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Hey guys. I'm gonna be upgrading my system to a 3.1 setup(already have a polk subwoofer). I'm gonna wall mount my plasma and I'm looking for an AVR to power my sub along with decent(sub $500) bookshelf speakers(still looking) and a decent CC. I'm considering the Sony STR-DN840 and the Marantz NR1403. The sony has the most bang for buck but I think the marantz will sound better. Also the marantz lakcs bluetooth connectivity but requires an optional $100 add on. I don't really know the other brands(there are so many). I'm lookin to spend $500 or less on AVR.

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This one gets good reviews and is a better model Sony. It also meets your budget price.

Sony STR-DN1040.

http://www.soundandvision.com/category/av-receiver-reviews
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This one gets good reviews and is a better model Sony. It also meets your budget price.

Sony STR-DN1040.

http://www.soundandvision.com/category/av-receiver-reviews

Thanks. I was looking at this model as well. I'm considering Behringer 2030p's for L/R mains. Will this Sony receiver be a good match for these speakers?

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Sorry can't help you there never heard those speakers. Spec wise there should not be a problem as far as I can tell.
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Sorry can't help you there never heard those speakers. Spec wise there should not be a problem as far as I can tell.

Anything else you'd recommend? Moderately sized living room. Looking to spend $250 or less on bookshelfs. I'm considering the modded AJ pioneers by Dennis Murphy of philharmonic. CA S30's too.

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Anything else you'd recommend? Moderately sized living room. Looking to spend $250 or less on bookshelfs. I'm considering the modded AJ pioneers by Dennis Murphy of philharmonic. CA S30's too.

Have a look at some of these in a shootout. Should have something in the price range you want.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-clash-minispeakers
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Have a look at some of these in a shootout. Should have something in the price range you want.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-clash-minispeakers

Thanks! I'm considering the Cambridge Audio S30's, along with the S50 center. I've read so many glowing reviews here about the S30's and for the money, they're tough to beat. Would the Sony 1040 be a good match for these speakers. I have a cheap Polk sub(PSW10) only 100watts. How much would getting a better sub, i.e. SVS PB1000, make a difference? It will be used for music, movies, Direct TV mainly.

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Another very good AVR to look into. Warrants a serious thought IMO. Hard to beat for that price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882115377&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146852&SID=1nblsghug0pef

Saw that earlier. Is NewEgg an authorized Yamaha reseller? Also, no Bluetooth. I use Google music all access to stream a lot of bluetooth music.

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Saw that earlier. Is NewEgg an authorized Yamaha reseller? Also, no Bluetooth. I use Google music all access to stream a lot of bluetooth music.

Newegg is an authorized Yamaha reseller. Type in your zip code and then choose category. Newegg is listed as an authorized internet dealer.

http://usa.yamaha.com/dealers/
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Newegg is an authorized Yamaha reseller. Type in your zip code and then choose category. Newegg is listed as an authorized internet dealer.

http://usa.yamaha.com/dealers/

Is the Yamaha DAC better than the Sony?

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Newegg is an authorized Yamaha reseller. Type in your zip code and then choose category. Newegg is listed as an authorized internet dealer.

http://usa.yamaha.com/dealers/

Is the Yamaha DAC better than the Sony?

Different models, different DACs. In general DACs are now among the most perfected of all audio components and sound even more alike than even amplifiers.

The largest source of audible differences are probably the system optimization facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO), and while they are all generally advantageous, they don't all work or sound the same.
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Different models, different DACs. In general DACs are now among the most perfected of all audio components and sound even more alike than even amplifiers.

The largest source of audible differences are probably the system optimization facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO), and while they are all generally advantageous, they don't all work or sound the same.

Yamaha uses YPAO, right? Looks like you ordered them from best to worst?

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Yamaha uses YPAO, right? Looks like you ordered them from best to worst?
Most things in life you can't just go by brand. The model always matters too.
In the best model made Audyssey is generally rated better than what Pioneer and
Yamaha offers. In the lower price points the room correction is a wash. The
connections and features matter the most. Sony is the only brand that hands out
Bluetooth with the receiver. Same with wifi for the most part.

I'm running a pair of Behringer B2031P as my fronts on a Yamaha 773 and it
sounds decent. They are rated 150 watt rms 4 ohm and the receiver does that
no sweat. I prefer the wifi to Bluetooth. Longer range and included with this model.
Newegg has the Bluetooth module for $60. Receiver $440. Nice package for $500.
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Different models, different DACs. In general DACs are now among the most perfected of all audio components and sound even more alike than even amplifiers.

The largest source of audible differences are probably the system optimization facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO), and while they are all generally advantageous, they don't all work or sound the same.

