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What do y'all think of this cord?
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Is this s joke?!

Waste of money period!

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Is this s joke?!

Waste of money period!

What did it sound like?
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Is this s joke?!

Waste of money period!

What did it sound like?

Nice bait and switch. You must earn your living off the sale of snake oil.

Im smart enough to know snake oil when i see it. Aftermarket high dollar cord is snake oil. Deal with it....im sure you have plenty of gullible folks to sell your crap to.
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I think I'd like to see sellers of such a cord hanging from the other end of one as its only decent use.....mad.gifrolleyes.gif Audiogon with you!

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Nice bait and switch. You must earn your living off the sale of snake oil.

Im smart enough to know snake oil when i see it. Aftermarket high dollar cord is snake oil. Deal with it....im sure you have plenty of gullible folks to sell your crap to.
UMM theres no "snake-oil" in science. smdh. High frequency signals, extending far into the multi-gigahertz range, permeate our atmosphere every day and many have not yet come to adequately appreciate the profound effect such noise has on the listening experience. Because it is indeed inconsequential to the audio gear’s lower realms of mere purpose-built functionality ("hey, it plays..."), HF noise is allowed to circumvent gear-internal filtering circuitry through capacitive and inductive coupling. Detrimental effects are widespread as HF noise causes distortion via haphazard intermodulation throughout the gear’s circuitry. Without proper filtering, significant signal degradation is inevitable. HF signals naturally attenuate along wires, making HF noise on the power line most intense the closer it is induced to your gear. So, any means employed to prevent HF noise from entering your gear will be most effective closest to the gear’s IEC inlet. The power cord therefore occupies the most critical location to condition power for higher quality audio purposes.The question, therefore, should not be about how HF noise in the last six feet could possibly influence the sound, but instead how HF noise in the first 99 miles could possibly influence the sound. For it doesn’t. It can’t. HF signal attenuation occurs long before the wires even reach your neighborhood. The power cord is the part of the power line that matters most.
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I think I'd like to see sellers of such a cord hanging from the other end of one as its only decent use.....mad.gifrolleyes.gif Audiogon with you!
It would behoove you to take a science class at the nearest university. Because its clearly obvious you know nothing about electrical current. wink.gif
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It would behoove you to take a science class at the nearest university. Because its clearly obvious you know nothing about electrical current. wink.gif
Give us a worked analysis including the source and load Z's on either side of the cable. Let it include the full spectrum you have quoted in this post and the one before.

Then explain using your logic not about the 99 miles before the outlet but the 20m between the switchboard and the wall outlet and why this is less important than the final 2m of some fancy cable?

What you write sounds like you are regurgitating someone's advertising copy. If you have the training in electronics and electrical engineering, back it up with data not enormous amounts of verbiage or strawmen.
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"High frequency signals, extending far into the multi-gigahertz range, permeate our atmosphere every day and many have not yet come to adequately appreciate the profound effect such noise has on the listening experience"

And why do you think it could only effect the AC power cord? If what you think is true there are many weaker links in a audio/video system that should be effected.

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Nagy is a snake oil merchant. You can visit his web site to see it.
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Nice bait and switch. You must earn your living off the sale of snake oil.

Im smart enough to know snake oil when i see it. Aftermarket high dollar cord is snake oil. Deal with it....im sure you have plenty of gullible folks to sell your crap to.
UMM theres no "snake-oil" in science. smdh. High frequency signals, extending far into the multi-gigahertz range, permeate our atmosphere every day and many have not yet come to adequately appreciate the profound effect such noise has on the listening experience. Because it is indeed inconsequential to the audio gear’s lower realms of mere purpose-built functionality ("hey, it plays..."), HF noise is allowed to circumvent gear-internal filtering circuitry through capacitive and inductive coupling. Detrimental effects are widespread as HF noise causes distortion via haphazard intermodulation throughout the gear’s circuitry. Without proper filtering, significant signal degradation is inevitable. HF signals naturally attenuate along wires, making HF noise on the power line most intense the closer it is induced to your gear. So, any means employed to prevent HF noise from entering your gear will be most effective closest to the gear’s IEC inlet. The power cord therefore occupies the most critical location to condition power for higher quality audio purposes.The question, therefore, should not be about how HF noise in the last six feet could possibly influence the sound, but instead how HF noise in the first 99 miles could possibly influence the sound. For it doesn’t. It can’t. HF signal attenuation occurs long before the wires even reach your neighborhood. The power cord is the part of the power line that matters most.

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So has anyone had a chance to try this power cord?
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Yes it makes my cups of tea much nicer (water is hotter than boiling boiling)

The tea is more zingy, with a hint of taste fathomness.

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So has anyone had a chance to try this power cord?
What would be the point? It doesnt do anything.

