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Looking to upgrade my 2 year old Denon 1712... and after reading all these threads and it seems like an NAD T758 or even an ANTHEM MRX series are the bomb when it comes to sound reproduction. I am looking for the best quality of sound for for under for under $700, but would be willing to go a little higher if needed, especially if it makes sense or any difference over my Denon 1712 I have a dedicated 24 x 18 x 8 basement room. 50% Music and 50% Movies

I was looking at the $600 to $700 range and all these popular brands. Having said that, for a little more an NAD T758 can be purchased... Is the sound that much better? I was a Best Buy the other day demoing some of these receivers (not the ONKYO or the NAD) and I could hear a slight difference between the brands, but none of them had BAD sound. just different. I had them paired in Stereo along with a pair of B & W CM9 which were out of this world, but out of my range.

I cant demo the NAD locally, so I am just wondering if upgrading to an NAD T758 will sound THAT much better or a lot of this is just plain non sense......

I should mention that I just purchased a new set of Energy RC70 along with the matching center and I am breaking them in as I have 30 days to give them a chance....... My other set is a pair of KEFIQ70 with a matching center...I have 4 ceiling Energies speakers as surrounds. So far the biggest change in sound is really changing speakers as both of these brands have distinct differences. Just wondering if a NAD receiver will make it even noticeable better than a Denon 1712 or the ones I mentioned above..... I usually play my music in TWO CHANNELs
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Yes there is a difference. At least in my experience. I have owned or use 4 different receivers in the last 2 years upgrading each time  before finally trying out a new NAD receiver 3 weeks ago. I always preferred Yamaha receivers in the past.  Yamaha RX-V595A, RX-V471, RX-V671 and the latest being the RX-V820 Aventage. Then I went to a local Hi-Fi shop and played around with a NAD 758 connected to Golden Ears Triton sevens, Aon 3's and a Forcefield 5 sub. ( I think it was the 5 ) and instantly liked what I was hearing. I always liked the NAD receivers because they are clean and simple looking without a lot of bells and whistles. No air play, No internet, etc etc.  So I decided to buy one and give it a try in my home with my same set up I had with the Yamaha RX-V820. I had my eyes on the NAD T 758 but decided to give the NAD T 748v2 a try because it was $400.00 cheaper. Main difference between the 2 is power, 110 watts channel with 2 channels driven compared to 80 watts channel with 2 channels driven. The 748v2 uses NAD's speaker calibration, the 758 uses a very basic special version of Audyssey. The T 758 has the modular construction, the T 748v2 doesn't.  So far I am very impressed with the T 748v2. Has more then enough power (comparing to the Yamaha RX-V820 Aventage) which is rated at 110 watts a channel. I have a db meter and tested both receivers and I can reach higher levels with a much broader sound with the NAD. I ran both the YPAO and NAD's auto calibration to set my system up and surprisingly both calibration were very similar on speaker size, distances, levels and sub crossover point. I think where the main difference between the 2 brands of receivers is in the Listening modes selections. Yamaha has always had there signature sound that everyone talks about. NAD has a couple of there own. One called EAR'S. I really thought this sounded great thru out the room and house when playing DVD music or CD music. The other is called Enhanced Stereo which did a good job playing all 5 speakers at the same level. I also tested both receivers playing my PINK FLOYD / WISH YOU WERE HERE immersion box set DVD/CD set and LED ZEPPELIN - CELEBRATION DAY dvd DTS HD music and i was much happier with the NAD in how it performed. Don't get me wrong i liked how the Yamaha RX-V820 performed i just like the NAD better ! especially during music payback. My brother now has my Yamaha RX-V820 and it works awesome in his apartment with the Cambridge S30's and S50 center with a definitive Sub. Now i just have to figure out in the next 30 days is the NAD T 758 worth the $400.00 difference it cost over the NAD T748v2 or just keep the 748v2?


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Yes there is a difference. At least in my experience. I have owned or use 4 different receivers in the last 2 years upgrading each time  before finally trying out a new NAD receiver 3 weeks ago. I always preferred Yamaha receivers in the past.  Yamaha RX-V595A, RX-V471, RX-V671 and the latest being the RX-V820 Aventage. Then I went to a local Hi-Fi shop and played around with a NAD 758 connected to Golden Ears Triton sevens, Aon 3's and a Forcefield 5 sub. ( I think it was the 5 ) and instantly liked what I was hearing. I always liked the NAD receivers because they are clean and simple looking without a lot of bells and whistles. No air play, No internet, etc etc.  So I decided to buy one and give it a try in my home with my same set up I had with the Yamaha RX-V820. I had my eyes on the NAD T 758 but decided to give the NAD T 748v2 a try because it was $400.00 cheaper. Main difference between the 2 is power, 110 watts channel with 2 channels driven compared to 80 watts channel with 2 channels driven. The 748v2 uses NAD's speaker calibration, the 758 uses a very basic special version of Audyssey. The T 758 has the modular construction, the T 748v2 doesn't.  So far I am very impressed with the T 748v2. Has more then enough power (comparing to the Yamaha RX-V820 Aventage) which is rated at 110 watts a channel. I have a db meter and tested both receivers and I can reach higher levels with a much broader sound with the NAD. I ran both the YPAO and NAD's auto calibration to set my system up and surprisingly both calibration were very similar on speaker size, distances, levels and sub crossover point. I think where the main difference between the 2 brands of receivers is in the Listening modes selections. Yamaha has always had there signature sound that everyone talks about. NAD has a couple of there own. One called EAR'S. I really thought this sounded great thru out the room and house when playing DVD music or CD music. The other is called Enhanced Stereo which did a good job playing all 5 speakers at the same level. I also tested both receivers playing my PINK FLOYD / WISH YOU WERE HERE immersion box set DVD/CD set and LED ZEPPELIN - CELEBRATION DAY dvd DTS HD music and i was much happier with the NAD in how it performed. Don't get me wrong i liked how the Yamaha RX-V820 performed i just like the NAD better ! especially during music payback. My brother now has my Yamaha RX-V820 and it works awesome in his apartment with the Cambridge S30's and S50 center with a definitive Sub. Now i just have to figure out in the next 30 days is the NAD T 758 worth the $400.00 difference it cost over the NAD T748v2 or just keep the 748v2?


