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post #4681 of 4687 Old 07-11-2016, 01:24 PM
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Yeah. 720 has the same issue in terms of clarity for Dolby modeler setup. I used to stay away from Dolby volume until I realized you could turn off leveler but still keep modeler function on.


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Strange ARC2 PC program behaiour

Something I don't understand. I have a 5.0 system (the sub-woofer is next step). I have ran ARC several times and here what surprised me.
Leaving ARC2 default (Autodetect), with Front EQ cutoff detected at 90 Hz, I get the following curve (1)
If I change the Front Equalization Cutoff from 90 Hz to 50 Hz I get the following one (2):

Quite interesting that it happened during my test to have (2) as default (this is the reason I have at the end chosen the value 50 Hz as Front cutoff). Not really clear to this different detection of value (I have only moved surrounds)

Anyhow, what mainly puzzles me is how is that, with a front EQ cutoff of 90 Hz, ARC cannot fix the red circled zone!

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Something I don't understand. I have a 5.0 system (the sub-woofer is next step). I have ran ARC several times and here what surprised me.
Leaving ARC2 default (Autodetect), with Front EQ cutoff detected at 90 Hz, I get the following curve (1)
If I change the Front Equalization Cutoff from 90 Hz to 50 Hz I get the following one (2):

Quite interesting that it happened during my test to have (2) as default (this is the reason I have at the end chosen the value 50 Hz as Front cutoff). ....
^^never tried a setup without subs. i wonder it tries to set a cut off freq for the mains at all then. well when the cutoff is 90 there is no eq below that where your circled area is.
so just guessin: i'd try a flat setting (no eq cut off) for the mains to see how it goes. The surrounds will/should transfer the low freq to the mains i would assume. in the end you wanna extend the low freq as much as possible without stressing these speakers too much a target rolling off below 50 looks about right. the eq will try to match the target but only where you say it shall/may do so.... i doubt there is much more in it as seen in your fig. 2. not too bad i'd say.
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^^never tried a setup without subs. i wonder it tries to set a cut off freq for the mains at all then. well when the cutoff is 90 there is no eq below that where your circled area is.
so just guessin: i'd try a flat setting (no eq cut off) for the mains to see how it goes. The surrounds will/should transfer the low freq to the mains i would assume. in the end you wanna extend the low freq as much as possible without stressing these speakers too much a target rolling off below 50 looks about right. the eq will try to match the target but only where you say it shall/may do so.... i doubt there is much more in it as seen in your fig. 2. not too bad i'd say.
I agree fig. 2 is OK.
With flat setting the corrected response is similar to the one in fig 2 (the target is obviously flat, but SPL missing from 15 to 30 Hz can be bosted only to a certain amount)



The same with defaults (i.e. eq=90 Hz) gives the following:
I don't understand the eq curve till 60 Hz: I would expect some more attenuation to compensate the peak at 40 Hz (that in the flat case works well).

Maybe the issue is why that 90 Hz has been detected in a configuration without sub-woofer
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I agree fig. 2 is OK.
With flat setting the corrected response is similar to the one in fig 2 (the target is obviously flat, but SPL missing from 15 to 30 Hz can be bosted only to a certain amount)

The same with defaults (i.e. eq=90 Hz) gives the following:
I don't understand the eq curve till 60 Hz: I would expect some more attenuation to compensate the peak at 40 Hz (that in the flat case works well).

Maybe the issue is why that 90 Hz has been detected in a configuration without sub-woofer
well there is nothing there that could be corrected below 40hz, but for front speakers that is not too bad either. I guess there is a fixed filter in the speakers to cut off below that.
I wonder if the filter settings for sub would effect the target curve in your case or if the target curve is only dependent on cut off freq. setting.

But regardless - in case you can't tell a difference between the 50hz cutoff and the flat target setting I'd call it a day. Depending on your hearing capabilities you might prefer a roll off, but it really depends. You might got have used to that peak at the lower end. There is not much content where it would be very obvious you have a too hard cutoff on that corrected all flat settings, certainly not with movie soundfx.
For a future upgrade an additional sub must be really capable below 40hz. A perfect integration at typical 80hz should be easily doable with ARC then. You then might enjoy the lower freq and better performing mains in the lows. But you also might come to the conclusion you don't need an extra sub at all - better try before buying.
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ARC optimization

longshot try: Try lowering the upper frequency max considered for ARC, say to 1000 or500 Hz.

I think there may only be just "so much" filter capacity/coefficients, and if it can use it all in the bass region you may get better results?
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I wonder if the filter settings for sub would effect the target curve in your case or if the target curve is only dependent on cut off freq. setting.
Yes, I guess so, as front Crossover would be not set to off.
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For a future upgrade an additional sub must be really capable below 40hz. A perfect integration at typical 80hz should be easily doable with ARC then. You then might enjoy the lower freq and better performing mains in the lows. But you also might come to the conclusion you don't need an extra sub at all - better try before buying.
I agree with your suggestion.
Indeed I have tried using the central of my Bose I use as surround: good integration with front, but little effect. But it was quite a poor sub.

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longshot try: Try lowering the upper frequency max considered for ARC, say to 1000 or500 Hz.

I think there may only be just "so much" filter capacity/coefficients, and if it can use it all in the bass region you may get better results?
Many thanks for the suggestion, but it has not worked out.

I have done some listening testing between the two config. i.e detected with front eq=90 vs. modified with front eq=50 (I have done some manual editing of the .arc file you in in my first post ):
  1. with a test sound of 40 Hz test tone the 90 Hz (detected) config has higher perceived volume.
  2. Default configuration does not rumble (as I was afraid of) and quality of sound is richer on detected
  3. Default is better centered (it looks like ARC is optimized for its detected)
So I have switched to detected, only changing center eq to 50 (from 40) as producing a little to much bass

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