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HI, I JUST RECENTLY PICKED UP A NAD M25 POWER AMP. IM IN A DILEMA AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD BE BEST AS A PREAMP. I COULD PROBABLY PURCHASE A USED MRX 300 ANTHEM WITH ARC AND USE AS A PREAMP OR JUST BUY A UMC 200 EMOTIVA PREAMP.
IM CURRENTLY RUNNING A MONITOR AUDIO 5. 1 SET UP.
PLEASE LET ME HEAR YOUR OPINIONS OR INPUT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS. HAVE TO SAY.
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Emotiva is not even in the same league as
The MRX-300 with ARC. MY humble opinion.
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CARE TO ELABORATE? ? IVE HEARD BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS. .
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The issues you have described in your room sound
To me points to the proper use of a superior room
Correction system,
The Emo correction system is still unproven and new.

The Anthem ARC system is very highly regarded and
Will provide you with freq response graphs for each
Speaker and also the subwoofer. You can see the any
Possible problem area and make needed corrections from
There.
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The issues you have described in your room sound To me points to the proper use of a superior roomCorrection system, The Emo correction system is still unproven and new.The Anthem ARC system is very highly regarded and Will provide you with freq response graphs for each Speaker and also the subwoofer. You can see the anyPossible problem area and make needed corrections fromThere.
And when I use free rew software with my umc200 it does everything your arc system does at a substantially lower cost. Want to make a big difference ... spend your money on speakers and room treatments .
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And when I use free rew software with my umc200 it does everything your arc system does at a substantially lower cost. Want to make a big difference ... spend your money on speakers and room treatments .

You are comparing Emotiva RC to Athem ARC? Can you post your REW?
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OK BOTH PARTIES ARE DEFENDING THEIR OWN GEAR. I KNOW THE EMOTIVA IS HAVING A SALE RIGHT NOW FOR THE UMC 200 BUT I DONT WANT THAT TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR. I WANT GOOD CLEAN SOUND FED TO MY NAD M25 AND OF COURSE A GOOD ROOM CORRECTION. I HAVE READ THREADS EVERYWHERE ABOUT BOTH UNITS AND THERES MIXED OPINIONS.
ROOM CORRECTION IS A HUGE PLUS FOR ME BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AS TO WHY SOME FEEL THE ARC IS SUPERIOR TO THE EMOTIVA?
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And when I use free rew software with my umc200 it does everything your arc system does at a substantially lower cost. Want to make a big difference ... spend your money on speakers and room treatments .

I was really impressed with the fact that the umc200 uses one measurement
Point for the room correction sweep. Make sure everyone can fit into
That "sweet spot". cool.gif Room correction has evolved now to the
Point that all major companies use multiple positions. Seems like Emo
Must be onto something. I think that they were just trying to save
Money by not licensing "Audyssey", this of course saves the consumer
Money and allows for a lower price point...and more profit for Emo.
Emotiva's strength is their power amps,I don't believe that their
"Emo Q" "measures" up to other room correction solutions. (Pun intended)
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I was really impressed with the fact that the umc200 uses one measurement
Point for the room correction sweep. Make sure everyone can fit into
That "sweet spot". cool.gif Room correction has evolved now to the
Point that all major companies use multiple positions. Seems like Emo
Must be onto something. I think that they were just trying to save
Money by not licensing "Audyssey", this of course saves the consumer
Money and allows for a lower price point...and more profit for Emo.
Emotiva's strength is their power amps,I don't believe that their
"Emo Q" "measures" up to other room correction solutions. (Pun intended)

I have used Audyssey, MCAC, YPAO, EZSET and both versions of EMOQ. The newer version of EmMO in the UMC200 sounds best to me. Never used ARC, however I have not been impressed with the Anthems WHen ARC was not applied.

Since you are so adamant about ARC I will assume that you have compared it to EMOQ. Otherwise you are simply guessing.
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You are correct...I have never used EMOQ! And yes, I am guessing,
But, it is an educated guess based on my experience with ARC and
What I have read about EMOQ. Maybe the OP should go ahead and
Get the umc200 and try it out, I have heard that Emotiva has a very
Good return policy if you are not satisfied with their product. I would
Be surprised though,if the OP is not happy with the sound of the Umc200
That you would be able to step in and coach him on how to improve his
Sound set-up. This happens on a regular basis on the MRX thread. Check
It out.

