I then got a 3313 with the hope of the more powerful amps being more capable of handling the music without shutting down. I also wanted Spotify that this unit features. Before learning about the extra wattage required to increase loudness, I also hoped my system would be louder as I love my music loud.
My latest purchase/ demo was the Onkyo 818. I wanted to see if this would solve my overload protection/ overheating problem. I also wanted to try the Audyssey XT 32 that many rave about and are dropping big bucks on with the Denon X4000 (I know the Onkyo does not have the sub EQ feature like the 4000).
Please keep in mind that I realize my findings may have technical explanations, some of which I even know, but my goal is to relay both objective and subjective information that may be relative to my expectations.
Here are my findings:
Denon AVR 1613
What I liked:
-Great detailed sound
-Power output likely to satisfy most
-Good amount of features
-Not overly complex/ intuitive operation
What I did not like:
-Shuts down due to excessive heat when pushed
-Wattage mongers like myself may want to see a higher wattage output number
Denon AVR 3313CI
What I liked:
-Everything listed for 1613
-Powered second zone (compared to 1613)
-Preamp outputs (compared to 1613- not necessary but gives me the option if I ever get the urge for an amp, but doubt it)
-Higher wattage output number (it's psychological I guess)
-Still shuts down on overload (maybe increased playtime by half a song)
-Going from 75 to 125 WPC provided a very minimal increase in loudness (almost negligible)
What I like:
-Solved my overload protection shut down problems finally!
-Unit has 2 cooling fans
-Heavy unit with bigger transformers and capacitors (I know some argue this is of no value, but I still like it- again maybe psychological)
-Bass seems to hit a little harder/ more powerfully
-Dialog loudness/ quality seems better when watching TV/ movies
-Higher wattage output number than the 1613
-Sounds seems less detailed/ crisp compared to either Denon when listening to music. It sounds flatter, like when I used to have an equalizer in my car stereo and had the midrange turned up and the treble turned down, or maybe having all settings at zero. I had limited success adjusting the eq in the avr and with Audyssey. I could get it sounding brighter after eq adjustments, but not as detailed and crisp as the Denons
- After trying Audyssey XT with the Denons and 32 with this Onkyo, I found that I do not like it for listening to music. I haven't yet wanted to shut it off for movies, but music I do not like either one. I would say that the 32 seems better, but I still do not want it for music. I do not like the bass response with it (not as hard hitting) and feel the sound is flatter.
- Going from 75 to 135 WPC again provided a very minimal increase in loudness (almost negligible)
-I kind of miss Airplay
Ultimately, I wish I could get a Denon for its music sound quality, with Onkyo's sound for movies, and Onkyo's ability to run cooler
Get an Onkyo for its movie sound quality, with Denon's music sound quality, and with Airplay
I am still not sure if I will return the Onkyo and go back to Denon. I have only had the Onkyo for a few days and will give it more time to make adjustments. I have decided that I will not spend more $$ for Audyssey though.
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There is a lot of bias in audio at least demo for yourself and trust your ears after all they are what you have to please.
I see that both have Pure Direct Mode :-) The "Pure Direct / Direct / Stereo Modes on Digital / Analog inputs" as they market it.
Looks like the 1613 (and 1713) has a nice price!
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I too had an Onkyo 818. It was amazing for movies, best I ever heard in my room. However.... It was almost unlistenable for music. One LP and I had listener fatigue bad. CD's and SACD's were no better. I returned it and got a Marantz 6007. Now we are talking. Roseanne Cash sounded as pure and beautiful as I have ever heard her on LP. Gaia from JT's Hourglass SACD was amazing in 5.1.
I am still working to get the 6007 set up for movies. Right now it has a crossover set at 40HZ which cuts all the low bass off from my full size speakers (NHT 2.5i with unpowered built in 8" subs in each) which I haven't figured out how to turn off. I have no subs, don't need them with the NHT's, and yes I have my fronts set to full size. I am sure I will figure it out.
This review really mates with my view of the 818's sound, even though it is of the newer model.
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