Yamaha uses YPAO, right? Looks like you ordered them from best to worst?

Actually, the list was ordered alphabetically.

It is true that my personal best AVR is a Denon AVR 1913 which has Audyssey Multieq and is used with a 3.2 speaker system with the subwoofers equalized and set up separately and manually.

AFAIK there have been no really well-done properly controlled listening tests comparing the many current variations of each system. I also object to calling them room tuning systems because arguably there is no such piece of electronics as a room tuner. I do believe in system optimization and that can be assisted by electronics, but also needs to be done acoustically.
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Different models, different DACs. In general DACs are now among the most perfected of all audio components and sound even more alike than even amplifiers.

The largest source of audible differences are probably the system optimization facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO), and while they are all generally advantageous, they don't all work or sound the same.

Yamaha uses YPAO, right? Looks like you ordered them from best to worst?

Actually, the list was ordered alphabetically.

It is true that my personal best AVR is a Denon AVR 1913 which has Audyssey Multieq and is used with a 3.2 speaker system with the subwoofers equalized and set up separately and manually.

AFAIK there have been no really well-done properly controlled listening tests comparing the many current variations of each system. I also object to calling them room tuning systems because arguably there is no such piece of electronics as a room tuner. I do believe in system optimization and that can be assisted by electronics, but also needs to be done acoustically.

Hmm. That's high praise for the 1913. I'll have to put that on my avr shortlist. What makes the 1913 your top choice?

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I generally like Denon receivers as I prefer Audyssey, but Yamaha receivers are usually second on my list and that's a good deal on the 773.
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I'd also suggest looking into the Denon AVR-X1000 as it uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT than does the 1913.
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I'd also suggest looking into the Denon AVR-X1000 as it uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT than does the 1913.

How does the aforementioned Yamaha 773 compare to the X1000? They are both roughly the same price right now. Also I do a lot of bluetooth music streaming. Since neither of these have bluetooth built in, I could simply use something like this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bluetooth-music-receiver/5654132.p?id=1218679203690&skuId=5654132&st=rocketfish+bluetooth&cp=1&lp=1&ref=199&loc=je6NUbpObpQ&siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-wkNu2mUreywY3nYS1EGALw without issue?

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The X1000 can EQ the subwoofer whereas the 773 cannot. Review the features of each as another way to determine which you might prefer.

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How does the aforementioned Yamaha 773 compare to the X1000? They are both roughly the same price right now. Also I do a lot of bluetooth music streaming. Since neither of these have bluetooth built in, I could simply use something like this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bluetooth-music-receiver/5654132.p?id=1218679203690&skuId=5654132&st=rocketfish+bluetooth&cp=1&lp=1&ref=199&loc=je6NUbpObpQ&siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-wkNu2mUreywY3nYS1EGALw without issue?
Equalizing the subwoofer takes a lot of cpu power. Any product with audyssey multieq does automatic eq of the subwoofer. Yamaha and most other brands don't auto eq the subwoofer until the very expensive models. That is their main weakness. None of these models will allow manual eq of the subwoofer. Yamaha allows front speakers to parametric eq down to 30hz center with variable center and q factor. The denon lowest manual eq is 60hz center and no q factor. Where the Yamaha 773 excels is the rear connections. It blows away the x3000 there and almost equals the $1100 x4000. The Yamaha Bluetooth is $60. That $40 model should work.?? Sell the wifi module and a wash.
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Different models, different DACs. In general DACs are now among the most perfected of all audio components and sound even more alike than even amplifiers.

The largest source of audible differences are probably the system optimization facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO), and while they are all generally advantageous, they don't all work or sound the same.

Yamaha uses YPAO, right? Looks like you ordered them from best to worst?

Actually, the list was ordered alphabetically.

It is true that my personal best AVR is a Denon AVR 1913 which has Audyssey Multieq and is used with a 3.2 speaker system with the subwoofers equalized and set up separately and manually.

AFAIK there have been no really well-done properly controlled listening tests comparing the many current variations of each system. I also object to calling them room tuning systems because arguably there is no such piece of electronics as a room tuner. I do believe in system optimization and that can be assisted by electronics, but also needs to be done acoustically.

Hmm. That's high praise for the 1913. I'll have to put that on my avr shortlist. What makes the 1913 your top choice?

I was already doing room eq with parametric eqs, mics and analysis software, so I couldn't see spending the extra the extra money on Audyssey Multieq XT or XT32..

I didn't mean to go overboard on recommending the 1913 as its is just OK in my view. I'm on a fixed income and paying less than $300 for it was just fine.
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