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Until there are 'Official' thread related to those models, let's discuss here.
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I don't see mention of HTC Connect anymore, they gave up on this?

EDIT: ok I see it's still listed on Pioneer's website here, under the Handheld and Internet tab.
 
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I wonder if Future Shop / Best Buy will again offer a model similar to the 1124, which, if we follow logics of previous years, should be called VSX-1129. They do this to avoid having to deal with customers who price match, right?

When I called Pioneer last year to ask what were the differences he was not able to tell me but he said the FS/BB units comes with a 2 years warranty.
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The 1124 and Elite VSX-80 come with Sabre Dacs and the new subwoofer eq, for only $599/$700 msrp. Not bad.
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The 1124 and Elite VSX-80 come with Sabre Dacs and the new subwoofer eq, for only $599/$700 msrp. Not bad.
Haven't looked to compare the VSX-1124 and VSX-80 yet but if you know the differences, maybe you could share... is it only the class of amp that is different?
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I haven't looked too closely either but it doesn't look like much. I'm not sure the amp design is all that different either. Same numbers and power consumption. Hopefully someone else will chime in if there is a real difference but sometimes Pioneer uses different terminology to try and distinguish the Elite line from the regular line.

I usually buy the Elites just because they look a little better with the orange display and cool little blue lights redface.gif .
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I just bought the SC-1523-K when it was on sale on Amazon for $850. I like it and got it because of the SABER 32 DAC's at this price point. However I wish it was able to EQ the sub like these new models. Anyone think a software update for the 2013 models will include this highly desired feature? I can't imagine why a hardware change would be required to allow for EQ'ing the freq below 63khz. Anyone else wishing the same?
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Any idea if and when the THX models come out? I currently own the VSX-21TXH, and I think the THX helps low volume listening a good bit.
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What happened to the D3 amps and 4ohm support?
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Great idea for this thread. I saw a post from a pioneer rep stating that 2014 models were due out.

What I want is pass through for 4k at 60hz. This is going to be of upmost importance to me. I'm really glad to see this is where Pioneer is at!

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What happened to the D3 amps and 4ohm support?

I'm assuming they just released those three first and the others will follow later.
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I just bought the SC-1523-K when it was on sale on Amazon for $850. I like it and got it because of the SABER 32 DAC's at this price point. However I wish it was able to EQ the sub like these new models. Anyone think a software update for the 2013 models will include this highly desired feature? I can't imagine why a hardware change would be required to allow for EQ'ing the freq below 63khz. Anyone else wishing the same?

I wish they would update my SC-07 - new year, new features - wish all you want but you're wasting your time. As for D3 and 4ohm - higher Elite lines and maybe they will do a 1500 series this year as well. Time will tell.

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"I just bought the SC-1523-K when it was on sale on Amazon for $850. I like it and got it because of the SABER 32 DAC's at this price point. However I wish it was able to EQ the sub like these new models. Anyone think a software update for the 2013 models will include this highly desired feature? I can't imagine why a hardware change would be required to allow for EQ'ing the freq below 63khz. Anyone else wishing the same?"

"I wish they would update my SC-07 - new year, new features - wish all you want but you're wasting your time".

I agree. Why would they firmware something that most people would buy a new avr to get? But I do feel your pain.
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Oh I know. But I'm still holding out hope. Also Pioneer just released iControl5 for your iphone and ipad so you can control A/V receivers, new and old. Checkout the compatibility list below. So that brings the temp in hell down a just a bit. They also put in Built-In AVNavigator too. So you can really just use your web browser to setup. I know its wishful thinking but I can't imagine that the chips inside the sc-1523-k are all that different in the new 2014 a/v chips. They both have the same DSP Texas Instruments Aureus chips too.


http://pioneer.jp/product/soft/iapp_icontrolav5/en.html

Compatible AV receiver models (as of March 2014) :
USA/Canada : VSX-80, VSX-1124, VSX-44, VSX-1024, VSX-824,
SC-79, SC-77, SC-75, SC-1523, SC-1528, SC-72, SC-1323, SC-1328, SC-71, SC-1223, SC-1228, VSX-70, VSX-1123, VSX-1128, VSX-1028, VSX-43, VSX-1023, VSX-823, SC-68, SC-67, SC-65, SC-1522, SC-1527, SC-63, SC-61, SC-1222, SC-1227, VSX-60, VSX-1122, VSX-1127,
VSX-1027, VSX-42, VSX-1022, VSX-822
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You'd think at the at the very least they would include sub EQ'ing on all 2013 models that have the same chips as the 2014 lineup. Simply because the competition can and its not all that difficult to program it in. Even put in a by-passing the EQ for freq below 63 kHz. I really don't think we are asking too much.
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You'd think at the at the very least they would include sub EQ'ing on all 2013 models that have the same chips as the 2014 lineup. Simply because the competition can and its not all that difficult to program it in. Even put in a by-passing the EQ for freq below 63 kHz. I really don't think we are asking too much.


Hi Guys,

I had asked Japan the same question, however the new 2014 models use a higher clock speed DSP. The 2013 models cannot support the Sub EQ feature with their lower clock speed.

