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All,

Both are available for almost the same price point. Which one would you get?
I don't need the amplifier section just the pre-pro
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The UMC-200 has no amplifiers, it's just a pre/pro.

the 818 on the other hand has everything you need. wink.gif

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If I had the amp the UMC. Would not purchase anything from Onkyo until they have cured their HDMI board problems. Far too many failures at this time.
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Could you document HDMI problems with the 818 and the current line up of Onkyos?  At this time?  I am skeptical of this.

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Could you document HDMI problems with the 818 and the current line up of Onkyos?  At this time?  I am skeptical of this.

Below is just one of many threads with these HDMI failures. The man which started this very site could not recommend Onkyo at this time due to his own 818 HDMI board failure after very little use. There other threads along the same lines and even a very lengthy one on how to do the repairs yourself. These board problems aren't only with new models, they started several years back with their 600 series and are still occurring to this day. I am not an Onkyo hater either. I have two of them. One without a HDMI board (696) and one with(876) and both still work. However IMO Onkyo has a major problem with their HDMI boards and has done nothing to fix it. And besides that their customer service reputation is well known as some of the worst out there.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455911/onkyo-hdmi-failures
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That thread includes Onkyo models from the last 4 years and does not document current models nor the 818 in any meaningful way.  I had wondered if a recall notice had been issued, or the BBB had come down on Onkyo.  

 

The problem is, what is the failure rate of current models?  How many units sold vs how many units fail?  Do you have any threads like that?   Your opinion may be to warn others off, but without any specific data, it's just another opinion.  I've got one too based on owning 2 trouble free Onkyos for over 4 years, but my opinion only counts for my specific experience.  People who have issues tend to post comments far more than people who've experienced no issues, so it's hard to quantify the failure rate from a thread.

 

Anyway, as others have mentioned, the UMC can't run speakers so the OP would seem to need an AVR like the Onkyo.  At that price, the 818 is a real steal with the Audyssey 32XT.

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+1 on phantom's recommendation to steer clear of Onkyo for the time being. To anyone that has been on this forum for more than a year the problems are well known.

To the OP - I'd stay away from the UMC-200 as well. I've owned both of these units and if I had to choose from the two I'd pick the Onkyo - then sell it asap. In that price range I'd be looking at the Denon X4000 or the Marantz 6008. Or my current favorites - Yamaha. The TOTL 3010 (2010 model) is only $988.
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That thread includes Onkyo models from the last 4 years and does not document current models nor the 818 in any meaningful way.  I had wondered if a recall notice had been issued, or the BBB had come down on Onkyo.  

The problem is, what is the failure rate of current models?  How many units sold vs how many units fail?  Do you have any threads like that?   Your opinion may be to warn others off, but without any specific data, it's just another opinion.  I've got one too based on owning 2 trouble free Onkyos for over 4 years, but my opinion only counts for my specific experience.  People who have issues tend to post comments far more than people who've experienced no issues, so it's hard to quantify the failure rate from a thread.

Anyway, as others have mentioned, the UMC can't run speakers so the OP would seem to need an AVR like the Onkyo.  At that price, the 818 is a real steal with the Audyssey 32XT.

Really. Ralph Potts stated in that thread his 818 failed in a very short time with very limited use. As for the comment on people that tend to post here and other places with only problems that's just plain silly. How many people buy these AVR's(any brand) and know nothing about these forums that have problems and you or I never hear from? As many units as Onkyo sells I would suspect that failure rate to be very high that you never hear about. And by the way you really need to read the various model threads from Onkyo owners that do have problems with current and past models. You can't find any model threads that don't or haven't had HDMI problems. You have an Onkyo and I hope that you don't have any problems whatsoever, but think about these current problems when you turn it on and without warning you have no sound or picture or maybe both. It's a pain in the butt to take these things out of service and then start the process of dealing with their service department and shipping it off. Not worth it IMO for a product from someone that continues to sell a product they know is faulty. And if they didn't know it is faulty why would they issue a one-time out of warranty fix. Sorry for the rant and you are correct it is only my opinion but I will not recommend any Onkyo to anyone here or anywhere else. There are too many other brands that do work as they are supposed to.
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Really. Ralph Potts stated in that thread his 818 failed in a very short time with very limited use. As for the comment on people that tend to post here and other places with only problems that's just plain silly. How many people buy these AVR's(any brand) and know nothing about these forums that have problems and you or I never hear from? As many units as Onkyo sells I would suspect that failure rate to be very high that you never hear about. And by the way you really need to read the various model threads from Onkyo owners that do have problems with current and past models. You can't find any model threads that don't or haven't had HDMI problems. You have an Onkyo and I hope that you don't have any problems whatsoever, but think about these current problems when you turn it on and without warning you have no sound or picture or maybe both. It's a pain in the butt to take these things out of service and then start the process of dealing with their service department and shipping it off. Not worth it IMO for a product from someone that continues to sell a product they know is faulty. And if they didn't know it is faulty why would they issue a one-time out of warranty fix. Sorry for the rant and you are correct it is only my opinion but I will not recommend any Onkyo to anyone here or anywhere else. There are too many other brands that do work as they are supposed to.