Excellent information.... Yes, the 748 is quite cheaper than the 758.. I was just wondering if the 80 watts was enough power to get it done... $400 is quite a difference for sure. Obviously you had to like the 748 than much more to give away the 820 to your brother.... My understanding is that the 820 is a nice mid range yamaha unit. What speakers are you using with your NAD? One of the problems with some of these very HIGH END stores is that they usually carry amazing and $$ speakers.
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Probably already know the difference but below is a comparison between the two mentioned NAD's.Have no idea what you had to pay for the T748V2 but the prices below are excellent buys.

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?compareItems=01|745T748V2&compareItems=01|745T758&g=10420
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Yes there is a difference. At least in my experience. I have owned or use 4 different receivers in the last 2 years upgrading each time  before finally trying out a new NAD receiver 3 weeks ago. I always preferred Yamaha receivers in the past.  Yamaha RX-V595A, RX-V471, RX-V671 and the latest being the RX-V820 Aventage. Then I went to a local Hi-Fi shop and played around with a NAD 758 connected to Golden Ears Triton sevens, Aon 3's and a Forcefield 5 sub. ( I think it was the 5 ) and instantly liked what I was hearing. I always liked the NAD receivers because they are clean and simple looking without a lot of bells and whistles. No air play, No internet, etc etc.  So I decided to buy one and give it a try in my home with my same set up I had with the Yamaha RX-V820. I had my eyes on the NAD T 758 but decided to give the NAD T 748v2 a try because it was $400.00 cheaper. Main difference between the 2 is power, 110 watts channel with 2 channels driven compared to 80 watts channel with 2 channels driven. The 748v2 uses NAD's speaker calibration, the 758 uses a very basic special version of Audyssey. The T 758 has the modular construction, the T 748v2 doesn't.  So far I am very impressed with the T 748v2. Has more then enough power (comparing to the Yamaha RX-V820 Aventage) which is rated at 110 watts a channel. I have a db meter and tested both receivers and I can reach higher levels with a much broader sound with the NAD. I ran both the YPAO and NAD's auto calibration to set my system up and surprisingly both calibration were very similar on speaker size, distances, levels and sub crossover point. I think where the main difference between the 2 brands of receivers is in the Listening modes selections. Yamaha has always had there signature sound that everyone talks about. NAD has a couple of there own. One called EAR'S. I really thought this sounded great thru out the room and house when playing DVD music or CD music. The other is called Enhanced Stereo which did a good job playing all 5 speakers at the same level. I also tested both receivers playing my PINK FLOYD / WISH YOU WERE HERE immersion box set DVD/CD set and LED ZEPPELIN - CELEBRATION DAY dvd DTS HD music and i was much happier with the NAD in how it performed. Don't get me wrong i liked how the Yamaha RX-V820 performed i just like the NAD better ! especially during music payback. My brother now has my Yamaha RX-V820 and it works awesome in his apartment with the Cambridge S30's and S50 center with a definitive Sub. Now i just have to figure out in the next 30 days is the NAD T 758 worth the $400.00 difference it cost over the NAD T748v2 or just keep the 748v2?


Excellent information.... Yes, the 748 is quite cheaper than the 758.. I was just wondering if the 80 watts was enough power to get it done... $400 is quite a difference for sure. Obviously you had to like the 748 than much more to give away the 820 to your brother.... My understanding is that the 820 is a nice mid range yamaha unit. What speakers are you using with your NAD? One of the problems with some of these very HIGH END stores is that they usually carry amazing and $$ speakers.

Right now I am using the Cambridge Audio Minx S325v2 5.1 system which is a Sub/Satellite system consisting of 5 Minx 21 BMR drivers with there X300 subwoofer. We also tested both receivers with my brothers Cambridge S30's bookshelfs on 31" stands, S50 center with my Cambridge X300 subwoofer with the crossover set at 80hz and the NAD just did an outstanding job at producing better sounding music in my opinion. I was kinda worried about the low 80 watts x 2 rating of the NAD T748v2 to but as you will read in these forums NAD receivers are conservative on there power ratings compared to other brand Receivers. Plus I am running a Subwoofer for my low frequencies so this helps the Receiver have plenty of power for the other speakers. Again comparing it to the Yamaha RX-A820 higher power rating it really wasn't an issue. I could be wrong but to me the NAD actually seemed to have more then the Yamaha. I wouldn't worry to much about the power rating difference between the T758 and T748v2 unless your speakers have very low sensitivity ratings. I am sure the experts on here can chine in on that subject.


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Hey RK just wondering how you're liking your NAD 748v2??? I'm getting ready to pick one up for my Definitive home theater system...I'm running 2 PM1000's & a PC2000 all of which have an efficiency rating of 91db. From your excellent description above, I don't see myself needing anything more powerful like for instance the 758...Would love to hear what else you may have to say about your 748...


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Hey RK just wondering how you're liking your NAD 748v2??? I'm getting ready to pick one up for my Definitive home theater system...I'm running 2 PM1000's & a PC2000 all of which have an efficiency rating of 91db. From your excellent description above, I don't see myself needing anything more powerful like for instance the 758...Would love to hear what else you may have to say about your 748...


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Most of the $400 price difference is likely attributed to the 758 being modular. It has several modules available to add additional ports, such as Ethernet or a module to upgrade to Audyssey XT. They are probably fairly expensive but cheaper than getting a new AVR. I'm sure they'll have a HDMI 2.0 module once it becomes more common place.

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Hey RK just wondering how you're liking your NAD 748v2??? I'm getting ready to pick one up for my Definitive home theater system...I'm running 2 PM1000's & a PC2000 all of which have an efficiency rating of 91db. From your excellent description above, I don't see myself needing anything more powerful like for instance the 758...Would love to hear what else you may have to say about your 748...


