Originally Posted by jaeelarr
Asking for what? OP had a question, some folks gave misinformation...thats all i was pointing out. I then proceeded to give him an opinion, MY opinion, which is what he asked about in the first place. Nothing more.
I used to own NAD, i now OWN Denon becuase they are cheaper. If people want to go out and spend $2000 on amps/AVR's that offer many of the same features on models/brands that are a fraction of the cost, be my guest. Its not my money.
FMW's first post in this thread is more or less spot on and i agree with him 206%. You want to achieve better sound? Invest in speakers and room treatments, where it will be audibly noticeable.
First you said you've owned "nothing but Denon's" and now you're saying you've owned NAD. Make up you mind.
Don't try to pretend your post was innocent or even motivated toward being helpful. You didn't point out anything. You only made a vague reference, alluding that you had this esoteric knowledge, but then you apparently couldn't be bothered to be more specific as to what the OP had been "misinformed" about, with the implication that you were the one being genuine, not those who actually put some thought and effort into their advise or simple relaying of their personal, subjective experiences. You didn't just respond to the OP, you led off with an unnecessary, personal, and uncalled for jab insinuating that any negative opinion provided by anyone in this thread regarding your seemingly favored brand was flat out wrong and inferior to your own personal (seemingly biased) opinion - without regard to whether or not such information you were vaguely referencing was better qualified or even genuinely negative in the first place.
Then you failed to even attempt to qualify such an arrogant and intentionally insulting statement in any way other than sounding like some child who just got bent out of shape at the very notion that his $200 AVR might not offer the same level of performance as a $2000 model. The discussion wasn't even really about price point, it was about brands, maybe with some subjective observations mixed in, but mostly about the features offered by the brands in question, which the higher you go, the more that's included. But since you brought it up, do you really think that these companies would be able to sell $2000 AVRs, if they offered no viable sonic benefit over the very cheapest alternatives? I've owned models from every relevant price point and installed many more, yet I keep going back to ones usually $1000 and up for my own system, and it certainly isn't because I'm rich - which I'm far from rich, in case you didn't get the sarcasm. I pay dearly and sacrifice a lot to be able to buy the products I have. I shop around and in some cases, the only reason I was able to justify their expense was the industry I worked and the professional accomodation I sometimes received from select brands because of it.
No $200 to $400 Denon will include preouts, which the person you say you were trying to advise has already indicated he needs or at least wants that option for the future. Yet you decided to step in and advise him toward a model that can't possibly meet that need, and you think that's being helpful?
I've owned four Denon AVRs - three of which were flagships (5700, 5800, 5805), the later of which was the most over-built, massive AVR they or possibly anyone has ever made. That's not bragging (it's barely lower mid-end for that matter), it's qualifying an opinion well enough to offer a better chance of helping someone figure out if your experience might be relevant enough with their situation, needs, or interests to merit paying any heed. Sorry, but emotionally charged, say-nothing posts as confrontational and deliberatly ambiguous as yours (to phrase it in the same overly juvenile manner) are 206% worthless to me. I would have overlooked it entirely, if not for the affront you opened with. And I still bit my tongue.
Furthermore, you then provide no indication that you've actually put your own money where your mouth is, not if you've only spent $1000 for an entire multi-channel surround speaker array. That's, of course, assuming you didn't build your own, or that you have more than a simple stereo system, considering the OP has clearly indicated he intends to use the AVR for HT in addition to music, so any advise not taking that into account is also largely irrelevant and misplaced. Am I missing something? Because I certainly didn't take your post as being informed, much less genuine or sincerely motivated in offering any insight that might prove helpful to the OP or even valid to the discussion, like you now profess was your goal.
Apologies to the OP for helping to derail the thread again.