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I am currently demoing a marantz av8801, just wanted to hear xt32 and the difference a deciated preamp would make from my current denon 3312. Well I did notice a difference in sound quailty when switching out the two units, music just had more natural sound and movies were crisper. I just dont know if i can swallow the price in upgrading, especially since I enjoy switching components out every couple years. I would gladly purchase the av8801 if i knew it would be a huge leap in sound quality from a x4000 or a 4520. Ive noticed mixed reviews if the marantz actally sounds better than the denon 4520.

Well with out dancing around the question am i just throwing money away tempting my self with this 8801 or should i just end it with a denon 4520 or x4000 and have the xt32 processing and probably slighty better sound quality than im currently getting with my denon 3312. I currently only have a 3.2 speaker set up and in the future id love to upgrade a 7.2 needless to say id never need a 11.2 receiver of any sort.

I am just hoping to hear reviews of forum members that have heard all 3 units x4000, 4520, and the 8801 and can really break down the differences for a 3.2 set up. I do have dedicated amplifiers so internal amps is not really a concern of mine mostly just quality of sound.



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I would hold on until receivers with HDMI 2.0 (4k @ 60p etc.) are available if your 3312 is working fine.
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I would hold on until receivers with HDMI 2.0 (4k @ 60p etc.) are available if your 3312 is working fine.
that was my initial thought , but seeing as we can already pass through 4k at 30fps I don't see a major need for hdmi 2.0 at least for movie viewing, now games that's a different story but I don't see it as a major concern. Still having trouble making up my mind on price vs sound quality against the three receivers. Yes the marantz. 8801 does sound better than my denon 3312, but I never compared the x4000 or 4520. Just want to make sure I'm spending money on the right av receiver/pre.

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Any other thoughts, or opinions. I'm driving my self crazy over here.

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Unless you can do a personal demo, tough call for someone else to make that decision for you.

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Doubt there would be much difference between the two but I'm just speculating. I would almost guarantee though that you'd notice a difference with something from Anthem or Arcam over the Marantz/Denon models. I've read several accounts from people that have noticed major improvements going from the "usual suspects" (Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pioneer) to the Anthem MRX receivers. A local dealer that I bought my speakers from claims that in the $1K price bracket he has yet to find a receiver that beats the MRX300.
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Doubt there would be much difference between the two but I'm just speculating. I would almost guarantee though that you'd notice a difference with something from Anthem or Arcam over the Marantz/Denon models. I've read several accounts from people that have noticed major improvements going from the "usual suspects" (Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pioneer) to the Anthem MRX receivers. A local dealer that I bought my speakers from claims that in the $1K price bracket he has yet to find a receiver that beats the MRX300.

Agreed with that on the Anthems. Before I would spend the money on the Denon 4520 I would go for the Anthem MRX 710. Also same goes for the Denon X4000 the MRX 510 for a little more as for MSRP goes.
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I went to plug in my denon 3312 with my parasound a21 aplifier to com pair against the marantz 8801. I hooked everything up and I'm getting a ticking sound out of my left speaker. I switched back to the marantz and everything is fine. What am I missing ? Thanks, Chris

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I demo'd a AV8801/MM8077 vs. a AVR-4520ci. Very little differences with that combo.

The only advantage I see from the AV8801 is if you have a VERY good amp, you will take advantage of the XLRs for lowered noise floor vs. RCAs.

I might go that route myself just for the XLRs, but it sucks to spend so much money in comparison for a small change , the AVR-4520ci's amp stage is pretty damn impressive at lower to medium volumes
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Thanks for the feedback, the more I use the 8801 the more I'm enjoying it.

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Well I made up my mind and I'm going to be purchasing the av88001 Monday. Thanks for the help.

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Excellent pre / pro, you made an excellent choice. smile.gif
I just have to remind my self not to get to hasty when the next generation of the 8801 holds out. I hope to keep this pre amp for at least 4 years.

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I went to plug in my denon 3312 with my parasound a21 aplifier to com pair against the marantz 8801. I hooked everything up and I'm getting a ticking sound out of my left speaker. I switched back to the marantz and everything is fine. What am I missing ? Thanks, Chris

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Thanks for the feedback, the more I use the 8801 the more I'm enjoying it.

I wish I could have help you!
But never heard those other model you mention.

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Well I made up my mind and I'm going to be purchasing the av88001 Monday. Thanks for the help.

Got mine for a month and could not regret spendind double the money on this unit compare to my old one.
Welcome to the Club and I sure you will not regret it!!!
The Marantz AV8801 do so many things rights and have so little faults (none in my book) that I know it will be there to stay.