Thanks so much!
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Well, The short answer is I liked the NAD 748v2 a lot. But after owning it for 59 days I sent it back to Crutchfield because I was going to upgrade to the NAD 758 because of the 7.1 ch inputs and the Audyssey (even if it was only the basic) plus a few other reasons. In the mean time while waiting for the credit on the NAD 748v2 I went down to my favorite BB magnolia store to shop for a new TV. Well, I ended up walking out of there with a new TV plus the Marantz SR5008 AVR. It has 7.1 pre outs & 7.1 ch inputs plus Audyssey XT. I couldn't turn down the deal they gave me for buying both together! I have owned a HK-3490 receiver, 3 Yamaha AVR receivers including the RX-A820, NAD 748v2 and now the Marantz SR5008 in the last 2 years. Before I bought the Marantz SR5008 I kept reading how Audyssey XT or XT32 will make a difference! So I had to at least try it. Wow, did it ever!  I still can't believe what it did for my room set up and sound! Yes I enjoyed the NAD for music playback but I watch a lot of movies in 5.1 and live music concerts on Blu-Ray and this is where the Marantz SR5008 shines. My brother still owns my Yamaha RX-V820 and we are just in awe at what the difference the Marantz with the Audyssey XT did in my room set up compared to the Yamaha or NAD. I would really be curious as to what the NAD 758 with the board upgrade to Audyssey XT would be like?? If you like I can give you a run down on what I did and didn't like about the 748v2 after 59 days of use. By the way Crutchfield has a scratch & dent 748v2 for $509.00. it might very well be the one that I sent back. I can tell you it's like NEW no dings or scratches and boxed back up just like new. Worked perfectly. By the way I installed some Definitive Technology Di 5.5R in ceiling speakers last week for my surround speakers so I will be switching over to Def Tech Mythos Gem XL for my fronts and a PC1000 center. I really hate to get ride of my Cambridge Minx system as it has been an outstanding 5.1 system. I am hoping the Def Tech's do as well!


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Good thread!

 

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Crutchfield has a scratch & dent 748v2 for $509.00. it might very well be the one that I sent back. 

Yours is probably the "open box" unit for $539.99. 


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Crutchfield has a scratch & dent 748v2 for $509.00. it might very well be the one that I sent back.

Yours is probably the "open box" unit for $539.99.

Yes, your probably right. I didn't see that one listed but do now.


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Well, The short answer is I liked the NAD 748v2 a lot. But after owning it for 59 days I sent it back to Crutchfield because I was going to upgrade to the NAD 758 because of the 7.1 ch inputs and the Audyssey (even if it was only the basic) plus a few other reasons. In the mean time while waiting for the credit on the NAD 748v2 I went down to my favorite BB magnolia store to shop for a new TV. Well, I ended up walking out of there with a new TV plus the Marantz SR5008 AVR. It has 7.1 pre outs & 7.1 ch inputs plus Audyssey XT. I couldn't turn down the deal they gave me for buying both together! I have owned a HK-3490 receiver, 3 Yamaha AVR receivers including the RX-A820, NAD 748v2 and now the Marantz SR5008 in the last 2 years. Before I bought the Marantz SR5008 I kept reading how Audyssey XT or XT32 will make a difference! So I had to at least try it. Wow, did it ever!  I still can't believe what it did for my room set up and sound! Yes I enjoyed the NAD for music playback but I watch a lot of movies in 5.1 and live music concerts on Blu-Ray and this is where the Marantz SR5008 shines. My brother still owns my Yamaha RX-V820 and we are just in awe at what the difference the Marantz with the Audyssey XT did in my room set up compared to the Yamaha or NAD. I would really be curious as to what the NAD 758 with the board upgrade to Audyssey XT would be like?? If you like I can give you a run down on what I did and didn't like about the 748v2 after 59 days of use. By the way Crutchfield has a scratch & dent 748v2 for $509.00. it might very well be the one that I sent back. I can tell you it's like NEW no dings or scratches and boxed back up just like new. Worked perfectly. By the way I installed some Definitive Technology Di 5.5R in ceiling speakers last week for my surround speakers so I will be switching over to Def Tech Mythos Gem XL for my fronts and a PC1000 center. I really hate to get ride of my Cambridge Minx system as it has been an outstanding 5.1 system. I am hoping the Def Tech's do as well!

Please let us know why you preferred the SR5008. In what ways did the Audyssey XT make a difference to your movie experience ? In what ways was the NAD T748 different from the SR5008 in movies and music ?

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Please let us know why you preferred the SR5008. In what ways did the Audyssey XT make a difference to your movie experience ? In what ways was the NAD T748 different from the SR5008 in movies and music ?

Thanks a ton.

I'm interested as well. I'm waiting to pick up a NAD 758, and never much cared for Marantz. Now this is the second review that mentions preferred results pairing the def-techs with Marantz instead of NAD.

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The NAD 758 is an excellent receiver and you should like it a lot. I played with one at a Hi-Fi store with Golden Ear speakers and the system sounded awesome. The Yamaha RX-V 820, NAD T748v2 and Marantz SR5008 are all good receivers and each have there strong points. But for me the Marantz SR5008 is a clear step up for my room set up. I can contribute this all to the Audyssey XT that comes in the Marantz SR5008 since I used the same speakers, same room, same auto calibration procedures with all 3 receivers. There just isn't any comparison between the basic room calibration that the NAD T748 offers and the Audyssey XT. The Yamaha YPAO system is better then the NAD but still far behind the Audyssey XT. The Audyssey pretty much improved every aspect of my 5.1 surround sound set up for movie's. It was like i bought a whole new speaker system ( which i didn't). Low volume listening, high volume listening, dynamics, blending of the satellites with the subwoofer, center channel performance were all greatly improved with the Marantz receiver. It was just more enjoyable to watch a movie with the SR5008 then the other receivers. I think the biggest improvement was what the Audyssey XT did with my Subwoofer and bass output. It is much louder, more detailed, more pronounced, ( not so muddy or boomy ). You don't hear the subwoofer as often but when you do hear it, it sure makes it's presents much more then with the NAD or Yamaha receiver. As far as other features the Marantz OSD is easier to use, more detailed, easier to navigate thru and find what you are looking for. I enjoy using the Marantz receiver and changing settings because it's very user friendly. The remote control is really nice on the Marantz SR5008. You can find what you are looking for fast and can make changes with ease. The NAD remote control was a nightmare to use and was it's biggest downfall. I would definitely get a Logitech  remote if buying the NAD receiver. Don't know if the NAD 758 remote is the same as the T748v2?? Really I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 3 receivers. They all have there own sound signature. My brother still owns and uses my Yamaha RX-V820 in his apartment and loves it. Again what works for my room may be completely different then what works in your room or your speaker set up. Best thing to do is pick one try it out in your room set up and see what you think. That's the only way your going to know for sure if you like it.


