^^the 1124 will add some benefits over the 1123 for sure. If you plan on upgrading your display to a native 4K panel than the 1124 will support this resolution up to 60hz.
Also, I read somewhere on this thread or the other about there being an upgrade to the DAC. Not positive though.
Right now I'm on the fence trying to decide between the 1124 (perhaps Elite VSX-80) or the new Denon's.
Oh yeah. I forgot they upgraded the 1124 to an "ESS SABRE Premier Audio DAC 192kHz / 24-Bit". The 1123 doesn't mention which DAC it uses. As for 4K panel, I don't see me upgrading to a 4K panel anytime soon but you never know. But both the 1124 and the 1123 have 4K pass-through and upscaling using the Marvell QDEO chip.
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Originally Posted by Walkamo /t/1522536/2014-pioneer-vsx-1124-1024-824-discussions/30#post_24794251
Hi Guys,
All of the HDMI 2.0 models were pushed back because of a problem with the HDMI 2.0 chipset. This affected no only us but other brands that support 4:4:4 color support...
We will be begin shipping all Pioneer models very soon (VSX-824's are already shipping to dealers).
Pioneer is a good receiver, very good reliability. I wouldn't give up because of a problem. I now own a HARMAN KARDON AVR 2700. Sounds very nice, but I do miss my Pioneer VSX-1120. Now that pio has passthrough and an onscreen volume display I wish I had stayed with Pioneer. If funds weren't a problem I'd buy a vsx-1124. I just wish the HK 2700 had HDMI passthrough.
I was a fan of Pioneer until my vsx820k Right channels died. I need a new receiver but its not going to be another Pioneer.
Its a shame because it did sound good.
Pioneer is a good receiver, very good reliability. I wouldn't give up because of a problem. I now own a HARMAN KARDON AVR 2700. Sounds very nice, but I do miss my Pioneer VSX-1120. Now that pio has passthrough and an onscreen volume display I wish I had stayed with Pioneer. If funds weren't a problem I'd buy a vsx-1124. I just wish the HK 2700 had HDMI passthrough.
I have a receiver pre ordered through Amazon. I noted in the specifications " A future firmware update will allow 4:4:4 based 4K2K 60P content to be handled offering up to 18GBPS throughput." Does that mean that this receiver is not a true UHD receiver as delivered until they come out with a firmware upgrade? I spoke with Denon and their receivers are UHD out of the box.
So I contacted Pioneer about the availability of true 4k 60P upon the units release. This was their reply:
At this time I do not have this answer.
With the delayed release of the VSX-1124, the information could change.
We expect the receiver to be available in early July. We will have better
details when the release gets closer.
Based upon this answer I have pre-ordered a Denon AVR-X2100W 7.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD A/V Receiver with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Denon has confirmed that this receiver will be fully 4k 60P upon release. Denon's release date is 6/30/2014 with delivery from Amazon 7/2/2014.
I'm upgrading from an Onkyo 809 and was holding out for a 1124 but amazon's price on 1123 is too hard to pass up. I don't plan on using 4K so it seems it only boils down to the newer sub-eq feature. I'm using the Aperion Audio intimus 7.1 setup. I wouldn't say I'm much of an audiophile so wondering what your opinions are regarding pulling the trigger for the 1123 (@ $350) vs. waiting for the 1124? FWIW, my room is open in design and approximately 20'x30'.
Well, we're only halfway through the year! Lol. Where did you see the update? Other than the availability and the custom installation stuff, I'm wondering what the difference is between the 1124 and the vsx-80. It's an extra $100...
Broke show and ordered the vsx-80 because I'm tired of waiting. The extra $100 was somewhat mitigated by the various offers that Best Buy has going on. Went through the whole process only to find out that they were out of that model. Asked them to ship it to me and they said that I'd get it by the 8th. Grrr.... Canceled the order and I'll hunker down for the 1124 like I originally planned.
I just picked up a VSX-1124 at Best Buy yesterday. Cancelled my order from Amazon that I had placed in March. I just spent enough time to get things connected and working. I'll have to run through the setup and calibration this weekend.
I picked up my 1124 today. My usage will be a lot different than most people's I'm sure. I'm using it mostly as a streamer for stereo listening. It has all of the services I want, DSD playback, DLNA, and a pair of pre outs for my powered speakers. I won't be using it with a TV or with movies. I might add some surround speakers at some point but for now it is strictly stereo.