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Oh I know. But I'm still holding out hope. Also Pioneer just released iControl5 for your iphone and ipad so you can control A/V receivers, new and old. Checkout the compatibility list below. So that brings the temp in hell down a just a bit. They also put in Built-In AVNavigator too. So you can really just use your web browser to setup. I know its wishful thinking but I can't imagine that the chips inside the sc-1523-k are all that different in the new 2014 a/v chips. They both have the same DSP Texas Instruments Aureus chips too.


http://pioneer.jp/product/soft/iapp_icontrolav5/en.html

Compatible AV receiver models (as of March 2014) :
USA/Canada : VSX-80, VSX-1124, VSX-44, VSX-1024, VSX-824,
SC-79, SC-77, SC-75, SC-1523, SC-1528, SC-72, SC-1323, SC-1328, SC-71, SC-1223, SC-1228, VSX-70, VSX-1123, VSX-1128, VSX-1028, VSX-43, VSX-1023, VSX-823, SC-68, SC-67, SC-65, SC-1522, SC-1527, SC-63, SC-61, SC-1222, SC-1227, VSX-60, VSX-1122, VSX-1127,
VSX-1027, VSX-42, VSX-1022, VSX-822


Hi,

While iContolAV5 now works with some past models, not all features are supported. If the actual 2013 model does not support a feature the app will not add the feature.

As far as AVNavigator built-in this is a feature that is built into the actual 2014 AVR. We built a small web server into the AVR and a browser can access it directly. This cannot be added to the 2013 models due to limited memory of those models.

Thanks,

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I believe on Pioneer's website that the VSX 1124 has 4K passthrough at 60 fps.
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Thanks for clearing that up Chris! I understand completely about the iControl5 that it will not add functionality. Im just glad to see that one app can now support older and new devices in one app. Too bad about AVNavigator not being able to run natively on the older units. I tried on both my macbook and windows pc to run AVNavigator but the app crashes when switching over to MCACC. Good effort just not seamless. But also glad to see Pioneer is finally adding a webserver into the product lineup. Pioneer should also include the ability to report back to pioneer engineers with any issues with the units or be able to support error codes for repair techs or support center techs, would be a nice feature.
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Does the 1124 have an on screen display when adjusting volume? How would the sound (with movies) compare to a harman kardon avr 2700?
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Does the 1124 have an on screen display when adjusting volume?
Yes. Under normal circumstances. With a 4K video signal perhaps not.
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How would the sound (with movies) compare to a harman kardon avr 2700?
AUDIOPHILES, AVERT THINE EYES!

They all sound the same. You don't have to audition them, they all sound the same.

Some people argue that the differences in room calibration is like day and night. They're all serviceable. It's fine. Really.
  • Audyssey (used by Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, NAD, etc.) is considered the superior choice by many.
  • MCACC (used by Pioneer) has been criticized for lack of low frequency handling, but that has been at least partially assuaged by the 2014 lineup. You'll have to wait for in-depth reviews to be sure.
  • EzSet/EQ (used by Harman Kardon) - No glowing reviews, but it's there.

You buy the receiver for the features, and the speakers for the sound.

Don't compromise on features because supposedly another brand sounds "warmer" or "brighter" or "more open". They all sound the same.

I'm a big Pioneer fan, but they don't sound any different to the competition.
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Walkamo, what are the differences between VSX-1124 and VSX-80? I asked in another thread and yet got this.

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Walkamo, what are the differences between VSX-1124 and VSX-80? I asked in another thread and yet got this.

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In case he's busy... the differences are:
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  • 2 year warranty (vs 1 year)
  • Component 2 in, 1 out (vs 1 in, 0 out)
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As regards VSX-1124 and VSX-80 is the difference between the two on the 2 HDMI outputs that when you have two separate inputs, that on the VSX 1124 HDZONE is stereo at most when the main is 5.1 but in the VSX 80 both outputs can do 5.1?
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As regards VSX-1124 and VSX-80 is the difference between the two on the 2 HDMI outputs that when you have two separate inputs, that on the VSX 1124 HDZONE is stereo at most when the main is 5.1 but in the VSX 80 both outputs can do 5.1?
I don't see any mention of that anywhere, nor any reason why that would be the case.
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Just wandered what this link meant... scroll down to Part of elite club

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/2014-pioneer-a-v-receivers
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Not quite sure what you mean, but the 80 is an Elite model, the 1124 is not. There will be other higher priced with additional feature Elite models announced soon and released late summer early fall. Elites also have an additional year of warranty.

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Im pretty sure the elite options are more for installers. They offer more advanced network connectivity, and options to customize a whole house solution.
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Any idea if and when the THX models come out? I currently own the VSX-21TXH, and I think the THX helps low volume listening a good bit.

No answers so far, but reading the manual, the ALC feature seems to be very similar to THX Loudness Plus, talking about adjusting low and high frequencies, surround effects, etc "to be optimal for the volume level." However, my VSX-21TXH also has ALC, but it omits that paragraph, saying only that it "equalizes playback sound levels," and trying it, it clearly doesn't have the same effect as the THX feature. So I'm wondering if this feature has been enhanced since 2009 to make it comparable to THX Loudness Plus and if it applies to all signal formats and PLii modes. Anyone know?
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Why are there so few posts on these new receivers? Has no-one got one yet? I'm referring to the VSX-1124.
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