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Thank you for the reply. I have a pioneer, and the MCACC was disappointing. Only after disabling it, was I decently happy running my BP-8080's

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The NAD 758 is an excellent receiver and you should like it a lot. I played with one at a Hi-Fi store with Golden Ear speakers and the system sounded awesome. The Yamaha RX-V 820, NAD T748v2 and Marantz SR5008 are all good receivers and each have there strong points. But for me the Marantz SR5008 is a clear step up for my room set up. I can contribute this all to the Audyssey XT that comes in the Marantz SR5008 since I used the same speakers, same room, same auto calibration procedures with all 3 receivers. There just isn't any comparison between the basic room calibration that the NAD T748 offers and the Audyssey XT. The Yamaha YPAO system is better then the NAD but still far behind the Audyssey XT. The Audyssey pretty much improved every aspect of my 5.1 surround sound set up for movie's. It was like i bought a whole new speaker system ( which i didn't). Low volume listening, high volume listening, dynamics, blending of the satellites with the subwoofer, center channel performance were all greatly improved with the Marantz receiver. It was just more enjoyable to watch a movie with the SR5008 then the other receivers. I think the biggest improvement was what the Audyssey XT did with my Subwoofer and bass output. It is much louder, more detailed, more pronounced, ( not so muddy or boomy ). You don't hear the subwoofer as often but when you do hear it, it sure makes it's presents much more then with the NAD or Yamaha receiver. As far as other features the Marantz OSD is easier to use, more detailed, easier to navigate thru and find what you are looking for. I enjoy using the Marantz receiver and changing settings because it's very user friendly. The remote control is really nice on the Marantz SR5008. You can find what you are looking for fast and can make changes with ease. The NAD remote control was a nightmare to use and was it's biggest downfall. I would definitely get a Logitech  remote if buying the NAD receiver. Don't know if the NAD 758 remote is the same as the T748v2?? Really I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 3 receivers. They all have there own sound signature. My brother still owns and uses my Yamaha RX-V820 in his apartment and loves it. Again what works for my room may be completely different then what works in your room or your speaker set up. Best thing to do is pick one try it out in your room set up and see what you think. That's the only way your going to know for sure if you like it.


thanks a lot for such a detailed reply but u missed mentioning one aspect of the comparison which I may ask....

1. How is the sound signature of the marantz different from the nad ?

2. The nad has an option to add a module which gives auddessy xt, albeit at additional cost. However If you could have the auddessy xt feature added in the nad and get all the associated benefits.... would you still prefer the marantz over the nad or vice versa and why ?

some of us don't have the option of being able to demo all different avrs and kits and have to depend on inputs from fellow helpful members like yourself.

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There just isn't any comparison between the basic room calibration that the NAD T748 offers and the Audyssey XT. 


The same can be said comparing XT to XT32. XT made some nice subtle changes to my system, but XT32 made it sound like I had changed all of the equipment in my room. It has had the same result for many of my friends as well. Unfortunately, XT32 isn't available on the models you are discussing.
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There just isn't any comparison between the basic room calibration that the NAD T748 offers and the Audyssey XT. 


The same can be said comparing XT to XT32. XT made some nice subtle changes to my system, but XT32 made it sound like I had changed all of the equipment in my room. It has had the same result for many of my friends as well. Unfortunately, XT32 isn't available on the models you are discussing.


Yes I am sure Audyssey XT32 would improve the sound over XT, especially if a particular room needs room correction but you would have to step up to a higher price receiver to get it. I was looking at receivers at or below $1000.00. I think the NAD 758 and Marantz SR5008 is a good comparison with each other.


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The NAD 758 is an excellent receiver and you should like it a lot. I played with one at a Hi-Fi store with Golden Ear speakers and the system sounded awesome. The Yamaha RX-V 820, NAD T748v2 and Marantz SR5008 are all good receivers and each have there strong points. But for me the Marantz SR5008 is a clear step up for my room set up. I can contribute this all to the Audyssey XT that comes in the Marantz SR5008 since I used the same speakers, same room, same auto calibration procedures with all 3 receivers. There just isn't any comparison between the basic room calibration that the NAD T748 offers and the Audyssey XT. The Yamaha YPAO system is better then the NAD but still far behind the Audyssey XT. The Audyssey pretty much improved every aspect of my 5.1 surround sound set up for movie's. It was like i bought a whole new speaker system ( which i didn't). Low volume listening, high volume listening, dynamics, blending of the satellites with the subwoofer, center channel performance were all greatly improved with the Marantz receiver. It was just more enjoyable to watch a movie with the SR5008 then the other receivers. I think the biggest improvement was what the Audyssey XT did with my Subwoofer and bass output. It is much louder, more detailed, more pronounced, ( not so muddy or boomy ). You don't hear the subwoofer as often but when you do hear it, it sure makes it's presents much more then with the NAD or Yamaha receiver. As far as other features the Marantz OSD is easier to use, more detailed, easier to navigate thru and find what you are looking for. I enjoy using the Marantz receiver and changing settings because it's very user friendly. The remote control is really nice on the Marantz SR5008. You can find what you are looking for fast and can make changes with ease. The NAD remote control was a nightmare to use and was it's biggest downfall. I would definitely get a Logitech  remote if buying the NAD receiver. Don't know if the NAD 758 remote is the same as the T748v2?? Really I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 3 receivers. They all have there own sound signature. My brother still owns and uses my Yamaha RX-V820 in his apartment and loves it. Again what works for my room may be completely different then what works in your room or your speaker set up. Best thing to do is pick one try it out in your room set up and see what you think. That's the only way your going to know for sure if you like it.


thanks a lot for such a detailed reply but u missed mentioning one aspect of the comparison which I may ask....

1. How is the sound signature of the marantz different from the nad ?

2. The nad has an option to add a module which gives auddessy xt, albeit at additional cost. However If you could have the auddessy xt feature added in the nad and get all the associated benefits.... would you still prefer the marantz over the nad or vice versa and why ?

some of us don't have the option of being able to demo all different avrs and kits and have to depend on inputs from fellow helpful members like yourself.

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I will answer in reverse order.

 

I understand what you are saying but actually you and everyone else does have the option to demo any of these receivers in your home for up to 60 days. Crutchfield's 60 day no questions asked return policy is just for that reason. A lot of other online companies do the same.  As you can see in post 8, I returned the NAD T748v2 after 59 days of use to Crutchfield with no problems. They make it easy for you. They want you to try it out in your home with your speaker set up. That is the only true way you are going to determine if you like the receiver or not. Even playing with one in a store won't do it for you.

 

2. If the NAD T758 was fitted with Auddessy XT like the Marantz SR5008....Then it would come down to price. I like both receivers and could easily be happy with either one of them. The only difference between the receivers would be the different Sound modes that each company uses for music playback. Movie playback should be the same on both receivers if both had Auddessy XT. both have all the latest Dolby Digital surround processing modes. The only other difference I see is the Marantz SR5008 is more user friendly because of the nicer layout on the remote and better OSD. The NAD receiver itself is cleaner looking and built like a tank compared to the Marantz.

