
I would like to know what sort of educational credentials and life's experiences allow you to judge soundstaging from photographs?
You;ve been asked this question before, and AFAIK
no answers. You posts read like they were written by a semi-literate middle schooler. Are you even over 25? Serious question that you will no doubt ignore.
I mean at least be equal to OPPO 105 and they are clearly not, yet many members still recommend the AVR's. Why? Honest question. Thank you.
Honest answer, we have the evidence of bench testing, listening evaluations, and decades of experience and education. What overwhelming advantage do you have over us?