Originally Posted by aasen7
Does the Marantz 7008 sound better for music then the Denon X4000. Music ranges from James Taylor to Muse to Sting to Radiohead. Plus late 60's and 70's rock, of course. Currently using Sherewood 972 which I thought sounded better then my Denon 4311.
Thanks in advance
If musicality is of chief importance to you, you really should give a close look at Yamaha. I don't know what Marantz has in the form of DSPs, but Yamahas 2-channel music DSPs are on a whole other level from Denon. I've never liked DSPs, but I was playing with them on a Yamaha for the first time last night and was very impressed. Not only do they measure real, famous? acoustic environments (music halls, clubs, churches, etc) for their DSPs, but they also allow you to tailor each DSP to your likeing. I don't know, maybe it's more commonplace now, but they also allow limited adjustment of DTS neo 6 music, and DPL II(x) music settings than what I've seen in Denon's I've owned, at least the 3030 does.
I think of Marantz and Denon both as being more movie focused. And with XT32, they may be better for movies, unless you're into manually tweaking EQ yourself, which is the only way Yamaha still competes with XT32 for movies IMO, unless you're in a room that doesn't need much correction, as YPAO is behind XT from what I've heard so far, much less XT32. I've seen YPAO compared to Audyssey MultiEQ, and that's probably in line with what I've heard so far. But after manual tweaking the built-in EQ, with maybe a little external help with sub 31Hz frequencies, if needed, the Yamaha may be more akin to an Audyssey Pro calibration - maybe. That last part might be a stretch, considering the number of filters Audyssey would use with an XT32 based pro cal. Or maybe not. Maybe someone who knows more about manual EQ than me can chime in there.
If it helps, I was able to compare a Yamaha 2030, Marantz 7007, and Denon 4000 in the same room, same speakers, supposedly level matched at least close enough that I couldn't tell an audible volume difference in the few seconds it took to switch over from one to the other. All were in pure direct, so no EQ was applied. The sound from both the Marantz and Yamaha really impressed me. Both sounded great at high volumes. The Denon didn't sound bad per se, but it was immediately obvious to me and the salesguy - who acted like he was really hearing them compared for the first time - that it wasn't on the same level. The 4000 had a harsher, more processed sound compared to the 2030 and 7007. Had I not just heard the other two, I'm not sure I'd have noticed it, but again, that was just a brief single comparison in pure direct, playing the same couple passages from Potter 8 - hardly conclusive of anything. Though I did have another dealer later tell me he had the same impression of the 4000's sound. He indicated the 4520 was better, but still preferred both Marantz and Yamaha.
Originally Posted by dwaleke
I bet not many have heard both that can comment. I would go back and read reviews from people that have heard both the 3312/3313 vs 4311 to try to understand how they describe the differences. My money says those similar differences will exist between x4000 and 4520.
Not necessarily, as I've heard Denon's build and production standards have fallen off quite a bit lately. I've had two dealers tell me they see higher return rates with Denon lately, compared to other manufacturers. Looking at 4520 user reviews on amazon indicates it's had some production problems as well - though another dealer, told me the 4520's problems seemed to be mostly with early production units. I haven't seen a 4520, but based on specs, the build seems to compare more with my 3808 - which was really surprising, as when I bought the 3808 it was one of their lighter weight, mid-end models, not the cream of their flagship line. I've been a fairly loyal Denon owner for over a decade, having owned the 5700, 5800 and 5805, prior to going to separate amplification with the 3808. Just to give you an idea where I'm coming from.
Originally Posted by aasen7
Has anyone listen to or have the Marantz 7008? I would like to hear thoughts about this unit.
It's a few pounds lighter, but if the 7008 has the same sound quality as the 7007, which I've been assured it does, it should be a great piece.
Originally Posted by enricoclaudio
I have the Marantz 7008 since July 2013 and it's very good for music and HT. I do about 80% music and 20% movies/TV. To me was a very noticeable upgrade coming from an Onkyo 809 with Audyssey XT to the Marantz 7008 with XT32 + SubEQ HT. BTW I'm using the 7008 as a pre/pro because I have external amps, so it runs very cold.
Cold? I'm curious as to why that would be, considering the amps are on, whether used or not, and it's my understanding that the A/V processing generates more heat than anything. Using a Denon 3808 as a prepro, while our Outlaw amp runs so cool one might describe it as "cold", the AVR still feels about as warm to the touch as when running it alone, without the Outlaw amp hooked up.