 

1. The difference in Sound signature only comes into play when playing music in 5.1.( At least for me anyways ). That is because NAD and Marantz have there own Listening modes that they use. NAD receivers have what is called EARS mode and ENHANCED STEREO mode. Marantz has what is called VIRTUAL SPEAKER mode and MULTI CHANNEL STEREO mode. I used these when listening to music with a 5.1 channel speaker set up. I preferred the NAD listening modes over the Marantz SR5008. Would be hard to tell you the difference in writing .This is something you would need to hear for yourself to determine the difference. The separation of the music just sounded better with the NAD. Even different recordings or sources made a difference in what mode I chose to use but overall I preferred the EARS mode on the NAD. As for Dolby Digital, DTS or Dolby Pro Logic modes both receivers would sound pretty much the same as both have all the latest Dolby Digital surround processing modes. 

 

 

Both are very good receivers. I only preferred the Marantz because of the Auddessy XT and what it did for my system in my living room for movies. If I would had bought the NAD T758 with the Auddessy XT module installed I am sure I would be using that receiver right now because there would be no reason to try something else.

 

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Hoping to revive this thread because this thread has been very helpful. I have been a Yamaha receiver fan for many years. I invested in a pair of Definitive Technology Mythos Ones. These speakers are very odd. To explain, they have absolutely no bass but they are very fast if that makes sense. I bought a huge subwoofer to go with them and noticed I was missing out on the tight bass so I also bought a little subwoofer and still the Mythos Ones were needing more bass so I got two M&K 12" subs for the rear wall.

When I did this speaker upgrade I decided to upgrade my receiver and bought an Onkyo receiver from BB Magnolia that was marked down from $2100 to $1300. The manual on the receiver was like a dictionary and also this was my first network receiver with Audyssey. The receiver was an absolute disaster and with my odd floorplan and multiple subs, Audyssey was a joke. This receiver literally sucked the life out of my speakers. I played with it forever and manually adjusted bass and treble frequencies and levels and still this receiver sounded awful. So I went back to Yamaha. Denon is not an option for me as an older Denon receiver, after being fixed 4 times in 2 months, burned my house down. When I see a Denon at Best Buy they just look so ugly and out of date. They look like they did 15 years ago. So, back to Yamaha. This time I use YPAO instead of Audyssey. It was much less painful and did a much better job. Still in my opinion, a good old bass and treble knob is the best.

Then one day I found a used NAD T743 receiver in a pawn store for $79. I bought it just to see what it was like. I was not expecting results like my Yamaha produced. The NAD was only 50 watts per channel. Now also, I use a good old Adcom GFA-555 external amp that pumps out a minimum 200WPC RMS at 8 ohms so I don't care about the 50 watt issue but I decided to test it without my external amp. It was about as powerful as my 110WPC Yamaha. The NAD just had bass and treble controls, no mic calibration. So when I hooked it all up and powered on my Adcom amp, WOW I was blown away by the "sweet spot" and how much better my music sounded.

Next, I could care less about home theater use. I use it 99% for 2 channel music. My T743 has EARS and ENHANCED STEREO and I've never even tried them. I just use 2 channel stereo. So, I liked my NAD and my setup I had until the lightning strike. Now my receiver is toast and all 4 subwoofers are toast and my external amp is toast as well. My insurance company offers new replacement coverage since I pay extra for that each month. But now I have to get a receiver that uses mic calibration like Audyssey. In my opinion Audyssey has ruined all receivers for music use. Dolby is much the same. Whenever Audyssey comes out with a new version like XT-32 or Dolby releases a new version like Atmos, everyone flocks to the store to upgrade every year. I've heard them all, and I've demoed them all and I'm not impressed because while they may be amazing at video sounds, 2 channel music sound is awful. So, I've asked around and a lot of people say Anthem MRX is good for audio. I'm also interested in a new NAD. But then a couple people have said Marantz SR5008 instead.

The Anthem MRX-310 uses a weird auto room calibration system that you must use your windows laptop to configure and it's not MAC compatible. The NAD T758 has Audyssey, unfortunately. I've read every review on Crutchfield on the T748V2 and the T758 and I've also read reviews on the Marantz 5009. While most reviews on the Marantz talked about features, people didn't boast about it's sound on 2 channel music. On the NAD receivers almost every single user boasts about the incredible sound of the audio. What I found odd was that it seems the people with the NAD T748V2 mention the sound being great more than the users of the T758. Many users of the NAD T 758 say that the "stripped down version of audyssey" has many problems, not a surprise. I found out that the T748 does not use Audyssey. So my question is, what does it use? Which one will sound the best on 2 channel music with a new Adcom external amp?

The T758 uses a modular design but the mods are a rip off. The T758 is also a lot more money. But the T758 does have more inputs. BB Magnolia has a SR5009 on clearance right now but that is one ugly receiver with that tiny little 1" display. I can get the Marantz SR5009 for $800. It has more inputs and more features but does it have that sweet spot that I had with my NAD? What do you all recommend?
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Borrow a cheap windows laptop, or get one for $120 on craigslist, and demo the Anthem MRX. It's room/speaker correction does work.

I'm using a 310 with an external amp and it's great.
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From your post, it seems like you really liked the NAD sound you had.

If you go with another brand, no matter how good it sounds you'll likely continually wonder how much better a NAD would sound.

NAD has always been known for their 2 channel sound quality. This is where they excel. Their ventures into surround have helped them stay in their market niche - not high end, not common store brand - but they have not been as successful in this arena as they have been with 2 channel sound.

I'd determine primary use (2 channel vs movie) and go with the brand that excels with that type of content. You don't seem to value room correction, so look for a model that doesn't have it, or, simply don't use it.
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As far as the Anthem goes, any receiver that I have to use a laptop to set it up is not a receiver I want to own. It's not even capable of setting itself up. Why didn't Anthem make a mic that shows the results on the TV screen? How stupid.

Now, I'm on vacation with my kids and we are in Naples, Florida. We went to two Best Buys. One offered me a Marantz SR5009 for $800. I went to a second Best Buy and it looked different outside. Name brands of hi-end electronics written all over the windows very nicely. I go to Naples Best Buy every year just to look around but they moved the Magnolia store to the back. This place was AMAZING. 4 Magnolia rooms. One room with a drop down projector screen and all the finest gear to demo a home theater room. The rack featured brands such as McIntosh, Oppo, and others. You can see the back of the rack in the window and the wires were amazing and they did a clean job building it. The employee said only 50 of these new Best Buys are like this in the country.