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I just have to remind my self not to get to hasty when the next generation of the 8801 holds out. I hope to keep this pre amp for at least 4 years.

I have a feeling that by the time any new HDMI standard gets sorted out, and UHD 4K Blu Ray is actually available, and there is enough content available to watch, and all the bugs are worked out of all these new things, it will be 4 - 5 years from now !!

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Hi guys i have a question what is the differences BTW Denon X-4000 vs Marantz AV8801 using as a pre/amp, i went with the Denon since both have audyssey XT32, in movies the sound quality would be the same i guess, but what about music, i heard marantz would be better with music, but the denon sounds amazing you think it's worth the price differences over the Denon?

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Hi guys i have a question what is the differences BTW Denon X-4000 vs Marantz AV8801 using as a pre/amp, i went with the Denon since both have audyssey XT32, in movies the sound quality would be the same i guess, but what about music, i heard marantz would be better with music, but the denon sounds amazing you think it's worth the price differences over the Denon?

thank you in advance.

Both movies and movies should be regarded no differently when building a system. chose the best component that meets and satisfies your ears when you sit back for music or fire up a movie in the end you have to live with it . Now having said that the 8801 is not a Denon X4000 , its a Marantz 8801 and the attention paid to the overall sound is what I find more than satisfying for both regardless of source material as I use them all and have my system setup as such, as I'm as much a 2/ch guy as I am a movie buff . The bottom line! if the X4000 is getting the job done ! build around it and buy more software wink.gif and by all means enjoy your gear! if not get an 8801 and do the same and call it a day smile.gif
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Hi all,

 

Im kind of in the same situation and need some help too. I currently have an x4000 and was considering upgrading to a an AV8801/AV7701 and MM8077 or an Anthem MRX 710. Will i notice a sound quality difference for the price difference or shall i just stick with what ive got. My speakers are Monitor Audio GX200, GXC350, GXFX, GXW15

 

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Speakers and room acoustics have the largest effect on the quality of the sound you hear. Differences in electronics are a distant third.

Both the x4000 and the 8801 use Audyssey XT32, so there really shouldn't be any difference in the quality of the sound they produce. People have positive emotional reactions to the higher quality analog circuits and other features in the Marantz pre/pro, but the distortion levels in the Denon receiver already are below audibility.

If you haven't already, you should take some time looking through the Audyssey 101/FAQ at http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#post_21782993
It includes lots of tips for getting the most out of the calibration. The instructions in the receiver's owner's manual are woefully inadequate.

Unlike Audyssey, Anthem's ARC provides more post-calibration adjustments, so you can make additional changes if the sound isn't quite right.

Of course, you also should consider investing in a spectrum analyzer so you can determine specifically what needs to be improved.

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Speakers and room acoustics have the largest effect on the quality of the sound you hear. Differences in electronics are a distant third.

Of course, you also should consider investing in a spectrum analyzer so you can determine specifically what needs to be improved.

Do you have a recommendation for a low cost spectrum analyzer? I don't need one but would like to try one and have fun and learn a few things.
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Hi guys i have a question what is the differences BTW Denon X-4000 vs Marantz AV8801 using as a pre/amp, i went with the Denon since both have audyssey XT32, in movies the sound quality would be the same i guess, but what about music, i heard marantz would be better with music, but the denon sounds amazing you think it's worth the price differences over the Denon?

thank you in advance.

Both movies and movies should be regarded no differently when building a system. chose the best component that meets and satisfies your ears when you sit back for music or fire up a movie in the end you have to live with it . Now having said that the 8801 is not a Denon X4000 , its a Marantz 8801 and the attention paid to the overall sound is what I find more than satisfying for both regardless of source material as I use them all and have my system setup as such, as I'm as much a 2/ch guy as I am a movie buff . The bottom line! if the X4000 is getting the job done ! build around it and buy more software wink.gif and by all means enjoy your gear! if not get an 8801 and do the same and call it a day smile.gif

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Speakers and room acoustics have the largest effect on the quality of the sound you hear. Differences in electronics are a distant third.

Of course, you also should consider investing in a spectrum analyzer so you can determine specifically what needs to be improved.

Do you have a recommendation for a low cost spectrum analyzer? I don't need one but would like to try one and have fun and learn a few things.
Thanks

Two popular ones ae OmniMic (~$300) and REW (free software + ~$100 calibrated microphone). Both require a laptop computer, though. OmniMic is easier to use. REW is more versatile. See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449924/simplified-rew-setup-and-use-usb-mic-hdmi-connection-including-measurement-techniques-and-how-to-interpret-graphs/270#post_22823228
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Thanks. I think I will go with REW.
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