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Hello, I currently have the following setup. The room is about 15X20 and carpeted:

* Pioneer SC-1522
* Martin Logan Motion 40 speakers for Front L/R
* Martin Logan Motion 30 speaker for Center Channel
* Infinity in wall speakers for Rear Surrounds and Front Surrounds
* [2] BIC PL-200 Subwoofers
* Epson 5020 projector
* Lumagen XE-3d for video processing

I just recently purchased the Lumagen to perfect the picture of the Epson 5020. This did a great job. It also made me start thinking of seperate audio components

I am know looking into the idea that seperates like the Emotiva UMC-200 and UPA-700 would increase my audio output better than the Pioneer SC-1522.

I am somewhat new to the concept of seperates. I have always just purchased an AVR.

I do not use too much of the "extras" the AVR brings to the table.

My questions which I would love to hear response to are:

1. Just from an audio standpoint would the Emotiva combo out perform the Pioneer? I should not I am probably 90% movie and 10% music.
2. Would it perhaps be just as good to use the Pioneer and just get the UPA-700 amplifier? But I also think I could sell the Pioneer to offset the cost of the UMC-200
3. Does a Harmony remote support the Emotiva components

Looking forward to feedback.
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Those Martin Logans have a reasonably high sensitivity rating. Your AVR should have no trouble driving them to reasonably loud volumes cleanly.

But if you want to take some of the strain off the AVR, options include:
- an Emotiva UPA-200 ($299) to power your mains, with your AVR powering your remaining speakers; or
- your AVR powering your mains, and an Emotiva UPA-500 ($349) to power your remaining speakers.
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I personally would consider the Emotiva UMC-200/UPA700 a fairly significant step backwards to the Pioneer SC-1522.

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The Emotiva would be a step backwards.eek.gif

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The Emotiva would be a step backwards.eek.gif

Not really. It would be no different except that it might increase your electric bill a little. And it certainly would lighten your wallet.
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I'm also thinking about upgrading to that combo. (UMC-200/UPA-700)

I love playing movies loud, and usually play around -17db and could take more, but I'm afraid of playing any louder, cause my reciever does get pretty warm/hot, and I don't want to damage anything. My receiver (Yamaha 567) is ventilated very well. You can see it here. Thoughts?

This is my setup...

All Klipsch
Fronts - KF-28
Center - C-2 (not in the picture, it's being delivered next week)
Sides - VS-14
Rears - VS-14
Sub - RW12D

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I was on their website and liked at the Sherbournn line. They have the SR-120 marked down to 499, originally 1,999

Any thoughts this compared to the Pioneer or Emotiva combo
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I was on their website and liked at the Sherbournn line. They have the SR-120 marked down to 499, originally 1,999

Any thoughts this compared to the Pioneer or Emotiva combo

Now $459. But it says "Sorry, this product is unavailable." I guess they sold out?

I'm also interested to hear about the comparisons.

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Im currently running the same set up as you with a sc1227(Canada). A model down but same power output rating I believe. My room is 20x25 carpet as well. I have gone a head and bought the upa-700. So I will post back how it sounds and if it makes a big difference. Which I'm hoping it will. Comes in on November 11.
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Im currently running the same set up as you with a sc1227(Canada). A model down but same power output rating I believe. My room is 20x25 carpet as well. I have gone a head and bought the upa-700. So I will post back how it sounds and if it makes a big difference. Which I'm hoping it will. Comes in on November 11.

Look forward to hearing your impressions. I'm going to assume that if you hear a big difference, than me and my Yamaha 567, which pales in comparison to your Pioneer sc1227, will most likely be an even more improved by upgrading to the UPA-700.

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Looking to hear back with your review of the 700
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Not really. It would be no different except that it might increase your electric bill a little. And it certainly would lighten your wallet.
Not really. It would be no different except that it might increase your electric bill a little. And it certainly would lighten your wallet.

which one burns more current umc-200 or pioneer 1522k?.
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Not really. It would be no different except that it might increase your electric bill a little. And it certainly would lighten your wallet.

Which one pulls more current..umc-200, 1522k or pt-7030
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You should compare it with the Pioneer Elite SC-61, which is technically the same as the Pioneer SC-1222.

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 127.2 watts
1% distortion at 150.3 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 109.0 watts
1% distortion at 127.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 99.4 watts
1% distortion at 110.3 watts

Two channels driven continuously into 4-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 213.8 watts
1% distortion at 247.5 watts


Source: http://www.soundandvision.com/content/pioneer-elite-sc-61-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

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Which one pulls more electricity to operate at full. umc-200, 1522k or pt-7030. I have the umc 200 and pioneer 1522k. I must admit the UMC-200 sounds superior. The one drawback. I am using pa-7-350 for front stage and surrounds in 7.2 setup and crown xls 2500 for 2 stereo integrity 18'' d4 @ 2 ohm. i have to use a rolls mb 15b to increase voltage coming fron umc-200. Please let me know if i am doing something wrong. Thought the umc-200 would supply enough amp out voltage to run both units. I am dissapointed to say the least.
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Well the upa-700 came in today. Only had time to hook up my towers to it. Seems to be louder! But didnt have time to play with it. But on further looking into setting everything up, I have come to realize that my avr pioneer sc-1227 has no 12v remote trigger on it. So I'm quite upset, so you may want to look at the 1522 to make sure it has one before buying anything like I did.
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After properly hooking it all up and calibrating it all the upa-700 made a huge difference. The sound is clear, I mean crystal clear. My center channel used to be a bit muffled at time when there was a lot of action going on in a movie. I watch 2 guns last night and I was amazed at the difference in the sound. Fills the room and sounds great A+ to emotiva great piece of audio equipment.
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Nice!

