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I have a receiver pre ordered through Amazon. I noted in the specifications " A future firmware update will allow 4:4:4 based 4K2K 60P content to be handled offering up to 18GBPS throughput." Does that mean that this receiver is not a true UHD receiver as delivered until they come out with a firmware upgrade? I spoke with Denon and their receivers are UHD out of the box.
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I have a receiver pre ordered through Amazon. I noted in the specifications " A future firmware update will allow 4:4:4 based 4K2K 60P content to be handled offering up to 18GBPS throughput." Does that mean that this receiver is not a true UHD receiver as delivered until they come out with a firmware upgrade? I spoke with Denon and their receivers are UHD out of the box.
Maybe Walkamo can tell you, otherwise I would call Pioneer.
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So I contacted Pioneer about the availability of true 4k 60P upon the units release. This was their reply:

At this time I do not have this answer.

With the delayed release of the VSX-1124, the information could change.
We expect the receiver to be available in early July. We will have better
details when the release gets closer.

Based upon this answer I have pre-ordered a Denon AVR-X2100W 7.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD A/V Receiver with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Denon has confirmed that this receiver will be fully 4k 60P upon release. Denon's release date is 6/30/2014 with delivery from Amazon 7/2/2014.
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So I contacted Pioneer about the availability of true 4k 60P upon the units release. This was their reply:

At this time I do not have this answer.

With the delayed release of the VSX-1124, the information could change.
We expect the receiver to be available in early July. We will have better
details when the release gets closer.

Based upon this answer I have pre-ordered a Denon AVR-X2100W 7.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD A/V Receiver with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Denon has confirmed that this receiver will be fully 4k 60P upon release. Denon's release date is 6/30/2014 with delivery from Amazon 7/2/2014.
I'm upgrading from an Onkyo 809 and was holding out for a 1124 but amazon's price on 1123 is too hard to pass up. I don't plan on using 4K so it seems it only boils down to the newer sub-eq feature. I'm using the Aperion Audio intimus 7.1 setup. I wouldn't say I'm much of an audiophile so wondering what your opinions are regarding pulling the trigger for the 1123 (@ $350) vs. waiting for the 1124? FWIW, my room is open in design and approximately 20'x30'.
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I have a receiver pre ordered through Amazon. I noted in the specifications " A future firmware update will allow 4:4:4 based 4K2K 60P content to be handled offering up to 18GBPS throughput." Does that mean that this receiver is not a true UHD receiver as delivered until they come out with a firmware upgrade? I spoke with Denon and their receivers are UHD out of the box.
My understanding is that the HDMI 1.4 devices that are being "updated" to 4k/60 are simply compressing the signals to 4:2:0 to cram it into the available bandwidth, so if Pioneer are specifically referencing 4:4:4/60 and 18Gbps on these models, I would assume they'd have to be using "true" legitimate HDMI 2.0 chipsets. Sounds like the hardware is probably there, but their software/firmware is behind.

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So I contacted Pioneer about the availability of true 4k 60P upon the units release. This was their reply:

At this time I do not have this answer.

With the delayed release of the VSX-1124, the information could change.
We expect the receiver to be available in early July. We will have better
details when the release gets closer.

Based upon this answer I have pre-ordered a Denon AVR-X2100W 7.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD A/V Receiver with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Denon has confirmed that this receiver will be fully 4k 60P upon release. Denon's release date is 6/30/2014 with delivery from Amazon 7/2/2014.
But x2100w supports only 4k 24/30 upscale.
The one that provides 4k60 is x3100w. Or you were talking about passthrough, not upscale?

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But x2100w supports only 4k 24/30 upscale.
The one that provides 4k60 is x3100w. Or you were talking about passthrough, not upscale?
I installed my new Pioneer VSX-44 yesterday and was wondering if I set the HDMI to the correct setting. My Pioneer AV receiver outputs HDMI to my Samsung UN65F9000 TV (HDMI 1 input) and I have the HDMI output to "AMP" and not "Through." There is no sound when it is set to "Through" but I'm not sure if I should have set it to that setting or not. If I do, how do I recover sound (I have the optical cable attached from the TV to the receiver)? If not, is the outlet still HDMI 2.0 and compatible with UHD/4k signals? I'm a newby at this so I need help/advice. Thank you.

