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Ok, the construction on my HT is coming to completion. I'm ready for equipment. Since I'm buying it all I can't afford high end of everything. So I'm trying to pick a projector. My theater is 11'10" W x 17'10" L, but only 6'11" high, 100% light controlled, wired for 7.2 sound, sound proofed. I'm looking for a reasonable receiver that won't put me completely out. I'm looking at the Onkyo 818 on cheaper side and Denon x4000 on the more expensive end (for me). Remember, I have to buy projector, screen, and speakers as well. Can ya'll give me your thoughts?

Any other Receivers with these feature sets I should be looking at?
Any Black Friday type deals out there?

Also looking for good speakers reasonable. Is a HT set worth even buying or should I buy individual pieces?



Projector and speaker questions:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500970/projector-help-on-possible-benq-w1080st

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1501036/what-speakers-suggestions

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Is there a Denon x4100 receiver out already?

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Is there a Denon x4100 receiver out already?

no..i'm sure he meant x4k, and to the OP I would choose the Denon as I don't trust the longevity of Onkyo yet.

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my bad...typo...yes Denon x4000. Sorry I can't seem to edit subject

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Check the features of each model determining what you require noting the X4000 is newer with more features.

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fwiw, in your budget I would opt for a lesser avr some thing like this http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1713/DENON-AVR-1713-5.1ch-Networking-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-Ready/1.html and put more money towards the the important part, the speakers.i would also start with a 5.1system giving you better budget for you

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These receivers are comparable but the Onkyo is a bit higher-spec'd…The 818 actually falls in line somewhere between the Denon X4000 and 4311CI….Compared to the X4000 the Onkyo is more powerful, both have Audessey MultEQ XT32, the Denon does Apple Airplay, the Onkyo is THX certified. Denon has 3 yr warranty vs 2 w/ Onkyo...However, the Onkyo being last year's model is almost half the price of the Denon. ($699 vs $1299) at Crutchfield….it also comes with a free wifi adaptor….The 1080p upscaling in the 818 is as good as it gets….

To me it's a no brainer, get the Onkyo and put the $600 in your pocket….I personally love the sound detail of Onkyo's (Denon's are a little exaggerated down low IMO)...the 818 has massive heat sinks and dual fans…..runs very cool, I believe this will make it a long-lasting AVRl….Some older Onkyo's have had HDMI issues…..from what I can tell the newer Onkyo's (inc the 818) don't have this issue…Remember, Denon has had some reliability issues too...

If you are set on Denon look at last year's 4311CI which was $2000 and is now priced the same as the X4000 at $1299….The 4311CI is very high-end, actually made in Japan….more powerful than the X4000, also has Audessy SubEQ in addition to XT32…..can EQ 2 subs…. and is 9 channel in case you ever want to add another pair of speakers….4311CI > X4000…..

The Onkyo 818 is the best deal going right now, period!….Remember for 2013 Onkyo brought out the 828 at last years price for the 818 and lowered the power, dropped from Audessey MultEQ XT32 to MultEQ, 135 watts/channel to 130, pre-outs for 9 channel,…..They did introduce the 929 which is comparable to the 818 but sells for $1299 like the X4000 and 4311CI…….

The 818 is a $1299 AVR for $699…..easy decision….
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I am in the same boat. I've had my eye on the x4000 for awhile now, but the 818 is very appealing with the price it's at.

Regarding the above AVR's, will the 818 or 4311ci pass 4k resolution? I've read spotty information on it, or no one knew in 2012 as 4k sources were not as prevalent as they are now.

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4311 - 1080p only
818 - 4k upscale only
X4000 - 4k upscale and pass through

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Hey all I just wanted to say thank you for the advise and help. I ended up with the x4000 from AVS, JD did me right. I got a great deal on some used Klipsch speakers that fell into my budget, so I went the extra mile and got the x4000. I plan to set things up over the holidays. We shall see how it goes.

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Is there a Denon x4100 receiver out already?

X4100 coming in June 2014 and will support new HDMI 2.0 spec. Marantz is also going to have models out around the same time the support the new HDMI 2.0 spec as well as Pioneer.
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Actually not scheduled until Aug/Sep.

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Actually not scheduled until Aug/Sep.


Aug is Summer but there are always some delays.


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Denon AVR-X4100 (Summer 2014)



Denon X-series: Excellent performance, Excellent usability.


