Well it's official, the first pre/pro or receiver announced with HDMI 2.0. Will this change anyone's mind about getting it?
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24630637
Seems I never learn
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Originally Posted by audioguy /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24631068
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Originally Posted by audioguy /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24631068
If you ever want to get your panties in a wad, just go visit www.WhatsBestForum.com . You can read all about the voodoo, black magic and other anti-science products with imaginary benefits. Not recommended if you have any blood pressure issues
Just look for papers that go over DAC designs. Even things like linear phase vs min-phase filtering for up-sampling influence the sound in audible ways. Sure, it's subtle, which is why may of those papers include blind testing, in addition to measurements.Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24629407
Can you point to some objective evidence of that claim?
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Originally Posted by rcohen /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24633148
Just look for papers that go over DAC designs. Even things like linear phase vs min-phase filtering for up-sampling influence the sound in audible ways. Sure, it's subtle, which is why may of those papers include blind testing, in addition to measurements.
I use an external DAC with my laptop, because the built-in headphone jack has a subtle but annoying whine that is audible with sensitive headphones. The built-in DAC and headphone jack suffer from compromises, either due to power, space, or cost constraints, or because it didn't receive the same level of care as the external DAC. I assume it's something due to lack of shielding or power isolation. There is no question that it's audible and objectively measurable.
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Originally Posted by copene /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24634961
LOL, you've gotta be kidding me... this vaporware now has a June ETA!? My God. What's team blue saying over there on the lemming forum? Are they still giving responses such as...
"nobody is forcing you do buy it"
"sheesh, nobody's perfect. Do you see the president of Sony posting on their forums?"
"I'll get it when I get it and I'm happy with that"
"everybody makes mistakes, I'm sure Emotiva will address the hold up in a future podcast"
"I don't need 3D so I don't mind that they lied to my face about making my UMC-1 upgradable in the near future"
"grrrrrrr"
When does it all just get to be too much? When are they just going to lay their hand down and say "we're sorry, we've botched this entire thing and we're going to stick to amps and rebadging Chinese made garbage as our own".
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Originally Posted by copene /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24634961
LOL, you've gotta be kidding me... this vaporware now has a June ETA!? My God. What's team blue saying over there on the lemming forum? Are they still giving responses such as...
"nobody is forcing you do buy it"
"sheesh, nobody's perfect. Do you see the president of Sony posting on their forums?"
"I'll get it when I get it and I'm happy with that"
"everybody makes mistakes, I'm sure Emotiva will address the hold up in a future podcast"
"I don't need 3D so I don't mind that they lied to my face about making my UMC-1 upgradable in the near future"
"grrrrrrr"
When does it all just get to be too much? When are they just going to lay their hand down and say "we're sorry, we've botched this entire thing and we're going to stick to amps and rebadging Chinese made garbage as our own".
OMFG. I had to stop after less than one minute when I found someone pushing their $1000 device that breaks in cables .Quote:
Originally Posted by audioguy /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/950_50#post_24631068
If you ever want to get your panties in a wad, just go visit www.WhatsBestForum.com . You can read all about the voodoo, black magic and other anti-science products with imaginary benefits. Not recommended if you have any blood pressure issues
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Originally Posted by runninkyle17 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24635151
While I share many of the sentiments in the post above about this XMC-1 mess; I would not go so far as to call their products "chinese made garbage". Please do not misunderstand me, Emo has royaly botched this whole mess. I can understand delays, but pick a date and stick to it OR don't pick a date at all and just keep consumers guessing.
The feature set is actually pretty amazing at the pricepoint. I will applaud Emo on their ambition and just shake my head at the whole customer relations portion of it. Granted if the XMC-1 actually does come out and has generally positive reviews then I will probably own one since I have dealt with Emo customer service and they are top notch.
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24638293
Cable break in devices have fallen to the $1,000 range? That's awesome!! I can remember when you couldn't reliably break in a cable for less than $3-4k.
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/950_50#post_24638466
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Originally Posted by runninkyle17 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24635151
While I share many of the sentiments in the post above about this XMC-1 mess; I would not go so far as to call their products "chinese made garbage". Please do not misunderstand me, Emo has royaly botched this whole mess. I can understand delays, but pick a date and stick to it OR don't pick a date at all and just keep consumers guessing.
The feature set is actually pretty amazing at the pricepoint. I will applaud Emo on their ambition and just shake my head at the whole customer relations portion of it. Granted if the XMC-1 actually does come out and has generally positive reviews then I will probably own one since I have dealt with Emo customer service and they are top notch.
It is? Seems to me to have the feature set of a 3-4 year old mid-priced AVR. What is it that amazes you? (Exclude Dirac, which is the one feature that might make the XMC-1 worthwhile, depending on the implementation, which is still -- even this close to launch -- apparently secret).
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638545
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/950_50#post_24638466
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Originally Posted by runninkyle17 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/960#post_24635151
While I share many of the sentiments in the post above about this XMC-1 mess; I would not go so far as to call their products "chinese made garbage". Please do not misunderstand me, Emo has royaly botched this whole mess. I can understand delays, but pick a date and stick to it OR don't pick a date at all and just keep consumers guessing.
The feature set is actually pretty amazing at the pricepoint. I will applaud Emo on their ambition and just shake my head at the whole customer relations portion of it. Granted if the XMC-1 actually does come out and has generally positive reviews then I will probably own one since I have dealt with Emo customer service and they are top notch.