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UMM theres no "snake-oil" in science. smdh. High frequency signals, extending far into the multi-gigahertz range, permeate our atmosphere every day and many have not yet come to adequately appreciate the profound effect such noise has on the listening experience. Because it is indeed inconsequential to the audio gear’s lower realms of mere purpose-built functionality ("hey, it plays..."), HF noise is allowed to circumvent gear-internal filtering circuitry through capacitive and inductive coupling. Detrimental effects are widespread as HF noise causes distortion via haphazard intermodulation throughout the gear’s circuitry. Without proper filtering, significant signal degradation is inevitable. HF signals naturally attenuate along wires, making HF noise on the power line most intense the closer it is induced to your gear. So, any means employed to prevent HF noise from entering your gear will be most effective closest to the gear’s IEC inlet. The power cord therefore occupies the most critical location to condition power for higher quality audio purposes.The question, therefore, should not be about how HF noise in the last six feet could possibly influence the sound, but instead how HF noise in the first 99 miles could possibly influence the sound. For it doesn’t. It can’t. HF signal attenuation occurs long before the wires even reach your neighborhood. The power cord is the part of the power line that matters most.

Busted...this is indeed marketing mumbo-jumbo from snake-oil audio cable company Less Loss (see the Summary section of this PDF):

http://www.lessloss.com/docs/20130826/LessLoss_DFPC_Series_PRINT.pdf

Can you let us know which college would actually teach this garbage? Or were you trying to pass this marketing literature as an actual whitepaper?
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So has anyone had a chance to try this power cord?

Of course not.
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Busted...this is indeed marketing mumbo-jumbo from snake-oil audio cable company Less Loss (see the Summary section of this PDF):

http://www.lessloss.com/docs/20130826/LessLoss_DFPC_Series_PRINT.pdf

Can you let us know which college would actually teach this garbage? Or were you trying to pass this marketing literature as an actual whitepaper?

Too funny. Maybe he should look up Plagiarism instead of trying to sound like Dr. Science wink.gif
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What do y'all think of this cord?
Nigerian, I mean Russian wire splicing technology at it's finest. Hey Norbertas, why don't you take VISA? Too easy to get a refund? lol
At least you don't try to sell this generic stuff for $1,000 per foot.

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Nigerian, I mean Russian wire splicing technology at it's finest. Hey Norbertas, why don't you take VISA? Too easy to get a refund? lol
At least you don't try to sell this generic stuff for $1,000 per foot.

http://www.nagysaudio.com/powercable.html

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I do take credit cards smile.gif And all cables are built by Elves.

Well there is your problem right there!!! 99% of us buy our cables from Tibetanmidgetpowercords.com .
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Only one person would be so brazen as to plagiarize another's work: Shia Leboeuf.

Maybe so, but nobody can pull of a dapper paper bag fashion accessory quite like Shia.

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Maybe so, but nobody can pull of a dapper paper bag fashion accessory quite like Shia.

The popular contention here is that if HF noise builds up along the power grid, all the way to the wall receptacle, then after hundreds of miles there would be so much HF noise that no audiophile power cord could filter it all out—not even a significant amount.



The main problem with this thinking is its failure to consider the confined way natural laws allow electricity to travel in a wire. Note this principle of attenuation:


The higher the frequency, the more rapidly it suffers attenuation along a wire.

This is an entirely natural phenomenon. In high frequency communication lines, re-amplifiers have to be placed at certain crucial distances, or the signal will diminish and loss of data will occur. The higher the frequency, the more of these stations are necessary. This is also why industrial manufacturers of HF communications cables are required to publish attenuation-over-length data—it is inherently difficult to keep HF signals from attenuating over long distances.
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Too funny. Maybe he should look up Plagiarism instead of trying to sound like Dr. Science wink.gif


http://www.lessloss.com/images/dfpc_series/black/DFPC-Series-Attenuation-33-UPDATE.png

Maybe this help make sense to you guys. Who offer NOTHING in the contrary..smdh
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Still not seeing your response to my questions in post 8.
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http://www.lessloss.com/images/dfpc_series/black/DFPC-Series-Attenuation-33-UPDATE.png

Maybe this help make sense to you guys. Who offer NOTHING in the contrary..smdh

Nice graphic, can you provide us with the formula used to calculate audible noise at the residential outlet and then provide a before/after output after using the aftermarket power cord? Thanks in advance smile.gif

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http://www.lessloss.com/images/dfpc_series/black/DFPC-Series-Attenuation-33-UPDATE.png

Maybe this help make sense to you guys. Who offer NOTHING in the contrary..smdh
Provide evidence from a credible second source that this is actually true and not just marketing fluff from a company that profits directly from these products.

WRT your deleted post, electrical engineering knows no state boundaries. You are going to have to do much better than that.
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