Purist high class design with elegant aluminum front, large two-line FL display and an elegant front door


Fully discrete 7-channel amplifier with 200 watts per channel and multiple-use


full 9.2- signal processing for optimal use of DTS Neo: X and Audyssey DSX


Optimum stereo and surround sound through optimized power amplifier design, selected components and intense sound tuning


D.DSC HD digital circuit


Two high-speed 32-bit SHARC floating-point DSPs


24 - bit, 192 kHz D / A converter


AL24 Processing Plus


Improved Clock Jitter Reducer for best sound quality of all digital sources (HDMI, optical, coaxial)

Denon Link HD for best sound quality in conjunction with compatible future Denon players


Pure direct mode for best sound quality HDMI with 4K and 3D support and Audio Return Channel

4k video signal processing (4k-switching, scaling 4k, 4k GUI overlay)


Digital HDMI video conversion and with 1080p/4k (12-bit video signal processing) allows the connection to the TV with just one HDMI cable in best quality support Deep Color (30, 36 bit) and xvYCC


Advanced Audyssey MultEQ-XT 32 calibration for all 9.2 channels (incl. 2 separate subwoofer channels)


Prepared for Audyssey MultEQ Pro calibration Optimized Bass redirection for powerful bass reproduction with speaker systems without a subwoofer Audyssey Dynamic EQ for crisp sound at all levels


Audyssey Dynamic Volume for optimum, immediate level matching of different materials or sources


Audyssey LFC for optimal nocturnal bass performance without disturbing the neighbors


HDMI repeater with 6 inputs (with InstaPrevue) and an HDMI Front Input (for easy connection of cameras, smart phones and game consoles) and 3 outputs (2 of which are reentrant, 1 separately for Zone2)


DSD support for HDMI Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Dolby ProLogic IIz for the connection of additional height speakers preamp for 11.2 channels (independent subwoofer) color-coded 11, horizontally arranged speaker terminals


Compressed Audio Restorer for optimal sound quality of material support for Zone 2 and Zone 3 (with pre-outs and Surround Back amplifier)


use of digital sources for Zone2 and Zone3 possible (Zone2 with HDMI) CEC protocol, RS-232C port Ethernet Interface: -


streaming 2-channel files (MP3, WMA, AAC, ALAC, FLAC and WAV audio files) from a DLNA server - streaming 24-bit / 96kHz 2ch Apple Lossless and 24-bit / 192 kHz 2-channel WAV and FLAC files from DLNA server - gapless support (for FLAC / WAV to 24-bit/192kHz) - compatible Windows 8/RT -


Internet radio with more than 12,000 stations (MP3, WMA, AAC) - Access to Flickr - Access to Spotify (Premium subscription required)


- Control / Setup the receiver via web browser


- Firmware updates and upgrades Denon Remote App for iOS (in AppStore) and Android (available on Google Play) AirPlay music streaming integrated USB port for connecting portable USB mass storage device, and from your iPod, iPhone and iPad * including Digital Direct Play charging function for iPhone, iPod and iPad


Further improved graphical user interface (GUI Advanced) in 9 languages (including German) for easy installation and operation, including overlay on HDMI picture


Improved Setup Wizard for easy initial installation of the A / V receiver's Sleep Timer Simple


user-friendly, pre-programmed remote control


Very low power consumption in all modes standby<0.1 W (Normal) <0.5 Watt (CEC standby) <2.7 Watt (Network standby)


Automatic shut-off during periods of inactivity


Available in premium silver and black


iOS 4.3 or later



DTS-HD Yes
DTS-ES 6.1 Yes
Output power7 x 200 watts
THX No
Ohm6
DTS Yes
DTS NEO: 6 Yes
Dolby True HD Yes
Dolby Headphone Yes
Dolby Digital Yes
Dolby Digital E Yes
Dolby Prologic II Yes
Dolby Prologic IIx Yes
Stereo Yes
Remote control Yes
ConnectionsHDMI 2.0 (6 Inputs and 1 Output)
Dimensions (W x H x D)434 x 379 x 167 mm
Weight12.3 kg
Housing colorBlack
Stand-by power0.1 watts, 2.7 watts (standby Network)
SpecialHigh Definition A / V Receiver with 7-channel power amplifier, 9.2-channel preamp
Power consumption<0.1 watts (normal) standby, <0.5 Watt (CEC standby), <2.7 Watt (Network standby)
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