It is? Seems to me to have the feature set of a 3-4 year old mid-priced AVR. What is it that amazes you? (Exclude Dirac, which is the one feature that might make the XMC-1 worthwhile, depending on the implementation, which is still -- even this close to launch -- apparently secret).
Aside from Dirac, I find the 11-channel parametric EQ, stereo bass management, and independent crossover settings, multichannel DSD support (though I'll probably still let my Oppo do the DSD-PCM converting), and dual HDMI outputs all appealing.
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638817
All good points but notice how I said "appealing" not "amazing". Unfortunately, or fortunately, the window has shut for me to afford an XMC around the apparent June 2014 timeframe. So, I will watch things unfold from the sideline. If you're right about object based room correction, then I might pass on the XMC all together.
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638895
I can't recall the source, but wasn't it mentioned in a podcast or in the Lounge that Lonnie and his team and the Dirac engineers were attempting to "work out differences" with the Dirac folks wanting to scale back Dirac features and Lonnie pushing for more?
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638739
Nice to have I agree, but...
If Dirarc is as good as hoped, the PEQ should be redundant (unless it can be perhaps used 'on top' of Dirac?). Many low-cost AVRs have dual sub outputs but I agree that it's only those which feature something akin to Audyssey's SUB EQ HT that allows for dual subs to be independently managed. Dual HDMI outputs are commonplace elsewhere at much lower cost. I agree that these features are nice to have but I hardly class them as "amazing" for a 2 grand unit.
But what seems to me to be 'amazing' is what the XMC-1 doesn’t have, for a 2 grand unit. It doesn’t have 9.2/11.2 for example. Or DTS Neo:X/Dolby PLIIz. Or HDMI 2.0. Or networking capability. But the biggest thing it doesn't have is object-based audio, which will be announced almost as soon as the first XMC-1 units reach customers.
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Originally Posted by sdrucker /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/950_50#post_24638978
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638739
Nice to have I agree, but...
If Dirarc is as good as hoped, the PEQ should be redundant (unless it can be perhaps used 'on top' of Dirac?). Many low-cost AVRs have dual sub outputs but I agree that it's only those which feature something akin to Audyssey's SUB EQ HT that allows for dual subs to be independently managed. Dual HDMI outputs are commonplace elsewhere at much lower cost. I agree that these features are nice to have but I hardly class them as "amazing" for a 2 grand unit.
But what seems to me to be 'amazing' is what the XMC-1 doesn’t have, for a 2 grand unit. It doesn’t have 9.2/11.2 for example. Or DTS Neo:X/Dolby PLIIz. Or HDMI 2.0. Or networking capability. But the biggest thing it doesn't have is object-based audio, which will be announced almost as soon as the first XMC-1 units reach customers.
Keith,
Whether or not one agrees that object-based audio is enough of a game changer to imminently make the XMC-1 "obsolete", is it confirmed that the XMC-1 has no networking capability?
Otherwise, I hope that the 4K pass-through and XLR pre-outs are worth the price tag, beyond the Emotiva-specific version of Dirac....or you're a big fan of stereo bass and parametric equalizers...because there's nothing else in this unit that's unique that, say, a Denon X4000 wouldn't have. Even if you don't like Audyssey, an Oppo with two HDMI inputs and a MiniDSP NanoAVR to an X4000 on HDMI input would be almost as useful IMO for most users...and if you insist, you could get your sources to a PC into, say, JRiver, and use the PC version of Dirac RCS and feed that into an AVR or pre-pro....
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Originally Posted by sdrucker /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638978
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 /t/1515163/emotiva-xmc-1-pre-pro/990#post_24638739
Nice to have I agree, but...
If Dirarc is as good as hoped, the PEQ should be redundant (unless it can be perhaps used 'on top' of Dirac?). Many low-cost AVRs have dual sub outputs but I agree that it's only those which feature something akin to Audyssey's SUB EQ HT that allows for dual subs to be independently managed. Dual HDMI outputs are commonplace elsewhere at much lower cost. I agree that these features are nice to have but I hardly class them as "amazing" for a 2 grand unit.
But what seems to me to be 'amazing' is what the XMC-1 doesn’t have, for a 2 grand unit. It doesn’t have 9.2/11.2 for example. Or DTS Neo:X/Dolby PLIIz. Or HDMI 2.0. Or networking capability. But the biggest thing it doesn't have is object-based audio, which will be announced almost as soon as the first XMC-1 units reach customers.
Keith,
Whether or not one agrees that object-based audio is enough of a game changer to imminently make the XMC-1 "obsolete", is it confirmed that the XMC-1 has no networking capability?
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Otherwise, I hope that the 4K pass-through and XLR pre-outs are worth the price tag, beyond the Emotiva-specific version of Dirac....or you're a big fan of stereo bass and parametric equalizers...because there's nothing else in this unit that's unique that, say, a Denon X4000 wouldn't have. Even if you don't like Audyssey, an Oppo with two HDMI inputs and a MiniDSP NanoAVR to an X4000 on HDMI input would be almost as useful IMO for most users...and if you insist, you could get your sources to a PC into, say, JRiver, and use the PC version of Dirac RCS and feed that into an AVR or pre-pro....