The next room featured all the receivers and speakers. I asked to listen to the Marantz SR5009 with a pair of Definitive Technology speakers that looked similar to mine. The guy played some song with hardly any instruments. It sounded ok, nothing special. I asked for a sound with instruments. He played AC/DC "You shook me all night long". At a volume much less than what I listen to, it sounded so harsh I was cringing my ears. Awful sound. So then he told me he was going to switch to an ARCAM receiver. This receiver sounded even flatter but yet still hurt my ears. His comment was, I bet it's the speakers and he switched to the most expensive B&W speakers in the room. They sounded worse than the Definitive's did. Still the sound was harsh and horrible. I concluded it was probably setup with Audyssey and is setup for movies. They went and got their professional guy and he took me into a room that made me feel like trailer trash. His comment was since I only want 2 channel sound, don't get a receiver. Get a pre-amp and separate amps for the speakers. He showed me a cool McIntosh Pre-Amp that had knobs on the pre-amp for all the frequencies and all you had to do was turn the knobs. I liked that. He showed me monster sized McIntosh monoblocks running a pair of HUGE fat bulky B&W speakers that didn't look like B&W speakers at all. He also showed me a turntable that cost $36,000. This particular room made me sick. He said Best Buy now owns McIntosh which kind of scares me considering Best Buy's stock value, store closings, and dark forecast future. But, he said they just redid a planogram and had to update 2 McIntosh monoblocks so he could make me a deal on the other ones. $20,000 a piece knocked down to $14,000 a piece. All I know is that I don't want and can't afford to go in this direction. So back to the receivers. I thought the Marantz SR5009 sounded horrible but that may just be the way they have it setup.

Also, they have a Marantz SR7008, much bigger, that they can sell me for $900. That seems to be a pretty good deal considering it was $1600 originally. Input anyone?

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I own a marantz 7008 and a yamaha a730 along with 2 nad amps bridged. the nad amps have only been used with the marantz, but since my marantz blew a sub preout(getting fixed) I am now listening with the yamaha. few notes: the yamaha ypao is not in same ballpark as odysseyxt32. the yamaha does not make my speakers sound good after -15 on volume(too much distortion, almost cant even recognize dialogue, just sounds like crap),

now with marantz and nad amp x1 I can be in bliss at 100% on volume, add second amp bridged and 75-80% on volume before higher frequencies start distorting. This level of sound is very loud and can be heard on the street with all windows/doors closed. but the best is its all buttery smooth and no distortion so can actually have a conversation w/out yelling at each other. Im very impressed w/marantz and nad amps. not impressed w/marantz sub preout breaking, waiting to hear cause from warranty fix.

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That's the way my old system sounded too before it was hit by lightning. I used an Adcom GFA-555 external amp but the sound came from a NAD receiver and I could crank it up very loud without hurting my ears. This Marantz SR7008 sounds like a good deal at half price basically but I am reading a lot of reviews of people saying it constantly shuts off all the time and the Marantz service dealer is backed up over a month. I've also heard some reviews of bad HDMI ports and now your sub pre/out breaking. I really want to go with NAD but their "simple is better" approach to their new receivers leaves me with half the connections my old NAD had and half the connections that the Marantz has. Errrr..........
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They went and got their professional guy and he took me into a room that made me feel like trailer trash. His comment was since I only want 2 channel sound, don't get a receiver. Get a pre-amp and separate amps for the speakers. He showed me a cool McIntosh Pre-Amp that had knobs on the pre-amp for all the frequencies and all you had to do was turn the knobs. I liked that. He showed me monster sized McIntosh monoblocks running a pair of HUGE fat bulky B&W speakers that didn't look like B&W speakers at all. He also showed me a turntable that cost $36,000. This particular room made me sick. He said Best Buy now owns McIntosh which kind of scares me considering Best Buy's stock value, store closings, and dark forecast future. But, he said they just redid a planogram and had to update 2 McIntosh monoblocks so he could make me a deal on the other ones. $20,000 a piece knocked down to $14,000 a piece. All I know is that I don't want and can't afford to go in this direction. So back to the receivers....

Input anyone?
U better start running as far away as possible...
That story is a big crock..

Google McIntosh and U will find more details...

Just my $0.02...
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I found out that the big Marantz SR7008 was on sale for half off. I went back to the new Best Buy Magnolia + store and listened to it and the guy said, "You need to remember that these receivers have not been setup with Audyssey because we have so many receivers and so many different speaker options." I listened to the Marantz SR7008 and it was not bad. But then they brought in the pro of the store and he asked me, "If you don't care about home theater and you only listen to music, why are you looking at receivers?" He said, these are all built for video, not 2 channel music. He then said, what you want DOES exist. First he introduced me to the McIntosh rep and they showed me a pre-amp that had ROTARY KNOBS for all the frequencies! No stupid Audyssey, no automatic room correction. And yet, without that room correction, it sounded by FAR the best. So proof that nobody needs all this mic calibration crap, they just need a $4500 pre-amp! Then they showed me the McIntosh monoblocks that were running the speakers and I felt very poor.

But the salesman said not to worry, he was just wanting to show me that the best sound was WITHOUT any room correction or distance correction or with any fancy setup menus. He then showed me a weird integrated pre-amp amplifier with DAC. It was from PEACHTREE AUDIO and was called a Nova 220SE. The salesman said the "class" was much better than any receiver there. It had a built in 250W continuous at 8 ohms and 350W RMS @ 4 ohms. BUT, it has hardly any connections on the back and it is $1599. BUT, remember I need a receiver and still planned on buying a new Adcom GFA-555se for another $1299 to replace my broken Adcom amp. If I went this route, I wouldn't need to spend the $1299 on an amp. But, the Peachtree audio has no room correction or EQ mic setup to run, but it also has no bass and treble controls. It was made to only deliver the sound the way it was meant to be heard, and, I thought it did do a good job at it.