In the end it is up to the OP on what he wants to do,it's his system after all.
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Well guys, i just pulled the trigger on a mrx 300 receiver 10 minutes ago with full 3 year warranty. I felt that it was just a more proven unit up until this point and based on the multiple reviews read by me, i find it with perhaps the right preamplifier section for my nad m25. I got rid of a rotel power amp because i felt it was too bright for me and so i replaced it with the NAD. i have read on a review that the emotiva tends to be on the bright side and the anthem is neutral so that is what made me finalize my decision to buy an anthem.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that i have made the right decision and that it blows audessey out of the water because i wasnt per say very impressed with Audessey.
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Well guys, i just pulled the trigger on a mrx 300 receiver 10 minutes ago with full 3 year warranty. I felt that it was just a more proven unit up until this point and based on the multiple reviews read by me, i find it with perhaps the right preamplifier section for my nad m25. I got rid of a rotel power amp because i felt it was too bright for me and so i replaced it with the NAD. i have read on a review that the emotiva tends to be on the bright side and the anthem is neutral so that is what made me finalize my decision to buy an anthem.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that i have made the right decision and that it blows audessey out of the water because i wasnt per say very impressed with Audessey.

Congrats! Make sure you head over to MRX page and read the
FAQs ...very important!. Proper set-up and execution are a must!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1289533/anthem-mrx-receivers-300-500-700-owners-thread-tweaking-guide

Also, please post up your graphs and targets so other users may
Assist you in getting the most out of your MRX.
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if this does not work out for me, i am coming after ya lol smile.gif
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Well guys, i just pulled the trigger on a mrx 300 receiver 10 minutes ago with full 3 year warranty. I felt that it was just a more proven unit up until this point and based on the multiple reviews read by me, i find it with perhaps the right preamplifier section for my nad m25. I got rid of a rotel power amp because i felt it was too bright for me and so i replaced it with the NAD. i have read on a review that the emotiva tends to be on the bright side and the anthem is neutral so that is what made me finalize my decision to buy an anthem.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that i have made the right decision and that it blows audessey out of the water because i wasnt per say very impressed with Audessey.

I would like to read that review. Bright is the last description that I would give the UMC-200.
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if this does not work out for me, i am coming after ya lol smile.gif

I will be there for you Bro... wink.gif Invest some time reading the
FAQ's...will save time and frustration.
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As an MRX owner, I think you'll be very happy with your decision.

I would also suggest running the MRX on its own before adding an external power amp. I think you'll be amazed by the sound quality of the onboard amps.
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As an MRX owner, I think you'll be very happy with your decision.I would also suggest running the MRX on its own before adding an external power amp. I think you'll be amazed by the sound quality of the onboard amps.

All decent amps sound the same. You couldn't tell a difference between external and mrx. There are no bright amps , cool amps , warm amps. There may be a difference between 80 watts and 300 watts driving power hungry speakers .

One question for mrx owners. Does the mrx have fully adjustable peq with eleven bands or more for each speaker ? My umc200 does and it allowed me to just add a touch to the midbass for my front speakers . If it does the user will love tweaking his system
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Tube amps are certainly 'decent' amps and they have a sound all their own, or have you not heard any?  

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Tube amps are certainly 'decent' amps and they have a sound all their own, or have you not heard any?  


Audit wasn't talking about tube amps. Anytime someone talks about ss amps of similar specs sounding distinctly different has golden ears. I've heard tube and there not for me or 95% of others . Tubes are a niche market , if you like them with a turntable go for it. The thread is about the sound of preamps. My point was both listed could do the job just fine. As before speakers are way more important then the difference between these two preamps.
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All decent amps sound the same. You couldn't tell a difference between external and mrx. There are no bright amps , cool amps , warm amps. There may be a difference between 80 watts and 300 watts driving power hungry speakers .

One question for mrx owners. Does the mrx have fully adjustable peq with eleven bands or more for each speaker ? My umc200 does and it allowed me to just add a touch to the midbass for my front speakers . If it does the user will love tweaking his system

I suppose that's all good if you want to tone control the result, but I'd think the whole point of room correction is towards flat response, not tweaked up (or down) response.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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[quote name="chalugadp" url="/t/1495099/which-preamp-anthem-mrx-300-or-emotiva-umc-200#post_23844713"]All decent amps sound the same. You couldn't tell a difference between external and mrx. There are no bright amps , cool amps , warm amps. There may be a difference between 80 watts and 300 watts driving power hungry speakers . One question for mrx owners. Does the mrx have fully adjustable peq with eleven bands or more for each speaker ? My umc200 does and it allowed me to just add a touch to the midbass for my front speakers . If it does the user will love tweaking his system[/quote]I suppose that's all good if you want to tone control the result, but I'd think the whole point of room correction is towards flat response, not tweaked up (or down) response.

The whole point is control . I can have flat , up , down , and sideways. I'm done here since starter has found what he wants. He's probably going to be happy with why he has as I am with mine
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For you that's the point, which is what was implied previously. No need to get all indignant just beause I don't necessarily find the option as big a deal as you.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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All decent amps sound the same. You couldn't tell a difference between external and mrx. There are no bright amps , cool amps , warm amps. There may be a difference between 80 watts and 300 watts driving power hungry speakers .