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I used to own the SC-1222, and returned it. I bought the SC-1522 from Costco for $600 dollars, which has 12v triggers and rated at 130 wpc. I've got 2 Outlaw M2200 powering my front left/right and an Outlaw M200 for the center. My surround and surround back are powered by the AVR. Sound wise is better, and it will play much louder and clear without distortion. I'm now trying to sell my speakers to upgrade with speakers that are better for music. I sold my dual Klipsch RW-12D subs.

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You'll be better off getting an external amp to power up your speakers. You don't need 12v triggers. You can get a smart power strip, which can turn on your amps as soon as the AVR is on. It will be the most inexpensive route.

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I used to own the SC-1222, and returned it. I bought the SC-1522 from Costco for $600 dollars, which has 12v triggers and rated at 130 wpc. I've got 2 Outlaw M2200 powering my front left/right and an Outlaw M200 for the center. My surround and surround back are powered by the AVR. Sound wise is better, and it will play much louder and clear without distortion. I'm now trying to sell my speakers to upgrade with speakers that are better for music. I sold my dual Klipsch RW-12D subs.

Current setup:
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Amps (2) Outlaw M2200 and (1) Outlaw M200.

You'll be better off getting an external amp to power up your speakers. You don't need 12v triggers. You can get a smart power strip, which can turn on your amps as soon as the AVR is on. It will be the most inexpensive route.

I have one RW-12D and thinking of getting a second. Why did you sell yours, and what are you replacing them with? Thanks.

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I have one RW-12D and thinking of getting a second. Why did you sell yours, and what are you replacing them with? Thanks.

I sold both of mine Klipsch for $400 bucks. I was thinking of doing a DIY sub, but now I'm leaning towards the LV12R or PSA-XV15. At the moment, I am more interested in replacing my front 3 speakers or my whole set up, but so far I haven't been able to sell them. I want speakers that are best for music rather than movies. So, the sub will have to wait.

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Take a look at some cerwin Vegas, if you interested in sound for music. There not bad for movies aswell, and won't break the bank either.
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Take a look at some cerwin Vegas, if you interested in sound for music. There not bad for movies aswell, and won't break the bank either.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I've ever considered that brand for anything.

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Take a look at some cerwin Vegas, if you interested in sound for music. There not bad for movies aswell, and won't break the bank either.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I've ever considered that brand for anything.
They can be great party loud type of music speakers, but there are more accurate and better sounding speakers for more critical type of listening.

Vegas can be tons of fun though.

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They can be great party loud type of music speakers, but there are more accurate and better sounding speakers for more critical type of listening.

Vegas can be tons of fun though.

Yeah, I want quality sound not just loud sound, which I am pretty sure Cervin Vegas won't provide. That's why I am looking at the Arx, Emptek, and HTD.

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They can be great party loud type of music speakers, but there are more accurate and better sounding speakers for more critical type of listening.

Vegas can be tons of fun though.

Yeah, I want quality sound not just loud sound, which I am pretty sure Cervin Vegas won't provide. That's why I am looking at the Arx, Emptek, and HTD.
Those empteks are supposed to be really good, and they look sexy as hell!

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Those empteks are supposed to be really good, and they look sexy as hell!

I know and they are currently on sale. I just which I could get rid of my front 3 speakers. I even reduced the price to $300 for all 3.

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I used to own the SC-1222, and returned it. I bought the SC-1522 from Costco for $600 dollars, which has 12v triggers and rated at 130 wpc. I've got 2 Outlaw M2200 powering my front left/right and an Outlaw M200 for the center. My surround and surround back are powered by the AVR. Sound wise is better, and it will play much louder and clear without distortion. I'm now trying to sell my speakers to upgrade with speakers that are better for music. I sold my dual Klipsch RW-12D subs.

Current setup:
Front left/right Polk a Audio Monitor 70
Center Polk Audio Monitor 25C
Surround Jamo S426
Surround Energy EF-500
AVR Pioneer SC-1522
Amps (2) Outlaw M2200 and (1) Outlaw M200.

You'll be better off getting an external amp to power up your speakers. You don't need 12v triggers. You can get a smart power strip, which can turn on your amps as soon as the AVR is on. It will be the most inexpensive route.
Hey Gus...I only have a pair of RTIA9s and thinking of getting the SC1222 for $400 or HK37000 for $600. Which would you recommend? I am planning on getting a center, rear, and subs throughout 2014. But will purchase an amp before the sub. Any suggestions on an amp too? Was the upgrade to the SC1522 a necessary one I should also consider?

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Which one pulls more current..umc-200, 1522k or pt-7030

No meaningful difference. It is the speakers that do the "pulling."
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Hey Gus...I only have a pair of RTIA9s and thinking of getting the SC1222 for $400 or HK37000 for $600. Which would you recommend? I am planning on getting a center, rear, and subs throughout 2014. But will purchase an amp before the sub. Any suggestions on an amp too? Was the upgrade to the SC1522 a necessary one I should also consider?

I had the SC-1222, but I returned it and got the SC-1522 mainly for 12v triggers and 9.2 set up. Either one will work for what you want, but the SC-1222 doesn't have any 12v triggers, but the HK3700 does come with one 12v trigger. Emotiva is probably the best bang for your $$$ for an affordable amp. I ended up buying 2 Outlaws M2200, and 1 Outlaw M200 to power up my front 3 speakers. I like the Outlaw amps because they come with 12v triggers or you can use their MUSIC option, which pretty much turns on the amp as soonest any sound is being sent to it. It takes about a min. to shut down once you turn off your AVR.

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