But then I saw a device that had a screen that said BASS and TREBLE. Hmmm....... A Rotel. 2 Channels with no room correction or mic calibration to mess with and with this device, I had control of bass and treble. We set the controls to flat and compared it to the Peachtree. The peachtree was a tad better, but I wonder what the Rotel would sound like if I adjusted the bass and treble. The Rotel was $1499 on sale but it only has 120WPC and I feel if I got that, I would need to get an external amp for my speakers. So really just today, I found out that a whole lot of other options are available. Also, I did do some more research on the NAD receivers and the Marantz SR7008. Reviewers of the Marantz mostly praise the options and the home theater sound. I did find a lot of reviews that said their receivers kept turning off for no reason and I read a few with broken HDMI and one with a broken sub pre-out. With the NAD reviews, the thing that was mentioned the most by users was the sound of MUSIC which is what I am looking for. But apparently the cheaper T748V2 has a proprietary mic calibration program and people loved the sound but when I read the reviews for the NAD T758 it has a customized version of Audyssey and people complained that it gave false readings and was buggy. Since I plan to use an external amp, maybe the $599 NAD T748V2 is the way to go. I don't know at this point. I was also told today that I'm running my subwoofers all wrong for someone that wants to listen to 2 channel music. Apparently I'm supposed to be using speaker wire and then put rca adapter plugs on the end of them and utilize the subwoofer crossovers instead of having my receiver do it, and if I get what they recommended, there is no subwoofer output anyways. He showed me a REL subwoofer that had a special adapter for running it that way. So now I'm really confused on what way to go. Yes I wanted some HDMI inputs on my new receiver but my HDMI selector box works just fine. He also showed me Oppo Blu-Ray players that went from $500-$1600. I commented that I prefer the sound of digital coax or optical over the analog connection on my Integra Dvd player and my Sony ES cd player. He said if I get an Oppo and the Peachtree, they will have great DACs and analog will sound wonderful. So I don't know. That's where I'm at now.
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It is nice to see that my original post from a few years ago still has some wheels. I am going to attempt to answer my own question since there have been some new postings.....

First of all, as of today, I never upgraded my 4 year old Denon 1712. Every time I start the search something else comes up and I end up forgetting about it until the itch starts again. Having said, the Denon 1712 has served me well with 4 years of reliability and decent sounds. Having said that, I started to sample some newer units again and YES THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.

I listened to the Arcam 380, Denon x3100 and X4100, Marantz SR6009 and SR7009, and Pioneer SC81 and 85. The Arcam which was rated with less power sounded the best. Fuller field and more detail. Both Marantz units were a close second, but second nevertheless. Third were both Denon units, and finally the Pioneers.

There is no doubt that any of the brands such as McIntosh, Rotel, Arcam, Peachtree, etc are not only able to reproduce a cleaner and more refined sound, but you also get much less in the form of features. They also cost a lot more as well.

I have not had a chance to listen to the NAD758 , but I am willing to bet that it will sound close to the Arcam, but it retails for half of the price ($999) .

the problem with the NAD and the Arcam is that if you are planning on buying a 4K tv in the next few years, these units are not even going to be able to even pass through the signal.

At this point, I do not really care about Atmos or DTS X Once the technology is universally available, then I might bite.

So if you are looking for great sound at a decent price, I think buying last years models is the way to go. This is exactly what I am going to do. I am considering the following:

THe Denon X3100 selling for $499 (used to be $1000) which can do almost everything. More importantly it has 7/2 preouts in order to upgrade to a nice External 2, 3, 5, 7 amp. This by itself would be an upgrade over my older 1712. Not sure if it will sound any different, but I will the ability to eventually get a nice amp if needed

As much as I like the sound of the Marantz 6009, I did not like the small window. I sit about 13 feet from the TV and I like looking at the receiver when changing things around. The SR7009 was a beautiful sounding unit, but it is still selling for $1999 which is a crazy amount of money.... Maybe it will go on sale soon

I could look at the older Sr7008 as well.

Pioneer is out of the question because I just did not like the sound.

Yamaha did not do a side by side. Would love to hear how it compares....

SO to answer my question, yes the higher end models do sound better and offer a cleaner sound. However it is not a night and day difference. It is a slight difference. One that could become obvious depending on the source you are playing. I only heard these receivers with a set of BMW 683 which is close to what I have at home. Easy to drive quality speakers. Nothing over the top and nothing entry level......

By the way, if you are the owner of a $10K pair of speakers, I am not sure, you would be looking at any of these receivers or units.....This was a blind test done as I am looking to upgrade my receiver.
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Alpharettaboomer, I am SO GLAD you have no bought a new receiver yet. I have been out searched like a mad dog and I have received good information and bad information and I've depended on google to tell me who is telling me the truth. First off, when I read that I guy that was going to get a NAD T758 ended up getting a Marantz SR5008, that just didn't make any sense to me at all. I think he was suckered by the Best Buy vacuum machine. So I went to the Magnolia Store and that Marantz SR5009 they now have, sounds like crap! Harsh unpleasant sound. Now, lets forget the ugly sound and talk about the ugly receiver. The cheapest Marantz receiver has the nicest big display. All of the other Marantz models have a tiny 1" display that I can't see from my living room chair. BUT, the flagship 7000 series does have a tiny display plus a big display under the metal plate that hides all the buttons. So, the SR7008 has an awesome display that you can't see because it is hidden, what a stupid idea. BUT, when you realize that the SR7008 is on sale from $1600 to $800, you can ignore that maybe? So I listened to the Marantz SR7008 and it sounded noticeably better than the SR5009 and I set both of them up to the same specs.

Next, whenever I go to audition audio equipment I always say, NO DENON. Wonder why? I had a brand new Denon receiver that was bad in one week. The place I bought it was an authorized dealer and said this was a common problem and they fixed it and a couple weeks later I was listening to music and I left my room to go to the bathroom and when I returned that Denon receiver was on fire BIG TIME!! We barely we able to get my little sister from her upstairs room! My family lost everything and Denon never helped us out at all. They lawyered up right away and blamed it on their authorized service center, who they still use today! Twenty years later I wanted a basic bedroom receiver with sub and surround speakers and it was at a crazy deal at BIG LOTS! and I bought it out of the kindness of my heart. The receiver's left channels were defective. So again, NO MORE DENON! Why am I telling you this Denon stuff? Because when Marantz's display and body shape changed, that was when DENON bought out Marantz. That is why Denon still looks the same as they did 30 years ago. Once I found out Marantz was a Denon, I was not interested in the good value $800 SR7008 that was originally $1600. Plus now Best Buy is out of stock and the last sellers of the SR7008 have jacked their prices up. When I was interested in Marantz's SR7008 I checked reviews on Crutchfield and there are a lot of people complaining of their units either shutting down or locking up. Also a few reviews of HDMI plug and SUB out plugs that have broken off.