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I installed my new Pioneer VSX-44 yesterday and was wondering if I set the HDMI to the correct setting. My Pioneer AV receiver outputs HDMI to my Samsung UN65F9000 TV (HDMI 1 input) and I have the HDMI output to "AMP" and not "Through." There is no sound when it is set to "Through" but I'm not sure if I should have set it to that setting or not. If I do, how do I recover sound (I have the optical cable attached from the TV to the receiver)? If not, is the outlet still HDMI 2.0 and compatible with UHD/4k signals? I'm a newby at this so I need help/advice. Thank you.
YOu really ought to read through the manual completely. This is what I did with my VSX model. "through" simply means that you are passing everything (audio/video) through the receiver and the receiver will do nothing. The receiver is basically an HDMI adapter at that point. Anyhow, the appropriate setting is AMP. AMP means that the AVR will do its job in providing audio.

Reading the manual will help you get the best possible sound quaility from the AVR as well. You'll want to set your devices to bitstream and so forth to get lossless audio playback. The Elite series of AVR's from Pioneer are leaps and bounds ahead of my VSX from 2010 so I'd even have to re-read the manual as well.
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YOu really ought to read through the manual completely. This is what I did with my VSX model. "through" simply means that you are passing everything (audio/video) through the receiver and the receiver will do nothing. The receiver is basically an HDMI adapter at that point. Anyhow, the appropriate setting is AMP. AMP means that the AVR will do its job in providing audio.

Reading the manual will help you get the best possible sound quaility from the AVR as well. You'll want to set your devices to bitstream and so forth to get lossless audio playback. The Elite series of AVR's from Pioneer are leaps and bounds ahead of my VSX from 2010 so I'd even have to re-read the manual as well.
I HAVE read through the manual but I don't understand everything they talk about. I guess I'm somewhat "technically challenged" when it comes to some of this stuff. According to the manual, "Through" only sends the video to the TV and Indeed that is the case; no sound (the manual states that will happen) to the TV. What devices should I set to "bit stream?" I have the Samsung Blu-Ray and Direct TV Genie. (models in my signature)

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So... Any rumblings about when the 1124 might actually be released?
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So... Any rumblings about when the 1124 might actually be released?
I asked but of course they knew nothing about release date (they wanted the sale on the VSX-44).

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I HAVE read through the manual but I don't understand everything they talk about. I guess I'm somewhat "technically challenged" when it comes to some of this stuff. According to the manual, "Through" only sends the video to the TV and Indeed that is the case; no sound (the manual states that will happen) to the TV. What devices should I set to "bit stream?" I have the Samsung Blu-Ray and Direct TV Genie. (models in my signature)
That is strange as I believe that "through" on my model passes everything including audio to the TV. Anyhow, I'm certain AMP is the correct setting.

I had a similar Samsung BD player that was actually pretty user friendly at explaining each setting when your highlighted it. I would go into the settings of the Samsung BD player and adjust the Audio settings to bitstream. Sometimes BD players don't call this setting "bitstream", however, I think the Samsung not only calls this setting bitstream but takes it a step further by explaining that it will send all audio "unprocessed" to the AVR (audio video receiver) for decoding (processing the signal into the high resolution audio that it was encoded into).

You spent some good money on some great products. Play around with every setting and get to know what they mean and understand some of the tech behind the wording. You should be pleased in the end... it is a fun learning process and the rewards are excellent.