Plugged an Ethernet cable in and turned it on. I could use airplay immediately as well as Spotify. The DNLA feature was seamless as well. Once I started JRemote and told it to play to the 1124 it mostly worked. Had some weirdness with JRiver I had to figure out. My one ongoing issue is that the 1124 doesn't seem to like playing 192/24 files. I only have one album but it refuses to play it.
I also was a bit disappointed with the iPad app. It works well enough for the super basic stuff but it lacks a couple of big things. First off I had to hook the receiver to a TV in order to set the speaker size to large and tell it I don't have a subwoofer. That was a pain. I was also shocked at how ugly the on screen menus and graphic are. Glad I won't be seeing them... I can use the app with a DLNA server but it is pretty clunky, better to use another app like JRemote, it's much easier to use.
The sound is very good. To be honest I haven't noticed much difference between this and the 24/192 DAC that I had been using. What I've gotten is a lot more functionality and convenience. Good stuff. Now if only some company would sell the same thing without all the power amps I'd be happy, lol.
I'm mostly done with the features I think. I might go in and set up some Internet radio stations but for right now I'm enjoying my own library
The DNLA feature was seamless as well. Once I started JRemote and told it to play to the 1124 it mostly worked. Had some weirdness with JRiver I had to figure out. My one ongoing issue is that the 1124 doesn't seem to like playing 192/24 files. I only have one album but it refuses to play it.
Your application mirrors one of my primary uses. If I may, a couple of questions : what do you use as your dlna server? What was the "weirdness" you mention? Also, will it play 96/24 files (flac) or does it burp on these as well? Thanks for sharing this experience.
Haven't had any trouble with the 24/96 files I've tried. I had some issues with jriver re sampling files into something else. Had to go in and change several settings in order for it to play the files natively. Honestly, I have no reason why JRiver needs to be so complicated in addition to being ugly.
Thanks for this info. JRiver sounds as if it has similar profiles to the two dlna servers I've tried on my FreeNAS server, Fuppes and the older Logitech media server, which need similar tweaking.
I know it's a long shot but has tried one of the Pioneers streaming from Fuppes dlna?
Ah, found a weird thing... The owners manual says that when you plug in headphones the sound to the speakers is cut off. That does not include the pre outs though. Have to actually turn off my speakers if I don't want them playing.
Sorry, JRiver is the only one I've ever used. I might try some others before I have to pay for it though. I wonder if there are other DNLA servers for the Mac that support DSD.
How do you like JRiver? What is the advantages of JRiver over Windows Media Center for music?
Recently I have been on a quest to find the best music player. Both Windows Media Center and Windows Media Player are only sending PCM to my Pioneer VSX-820. It is annoying because the Pioneer Receiver will not allow me to select "ADV SURR" for multichannel surround. I've tried everything.
I'm strictly using my HTPC for music playback (mostly MP3 files and some iTunes). HTPC is connected to AVR via HDMI.
One of the big advantages of JRiver is that it runs on a Mac. Sorry, I have no idea how it compares to Windows anything.
It seems to work ok. It is clearly designed as a cross platform product so it looks pretty ugly as a Mac app. I also think it is overly complicated. Still, I think that since I've got it set up I should be good to go. I mostly use it as a back end for the JRemote app on the iPad anyway. That works very well and is very fast.
I have just found out that the receiver has a much beefier headphone amp than my Emotiva DAC. Better bass and I have a lot more headroom for turning up the volume. I do my headphone listening with Beredynamics 880t pros 250 ohm. They are a bit harder to drive than other headphones I've had. Wasn't anticipating this but I'm happy about it.
I just cancelled my order for the VSX-1124. It just didn't make any sense to pay full price for a model that would be a year old in a couple of months. Was really looking forward to using this receiver. Maybe I'll see one in a museum one day. Pioneer simply took way too long to deliver (literally).
Lol, it's only been out a couple of weeks it's hardly a year old. Did you buy a receiver? If not, any other receiver will have the same issue, but those have actually been out longer. I'd suggest getting the one that has the features you want regardless of when it was released.
If your receiver is connected to the internet through your router, simply goto the advanced option then look for the firmware update option. I am unsure of the exact menu location because I'm not in front of my receiver now but the option is there. If your receiver is not connected, then you can download the file on to a USB drive then update with the USB drive connected to the receiver.
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