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I have the AV8801 currently and I am not happy with the fact that it truncates frequencies above 48 KHz when audyssey xt32 is engaged. I am considering switching to the CX5000 but need to know if YPAO applies the same truncation above 48 kHz. Any insight would be much appreciated.

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I have the AV8801 currently and I am not happy with the fact that it truncates frequencies above 48 KHz when audyssey xt32 is engaged. I am considering switching to the CX5000 but need to know if YPAO applies the same truncation above 48 kHz. Any insight would be much appreciated.
The Yamaha is capable of 96kHz signals with YPAO engaged. OTOH, 48kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~24kHz and 96kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~48kHz. No change in the audible range either way.
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The Yamaha is capable of 96kHz signals with YPAO engaged. OTOH, 48kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~24kHz and 96kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~48kHz. No change in the audible range either way.
Thanks Kal, is that something YOU would care about when deciding between processors?

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The Yamaha is capable of 96kHz signals with YPAO engaged. OTOH, 48kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~24kHz and 96kHz PCM means a maximum audio frequency ~48kHz. No change in the audible range either way.
So, does Marantz Audyssey XT32 downsample to 48kHZ and YPAO in Yamaha samples to 96KHZ. If I am playing Blu-ray at contains data 24/96KHZ sampling rate would it play at 96kHZ sampling or would it down sample to 48 KHZ like audyssey XT32. Is it similar to Anthem D2V room correction that samples at 96kHz

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Thanks Kal, is that something YOU would care about when deciding between processors?
It is a factor but not a definitive one.

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Thanks Kal, is that something YOU would care about when deciding between processors?
It is a factor but not a definitive one. After all, imho, Audyssey XT32 is superior to YPAO in its corrections.
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So, does Marantz Audyssey XT32 downsample to 48kHZ and YPAO in Yamaha samples to 96KHZ.
Yes.

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If I am playing Blu-ray at contains data 24/96KHZ sampling rate would it play at 96kHZ sampling or would it down sample to 48 KHZ like audyssey XT32.
The CX-A5000 will play it at 24/96 without downsampling.[/quote]

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Neither "samples" anything, per se, but both will pass 24/96 using REQ without downsampling.

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It is a factor but not a definitive one. After all, imho, Audyssey XT32 is superior to YPAO in its corrections.
Thank you Sir!

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Yes.

The CX-A5000 will play it at 24/96 without downsampling.
Neither "samples" anything, per se, but both will pass 24/96 using REQ without downsampling.[/QUOTE]




Thanks that's what I thought. I use omnimic for subwoofer calibration and managed to get pretty flat reading on my 2 JL audio subwoofers and reading some reviews looks like Yamaha would be better option for me which I have read provided better midrange (which seems to be a issue in my room when using XT32 via 8801) and natural highs without truncation. Have tried all options of audyssey xt32 and have not been satisfied both in music and multichannel movies. I have to skip to pure direct to play multichannel DSD which I prefer.


May be eventually try Trinnov as a more expensive option.

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Anyone have used the YPAO volume that comes with the latest CX-A5000 firmware? If so what do you think about it? Is it as good as the Dynamic EQ or just worst?
By the way I have owned some of the latest Aventage 20XX and 30XX models and i can confirm that in these models YPAO eq the subs down to 31hz with very good results and compared directly with XT32 in my room. Just take note YPAO has problems when eq subs of the "push pull" type (i.e. B&W PV1D). Using YPAO with these subs gives very strange and wrong results (usually boosting heavily the sub frecuencies around the LF crossover point).
Another point to take in consideration it's to use always just single point measurements. I and other users have noticed that the very best and precise holographic surround field and neutral sound only it's achieved using single point measurement.

Hope this helps.
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I and other users have noticed that the very best and precise holographic surround field and neutral sound only it's achieved using single point measurement.
Must be a YPAO thing. Not so with other REQ systems.

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Must be a YPAO thing. Not so with other REQ systems.
You are right. I have owned Denon 4520 and with XT32 (unlike the YPAO) the best results are always obtained using eight mic positions readings.
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....................It's interesting to find that the Integra DHC 80.3 is highly regarded but yet never mention in threads on this forum when people are looking for a AV Processor around the $3000 mark.

The Yamaha CX-A5000, Marantz AV8801 and Integra DHC 80.3 are all in competition with each other.
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Good point, also look how many people ignore the superior modular chassis, recessed buttons behind bay door, and pure audio on the internally identical Onkyo PR-SC5509.

But for video and room correction the AV8801 is the winner, especially if the answer to the quote below is YES:
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Are they both truly differential for XLR? I plan to use amplified studio monitors like these:
http://www.focal.com/en/71-sm6
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So anyone know, at least fully differentially balanced stereo would be awesome.

I also dislike the disorderly wiring and poorly used real estate inside the Yamaha, HDAM ie tiny analog preamps on each channel would have been nice:


The Marantz would make a terrific companion to my UD9004, would be feeding 7.1 single ended to it, i can bet the tiny HDAM preamps will do a great job with the analog signal.

I always think of Malaysian Yamahas as the Hondas of A/V. My third Yamaha receiver is in the living room for 7 years now and it refuses to misbehave. Lets hope that the AV8801/8802 will become the Audi S4 6MT equivalent

Being a longterm Onkyo/Integra user I have HDMI board cooling worked out to an art by now

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ops someone had already answered this sorry
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