I did find a dealership that sells Anthem. They are ugly in person. I made a comment to the dealer that the dark blue display was just too dark. He said he could turn it up to bright but when he did that, it started to flicker. It did this on both the MRX310 & MRX510. If you took your fist and hit the top of the receiver, the display would go wacko! Plus I told the salesperson that the whole idea of needing a laptop just to setup the sound was ridiculous. I said they should've made the ARC microphone hook into a jack like Audyssey and then run the setup on the TV screen but that would be too easy right! He did point out that the Anthem ARC mic cam with it's own microphone stand unlike Audyssey where when you want to setup each listening position in your room, it requires at least all of your encyclopedias!

We then auditioned an ARCAM and it was lifeless. It sounded good on movies but was not meant for music and the guy admitted that. So, don't even think about that expensive ARCAM.

Finally, let's talk about NAD for awhile. Their website is awful! They definitely don't brag on their units. Their calculation of wattage is unfair to their own company versus everyone else in the world so I don't know why they just won't change it? Next. They show at max 3 photos of each product. Front, back, and front. What? No remote picture? And the overview and specs page leave out everything that these receivers offer! You literally need to download their manual to PDF and read it. It's quite well written. Now, lets talk about the T748V2 and the T758. I was interested in the T758. My budget for a receiver can go to $1600 if I need it. But wherever I can save money, I can apply it to other things. The T758 is a modular design, so what. The modules are super expensive and have to be shipped to an authorized dealer to have them installed and you have to then pay for installation and to ship it back to you. The T758 uses a stripped down version of the dreaded Audyssey and many report false readings until it's manually adjusted to get the right sound. The T748V2 uses their own version of Audyssey but it doesn't skip out on the features that are needed. It does have Sub EQ. The T748 also has a TON of Dolby modes and DTS modes which surprised me, especially since it is mentioned nowhere on their site.

As far as 4K with receivers, that's at least 3 years down the road. The brand new flagship Marantz will be passthrough but it is not HDCP2.2 so it won't play copyrighted 4K. My plan is very simple, once I get a 4K HDTV, I will either have a cable box or I won't yet. I'm not sure about that part yet. But from the the wall to my cable box will give me 4K and from the box to the TV will give me 4K. Now I just need to run the audio rather it be digital coax or digital optical from my 4K TV to my receiver to control just the sound part.

And the best part yet, I found a great AUTHORIZED NAD DEALER with excellent prices on NAD receivers. Those module cards to upgrade the T758 receivers are normally $600 a piece. He is selling refurbished receivers. He said they have no scratches and haven't been in human hands. They just didn't pass a factory test and had to be fixed at the factory and sold as refurbished. You get 30 days to decide if you are happy with the product and you get a 1 years parts and labor warranty. So, I ordered my T748V2 since it seems the people are most happiest with the sound from that unit compared to the one with the stripped Audyssey but there are a lot of happy T758 people out there as well. The reason I mention the T758 for you is that if you buy the T758 now, the dealer will install a new 4K video card for only $199 in September when they come out! If, that is something you feel you need. Now, prices, I just got my NAD T748V2 for $399. That's refurb, no scratches, all accessories, and full warranty and option to return. Also I was not charged for sales tax and I was not charged for shipping and handling. The NAD T758 Refurb is only $699 out the door with no taxes and free shipping and handling. Even if you pick this route and do decide to spent $699 for the T758 and then spend $199 for the 4K video card you'll be at $897 which will include the 4K video card and you'll be well ahead of the game. The other T758 users will be paying $600 +$200 for installation since they do not allow you to install the modules. They will have $999 in the receiver plus $600 for the 4K card +200 for installation plus shipping equaling a minimum of $1800+ S/H both ways. I found a way to get it for you for $897 with the 4K card installed. I still don't think you need that 4K card. I think you'd be really happy with the T758 Refurb for $699 total or the T748V2 Refurb for $399 Refurb total.

I did all this effort on here because I've done all the shopping and investigating. I've learned who is right and who is wrong. And yes maybe Anthem receivers might sound good but they are new and already falling apart. That Marantz with the tiny 1" display is now unavailable for the good deal and the only Marantz receiver that I thought sounded half way good was the flagship 7008.

I've owned two NAD receivers in the past which is why I am so passionate about them. I've owned the little models, both NAD T743 but I did use an external Adcom GFA-555 external amp to pump up the volume. In my tests, the NAD 50W is equal to the Yamaha 110W and is also equal to the Pioneer Elite absurd 185W per channel claim. Also, I've owned many older Harman Kardon's before they were bought out and I loved them. I them switched to Yamaha and I loved them but the sweet sound was bright. Denon like I said is not an option, and Onkyo went from a great receiver to the worst sounding receiver. I bought a $2299 Onkyo top of the line and it was so confusing and it had an awful Audyssey system that even after weeks of fine tuning, it was without a doubt the worst receiver I've ever heard so I got rid of it. When I was at the local audio shop I wanted to listen to a Pioneer Elite. Believe it or not Pioneer Elites do have a good, not great, but good sound. The problem is they are just so fragile. But the Pioneer Elite receivers I listened to sounded like crap. I told the salesman, they sound like an Onkyo. He said, "That's because they are!" Onkyo now took over Pioneer Elite so stay far from them too.

Best sound ever out of any receiver I've ever had were from the NAD receivers. When they hit that sweet spot, it is not too bright but not too warm. I highly suggest trying an NAD receiver out especially through the connection that I am about to give you. The company is called Spearit Sound1-877-853-7425. Their website is: www.spearitsound.com

Please give the man my name when you call for help and ordering. And no I don not work there and I am not on commission, I just know what you went through last time only to receive the wrong help. And with NAD's lack of information on their website, you are left wondering if you are getting a good deal. In my opinion if you are really into music, you won't regret it. Plus I feel a little better everyday when I get somebody out of their Denon and especially when they say, "This NAD sounds SO MUCH BETTER!"

So when you call the man at Spearit Audio, let him know that Ted Hontz referred you because while I am not on commission, I do plan to buy an awful lot of equipment from him and maybe he can give me a discount! Win Win situation!

I hope this really helps you out. I think all that you need is a NAD T748v2 Refurb for $399 but if you know you want that 4K video card, make sure it supports ALL of the latest such as HDCP2.2 compliant and that it supports HDMI2.0A, not just HDMI 2.0. The 2.0a supports twice the rate. Many new Blu-Ray players, yet to be released, are coming out with the dual HDMI video support in and out. You simply go from the receiver into the Blu-Ray and then to the Blu-Ray into the 4K HDTV so that you can have 4K sound and 4K TV on a reciever that doesn't support 4K. This is what I plan to do. I hope I helped you out here and if you have any questions, just let me know and I'll help you as much as I can.

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