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post #1 of 11 Old 03-28-2014, 10:46 AM - Thread Starter
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I'm using a Panasonic SA-XR70 in my 5.1 home theater setup. I've probably had it about 10 years, bought it on AVSforum recommendation when digital amps were just coming out.

What I've noticed over the years is that even though there are speaker setup options to set the size of your front speakers, they seem to get LFE input on movie soundtracks, especially DTS, and my front speakers don't like it at all.

I recently took another look at the manual and found this tidbit:

Notes on HDMI
When the input signal is multi-channel DVD-Audio:
• Speaker settings are ineffective. The speaker settings selected on this
unit need to be set on the DVD player or DVD recorder.


Makes sense, so it's not my imagination. My question is this: is this common in modern receivers? If I buy a new AV 5.1 capable receiver, is it likely that it will support setup to NOT feed LFE to the fronts, and do so in all audio modes?

Any recommendations? What's considered the best bang-for-buck 5.1 receiver under $500?

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In audio systems which include subwoofers, all modern multichannel receivers and pre/pros send the LFE input channel only to the subwoofer output channel. They also include bass management, which redirects low frequencies below a specified crossover frequency from the various speaker channels to the subwoofer channel.

Many subwoofers include their own bass management options, so if yours does, recabling your front speakers to it might be one way to reduce the problem until you upgrade.

Without knowing which "bangs" are important to you, it's hard to recommend any particular models. Modern DSP chips are much more powerful than the ones that were available 10 years ago, so receivers include many more features than they used to. Personally I'm biased toward Marantz and Denon equipment.

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That receiver is long in tooth. Modern receivers all respect speaker settings when digital audio is received unless you purposefully turn it off (like in Pure/Direct or Pure Direct mode).
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My requirements are modest... no plans to go past 5.1 for the time being, nor for 3D or 4K.
I have 2 Xboxes attached, hooking my dedicated blu ray player back up would be a plus, but I'm currently out of HDMI ports. (My receiver only has 2 in 1 out)

I'm looking at the Denon AVR E300 and the Marantz NR 1403, both seem to have their advantages. With the Marantz, I keep the digital amp (I think), while the Denon offers Audyssey bronze, which seems like a nice feature at a below $300 price.

I'm not sure If I can use the sub to high pass my audio because I don't seem to have pre-out/main in connections on my receiver.
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If I go with the Marantz NR 1504 I can get Audyssey MultiEQ (vs. Bronze with the Denon) and network features for an extra $100...
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According to their owner's manuals, both the E300 and the 1504 have exactly the same version of Audyssey equalization (MultEQ) and the same additional Audyssey features (DynamicEQ & DynamicVolume). The "metal" grades are just Denon marketing terms. Both receivers provide network connectivity. Their manuals are available for downloading from the Denon and Maratntz Web sites.

The Marantz receiver adds an M=X port, a 5th HDMI input, a 3rd pair of analog inputs, and front L&R preamp outputs in case you want to use an external amp for those two speakers. It also has a longer warranty than the E300 has. The E300 does have rearranged speaker binding posts with vertical access which are somewhat easier to use.

You can compare their back panels at
http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/03/07/Denon_AVR-E300.jpg
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http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/04/02/Marantz_NR1504_back_panel.jpg

In both cases, be sure to call an authorized dealer on the phone to get the best pricing, which usually is only slightly more than what unauthorized resellers advertise. Authorized dealers are only allowed to advertise MSRP. If you buy from an unauthorized dealer, you also have to get a 3rd party warranty (e.g. from Square Trade), since D&M's own warranty won't be available.

FWIW, AVS, the primary sponsor of this forum, is an authorized D&M dealer. Personally, though, I tend to buy from a local A/V specialty store (not Best Buy!), just because of the additional services they provide.

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Wow, thanks for the great info.

I almost hesitate to say this, but looking at the back panel I realize that I actually have a 6.1 channel speaker setup. I guess I forgot to count the center channel. I always thought I had 5.1 and didn't even question it anymore.
I have a rear speaker too, so I guess I need to be looking in a slightly different category. Sorry about that - I feel like an idiot.
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Maybe I should pony up for the Denon AVR-X2000?
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They don't make 6.1 AVRs any more. You either get a 5.1 or go up to 7.1 or 9.1. However, keep in mind, 7.1/9.1 rear speaker layouts are significantly different than 5.1/6.1 speaker layout. But most AVRs will let you connect just one rear center speaker to a 7.1 system to setup as 6.1.
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The X2000 is a very capable 7.1 receiver.

If you can afford it, you might consider the 9.2 channel X4000. Two of its advantages are that it supports the highest grade of Audyssey room correction (XT32) and dual subwoofers.

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Maybe I should pony up for the Denon AVR-X2000?

This a popular lower mid level model that offers the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT while the 1504, 1604, E300, and E400 all feature the same lower version of MultEQ and like the Marantz models comes with a 3 year warranty vice only 2 on the Denon "E" series models. Review post #2 below of the Owner's thread for a comparison of each of the 2013 models.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_23134186

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