One question for mrx owners. Does the mrx have fully adjustable peq with eleven bands or more for each speaker ? My umc200 does and it allowed me to just add a touch to the midbass for my front speakers . If it does the user will love tweaking his system
I WOULD TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. NOT ALL AMPS SOUND THE SAME. I HAVE OWNED PARASOUND, ROTEL AND NOW NAD.
THE M25 IS INSANE. ITS BASS MAKES MY PANTS VIBRATE AND ALMOST FEEL MUSIC IN MY GUTS. THE ROTEL WAS FORWARD AND BRIGHT AND PARASOUND WAS WARM. MAYBE ALL AMPS SOUND THE SAME TO YOU WHEN FIRST TURNED ON BUT IF YOU LISTEN FOR A FEW HOURS, A GOOD AMP WONT FATIGUE YOUR EARS. I THOUGHT I COULDNT DO BETTER THAN ROTEL FOR THE MONEY UNTIL I FOUND THE M25.
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I'm about to be a UMC-200 owner...will post my results. I was using a Denon 3311ci previously, and decided I wanted a dedicated processor. I like the idea that you can go with "just the facts" with the 200, i.e. emo or rew, but don't have all the extras. I'm tired of the extras.

and, can we not shout LIKE THIS PLEASE!

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I'm amping via an Anthem PVA-7, if that matters.
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The whole point is control . I can have flat , up , down , and sideways. I'm done here since starter has found what he wants. He's probably going to be happy with why he has as I am with mine
can you post your room corrections?
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I WOULD TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. NOT ALL AMPS SOUND THE SAME. I HAVE OWNED PARASOUND, ROTEL AND NOW NAD.
THE M25 IS INSANE. ITS BASS MAKES MY PANTS VIBRATE AND ALMOST FEEL MUSIC IN MY GUTS. THE ROTEL WAS FORWARD AND BRIGHT AND PARASOUND WAS WARM. MAYBE ALL AMPS SOUND THE SAME TO YOU WHEN FIRST TURNED ON BUT IF YOU LISTEN FOR A FEW HOURS, A GOOD AMP WONT FATIGUE YOUR EARS. I THOUGHT I COULDNT DO BETTER THAN ROTEL FOR THE MONEY UNTIL I FOUND THE M25.

I know that you are attempting to be honest, and in your mind you probably do hear a difference between the amps, but in reality, if you were to try a level matched, blind and controlled comparison between any of those amps you listed, I would bet my soul to the devil that you could not tell which one was which.

The human brain is a powerful thing, and when it comes to amps, your bias will have a huge affect on what you think you hear. That is something that you can not control.

I used to be just like you, I had experienced lots of different amps over years, and I considered some to be bright, some neutral, some laid back, some warm, ect.... Not too long ago my local speaker shop set up a trail of different level matched amps to a/b compare. Neither me, nor the other 3 ppl in that room were able to differentiate between a very expensive sold state McIntish amp, versus a cheaper Parasound amp, or the other amps from the likes of Adcom, Outlaw, and Marantz. I highly suggest that you try this before saying that you think all amps sound different!
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All decent amps sound the same. You couldn't tell a difference between external and mrx. There are no bright amps , cool amps , warm amps. There may be a difference between 80 watts and 300 watts driving power hungry speakers .

One question for mrx owners. Does the mrx have fully adjustable peq with eleven bands or more for each speaker ? My umc200 does and it allowed me to just add a touch to the midbass for my front speakers . If it does the user will love tweaking his system

I set my mrx up a while ago and haven't played with the settings for many months. I don't think it can eq individual speakers. I used to have an Onkyo that could but I found that I didn't play with too many sound settings. I tend to find a good overall setting and leave it there.

For the mrx, I just ran the eq program and left it as is.
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I DONT KNOW IF IM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOURE COMING FROM. AT THIS POINT, I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER AMPLIFICATION. I FEEL ANYTHING ABOVE MY NAD M25 WOULD COST TRIPLE OR MORE AND DEMINISHING RETURNS BEGING. I DONT CARE TO PAY 8 GRAND FOR AN AMP THAT SOUNDS 10% BETTEER THAN MINE. I FEEL THAT IM AT THE CEILING AS FAR AS AMPLICATION FOR THE MONEY GOES.

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I know that you are attempting to be honest, and in your mind you probably do hear a difference between the amps, but in reality, if you were to try a level matched, blind and controlled comparison between any of those amps you listed, I would bet my soul to the devil that you could not tell which one was which.

The human brain is a powerful thing, and when it comes to amps, your bias will have a huge affect on what you think you hear. That is something that you can not control.

I used to be just like you, I had experienced lots of different amps over years, and I considered some to be bright, some neutral, some laid back, some warm, ect.... Not too long ago my local speaker shop set up a trail of different level matched amps to a/b compare. Neither me, nor the other 3 ppl in that room were able to differentiate between a very expensive sold state McIntish amp, versus a cheaper Parasound amp, or the other amps from the likes of Adcom, Outlaw, and Marantz. I highly suggest that you try this before saying that you think all amps sound different!
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