I had a co-worker that bought a $2000 Elite about 4 years ago and when I was talking to him about it he didn't even know what DTS-HD was... this isn't even a rich man that has money to throw away, but it is obvious that he wasted the last 4 years at not taking advantage of anything that he thrown a ton of money at. This is why I always advice everyone to read and understand the manual... it pays!
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That is strange as I believe that "through" on my model passes everything including audio to the TV. Anyhow, I'm certain AMP is the correct setting.

I had a similar Samsung BD player that was actually pretty user friendly at explaining each setting when your highlighted it. I would go into the settings of the Samsung BD player and adjust the Audio settings to bitstream. Sometimes BD players don't call this setting "bitstream", however, I think the Samsung not only calls this setting bitstream but takes it a step further by explaining that it will send all audio "unprocessed" to the AVR (audio video receiver) for decoding (processing the signal into the high resolution audio that it was encoded into).

You spent some good money on some great products. Play around with every setting and get to know what they mean and understand some of the tech behind the wording. You should be pleased in the end... it is a fun learning process and the rewards are excellent.

I had a co-worker that bought a $2000 Elite about 4 years ago and when I was talking to him about it he didn't even know what DTS-HD was... this isn't even a rich man that has money to throw away, but it is obvious that he wasted the last 4 years at not taking advantage of anything that he thrown a ton of money at. This is why I always advice everyone to read and understand the manual... it pays!
Thanks. I did now just set it to "unprocessed" and now the sound is outputted in DTS-HD by the Pioneer VSX-44 and "Frozen" Blu-Ray sounded amazing. Before the VSX-44 the Samsung Blu-Ray outputted in two HDMI outputs; one was video directly to OCB and audio to receiver. It upscaled Blu-Ray to UHD/4k. Also, the Blu-Ray and Samsung defaulted to BD Wise. Now I output everything to the HDMI 1 output on the Samsung Blu-Ray and also unprocessed audio and BD Wise is grayed out on player. Probably because I changed audio to bitstream. I'll have to get into the settings of my Direct TV Genie and see if there are more audio choices there. Although I don't feel the User Manual is "user friendly" I will re-read it and try to get more information.

Making progress.
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So... Any rumblings about when the 1124 might actually be released?
I just noticed the new update. It says "7/21/2014" so it's kind of like Pioneer saying that they won't have a 2014 model, since the year is almost over, and hopefully the 2015 model will be released sometime in 2015
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Well, we're only halfway through the year! Lol. Where did you see the update? Other than the availability and the custom installation stuff, I'm wondering what the difference is between the 1124 and the vsx-80. It's an extra $100...
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Broke show and ordered the vsx-80 because I'm tired of waiting. The extra $100 was somewhat mitigated by the various offers that Best Buy has going on. Went through the whole process only to find out that they were out of that model. Asked them to ship it to me and they said that I'd get it by the 8th. Grrr.... Canceled the order and I'll hunker down for the 1124 like I originally planned.
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I just picked up a VSX-1124 at Best Buy yesterday. Cancelled my order from Amazon that I had placed in March. I just spent enough time to get things connected and working. I'll have to run through the setup and calibration this weekend.
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Ooh, will have to check with my local best buy and see if they have them in stock.
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I just picked up a VSX-1124 at Best Buy yesterday. Cancelled my order from Amazon that I had placed in March. I just spent enough time to get things connected and working. I'll have to run through the setup and calibration this weekend.
Nice! Let me know if you start an 'Official Pioneer VSX-1124 owners thread' so I can follow...
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I picked up my 1124 today. My usage will be a lot different than most people's I'm sure. I'm using it mostly as a streamer for stereo listening. It has all of the services I want, DSD playback, DLNA, and a pair of pre outs for my powered speakers. I won't be using it with a TV or with movies. I might add some surround speakers at some point but for now it is strictly stereo.

Plugged an Ethernet cable in and turned it on. I could use airplay immediately as well as Spotify. The DNLA feature was seamless as well. Once I started JRemote and told it to play to the 1124 it mostly worked. Had some weirdness with JRiver I had to figure out. My one ongoing issue is that the 1124 doesn't seem to like playing 192/24 files. I only have one album but it refuses to play it.

