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post #61 of 69 Old 02-28-2014, 01:23 PM
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I can't and won't dispute this review and those test results. The subwoofer output has a 4 band eq that goes to 31hz. I believe this was in the audioholics review. I don't own one and the manual doesn't show the second page of the manual setup where the subwoofer eq settings are. So the front left/right outputs are a 7 band manual eq that doesn't adjust frequencies near as low as the subwoofer out. The yamaha's are designed to be used as a x.1 or x.2 receiver for sure. Even for stereo music. They don't exactly have the most watts per channel either. They pretty much put out an ultra clean signal though and less hdmi handshake issues than most brands.

Agree with this. My A3000 did indeed eq the subs and did an outstanding job doing it. They have plenty of power and the build quality is second to none. I haven't had the chance to see their pre-pro but I would think that the same build quality, reliability, and sound is there as well. YPAO in it will do everything that Audyssey can do and do it well. More connectivity if needed than other pre-pros. The review below will also tell how accurate YPAO is compared to other methods. It's easy to use and accurate. At Crutchfield this pre-pro sells for less than $2.5k. Can possibly be had for less than that with a phone call.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/ssps/ssps-reviews/yamaha-cx-a5000-11-1-ssp-surround-sound-processor.html
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Neither of those reviews tested the subwoofer output or manual eq.
I found it in the dedicated Yamaha thread here.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474980/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a1030-rx-a2030-rx-a3030-and-cx-a5000-mx-a5000-thread/180#post_23544117
The bottom of this pic shows the 31hz I was talking about. Subwoofer manual eq.
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Thank you for that. I'm tired of reading responses here about how YPAO doesn't eq subs when it does it as well as any other EQ program that comes with AVR's and pre-pros.
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You can choose the audyssey flat curve which does not roll off the high frequencies. That being said, I wouldn't call ARC or XT32 better, just different and pretty much in the same league.
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I prefer ARC over XT32. XT32 was attenuating frequencies over 5khz while ARC doesn't touch them. I was losing a lot of top end and couldn't do anything about it.

XT32 in the AVR-X4000 did not sound right. ARC to my ear sounds much more natural. No I did not double blind test them but couldn't ever relax to the Denon's sound. The Anthem on the other hand is a joy to listen to after a long day at work. I would like to hear XT32 on a Marantz unit to see if it was an issue with the Denon vs. Audyssey. But because of the 5khz+ attenuation, my days with XT32 are over smile.gif

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Thank you for that. I'm tired of reading responses here about how YPAO doesn't eq subs when it does it as well as any other EQ program that comes with AVR's and pre-pros.

That would be an opinion.  And argument could be made that if it only EQs down to 31hz how can it be just as good, everything else being equal?  I think the majority opinion on these forums and online reviews is that YPAO falls behind ARC and XT32 when it comes to sub EQ

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That would be an opinion.  And argument could be made that if it only EQs down to 31hz how can it be just as good, everything else being equal?  I think the majority opinion on these forums and online reviews is that YPAO falls behind ARC and XT32 when it comes to sub EQ

Yes you are right it is an opinion, the same as the many on these forums and online reviews that do say that YPAO falls behind ARC,XT32, and any other form of room eq is the better one. Where are the test reports that definitely state that ANY room Eq is the absolute best one to use? All of these Eq programs are just opinions, the user just has to decide which is the best one for their use. And also I am not a Yamaha fanboy, I'm using a H/K 7550HD that I feel has the best room EQ I've ever used. Far better than Audyssey XT and the YPAO in my RX-A3000.
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My Hifi doesn't have EQ. People have millions of years without EQ.

You'll be fine.

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Thank you for that. I'm tired of reading responses here about how YPAO doesn't eq subs when it does it as well as any other EQ program that comes with AVR's and pre-pros.

It's important to note that the pic is from the A3030 and that both the 2030 and 3030 can indeed both EQ the sub, rather it is the 1030 and lower models that cannot.

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Don't mean to dig up an old thread, but thanks for all the comments on this. I'll be finishing my home theater in the next month or so and am currently debating between many of these same avr's and prepros for my room. Very helpful information!
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