Ralph had a bad experience, no doubt, but he is only one person out of how many 818 owners?  No one seems to have any specific data, and that is fine, I was just looking to see if anyone could back up their claims on Onkyo with more than just "read the threads".  I guess the BBB hasn't come down on them then?  Nor any recalls either.  They may have a higher than average rate of failure, or maybe they outsell other brands, it's hard to prove it either way.

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I have an amplifier I only plan to use it as a pre-pro
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The UMC-200 has no amplifiers, it's just a pre/pro.

the 818 on the other hand has everything you need. wink.gif
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All,

Both are available for almost the same price point. Which one would you get?
I don't need the amplifier section just the pre-pro
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Do you have measuring equipment and room acoustics expertise? If yes, then the manual PEQ of the UMC-200 might be something for you. If not, I would recommend the Onkyo. Many more features, no bugs (as opposed to the UMC-200) and built-in amp. I own both.

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I have an spl meter and some limited experience with room eq.

You have both? Which sounds better? I am most interested in sound performance. I don't care much about video scaling or internet radio

So audussey xt32 or para eq? What wins?
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https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/975.html
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+1 on phantom's recommendation to steer clear of Onkyo for the time being. To anyone that has been on this forum for more than a year the problems are well known.

To the OP - I'd stay away from the UMC-200 as well. I've owned both of these units and if I had to choose from the two I'd pick the Onkyo - then sell it asap. In that price range I'd be looking at the Denon X4000 or the Marantz 6008. Or my current favorites - Yamaha. The TOTL 3010 (2010 model) is only $988.

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Good advice smile.gif. I think the Denon X4000 would be the best choice as it has XT32. A bit more than the UMC-200 and the 818 but a great trouble free unit.

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I have an spl meter and some limited experience with room eq.

You have both? Which sounds better? I am most interested in sound performance. I don't care much about video scaling or internet radio

So audussey xt32 or para eq? What wins?

They sound the same. It's just about what features you want. One has to be very experienced in acoustics to achieve the results of XT32 manually. On the other hand XT32 doesn't allow for individual room curves other than the two predefined ones.

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Agree with this. I recently had the UMC200/UPA700 bundle and was debating the NR 818. I ended up getting the UMC200/UPA700 and really loved the sound but had 2 issues. 1: there was a static from the subwoofer constantly and changed 2 different subs and 2 cables and another UMC 200 but could not get rid of the static when idle. Spend lot of time with tech support and they reported must be the wiring in my house (its 2011 build to code house) and the same subs were fine on my Marantz and Integra before. 2. The other issue is Video processing as the UMC 200 will not upscale anything in the video world. Other than that the audio sounded fantastic. I returned the UMC200/UPA700 and got the NR818. I can't say there is a sound difference but they are definately different not necessarily one better than the other. I am pleased with the Onkyo and was happy with the UMC200/UPA700 as well except the issues I mentioned. I also purchased a 20$ USB fan which I put it on the Onkyo and have given it ample air clearance. Even after 8 hrs of constant usage it feels ice cool to touch. Hopefully will be able to avoid the HDMI board issue which I had with my Integra earlier. There is never a perfect solution and there is always something better.
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