I also was a bit disappointed with the iPad app. It works well enough for the super basic stuff but it lacks a couple of big things. First off I had to hook the receiver to a TV in order to set the speaker size to large and tell it I don't have a subwoofer. That was a pain. I was also shocked at how ugly the on screen menus and graphic are. Glad I won't be seeing them... I can use the app with a DLNA server but it is pretty clunky, better to use another app like JRemote, it's much easier to use.

The sound is very good. To be honest I haven't noticed much difference between this and the 24/192 DAC that I had been using. What I've gotten is a lot more functionality and convenience. Good stuff. Now if only some company would sell the same thing without all the power amps I'd be happy, lol.

I'm mostly done with the features I think. I might go in and set up some Internet radio stations but for right now I'm enjoying my own library
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The DNLA feature was seamless as well. Once I started JRemote and told it to play to the 1124 it mostly worked. Had some weirdness with JRiver I had to figure out. My one ongoing issue is that the 1124 doesn't seem to like playing 192/24 files. I only have one album but it refuses to play it.
Your application mirrors one of my primary uses. If I may, a couple of questions : what do you use as your dlna server? What was the "weirdness" you mention? Also, will it play 96/24 files (flac) or does it burp on these as well? Thanks for sharing this experience.
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Haven't had any trouble with the 24/96 files I've tried. I had some issues with jriver re sampling files into something else. Had to go in and change several settings in order for it to play the files natively. Honestly, I have no reason why JRiver needs to be so complicated in addition to being ugly.
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Ah, found a weird thing... The owners manual says that when you plug in headphones the sound to the speakers is cut off. That does not include the pre outs though. Have to actually turn off my speakers if I don't want them playing.
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Haven't had any trouble with the 24/96 files I've tried. I had some issues with jriver re sampling files into something else. Had to go in and change several settings in order for it to play the files natively. Honestly, I have no reason why JRiver needs to be so complicated in addition to being ugly.
Thanks for this info. JRiver sounds as if it has similar profiles to the two dlna servers I've tried on my FreeNAS server, Fuppes and the older Logitech media server, which need similar tweaking.

I know it's a long shot but has tried one of the Pioneers streaming from Fuppes dlna?
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Sorry, JRiver is the only one I've ever used. I might try some others before I have to pay for it though. I wonder if there are other DNLA servers for the Mac that support DSD.
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Sorry, JRiver is the only one I've ever used. I might try some others before I have to pay for it though. I wonder if there are other DNLA servers for the Mac that support DSD.
How do you like JRiver? What is the advantages of JRiver over Windows Media Center for music?

Recently I have been on a quest to find the best music player. Both Windows Media Center and Windows Media Player are only sending PCM to my Pioneer VSX-820. It is annoying because the Pioneer Receiver will not allow me to select "ADV SURR" for multichannel surround. I've tried everything.

I'm strictly using my HTPC for music playback (mostly MP3 files and some iTunes). HTPC is connected to AVR via HDMI.
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One of the big advantages of JRiver is that it runs on a Mac. Sorry, I have no idea how it compares to Windows anything.

It seems to work ok. It is clearly designed as a cross platform product so it looks pretty ugly as a Mac app. I also think it is overly complicated. Still, I think that since I've got it set up I should be good to go. I mostly use it as a back end for the JRemote app on the iPad anyway. That works very well and is very fast.
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I have just found out that the receiver has a much beefier headphone amp than my Emotiva DAC. Better bass and I have a lot more headroom for turning up the volume. I do my headphone listening with Beredynamics 880t pros 250 ohm. They are a bit harder to drive than other headphones I've had. Wasn't anticipating this but I'm happy about it.
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I just cancelled my order for the VSX-1124. It just didn't make any sense to pay full price for a model that would be a year old in a couple of months. Was really looking forward to using this receiver. Maybe I'll see one in a museum one day. Pioneer simply took way too long to deliver (literally).
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