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It's about time my system got an upgrade and I need assistance choosing the right receiver for me. I'm looking for something to replace my older Sony receiver which has served me very well for over 10 years. I use my system 60/40 for Music vs HT so sound quality is important as well as video quality. I'm also building 2 DIY 18" subwoofers so I have some time before I pull the trigger on a new receiver.

 

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- 7 Channels

- 5 HDMI Inputs

- Subwoofer preout (1 is fine)

- HDMI upconversion and high video quality

- Enough power to push my Polk Audio L/C/R well. The more the better especially in 2 channel 8 ohm driven. L/C/R Preouts (optional)

- Play music from my Android wirelessly. Bluetooth and WIFI are nice options but neither are explicit requirements.

- Audyssey MultEQ or equivalent.

- Great Sound Quality

- Budget is around $700-800. I prefer to pick something up for less.

 

I've heard good things about Audyssey MultEQ XT but I don't know how much of a factor it will be since I will be Equalizing my subs with an Inuke DSP model.

 

Based on what I've read so far the Denon AVR-X2000 looks like a great receiver but I've read the video processing is better on the Onkyo receivers and it only puts out 95W. The Onkyo TX-NR727 seems to have more features but the Denon seems to have higher end features. I would also be willing to go with Yamaha but I've read YPAO is not on par with the Audyssey offerings. I don't know much about the Pioneer or Marantz products but I am open to any suggestions. What do you guys think is the best receiver for me?

 

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Samsung 60" Plasma Smart TV

Front: Polk Audio TSI500

Center: Polk Audio CS20

Rear: Polk Audio TSI300

Subwoofer: 2 DIY 18" MaryCubes under construction

Room: 4000 ft^3

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Although the X2000 has a higher version of Audyssey than the NR727, both versions feature the same exact Sub EQ processing capability while the XT on the X2000 has 8x more speaker filter processing.

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Although the X2000 has a higher version of Audyssey than the NR727, both versions feature the same exact Sub EQ processing capability while the XT on the X2000 has 8x more speaker filter processing.

 

I found a nice link on Audyssey listed below. I will have the subs taken care of with the dsp in the amp anyway. The question is how much difference will XT make in the overall setup? Do you have any other recommendations for receivers?

 

http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/multeq/flavors

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The X2000 is a great choice, although has no main zone pre-outs. You can go to the Marantz sister model to the X2000 (eg. SR5008) for the pre-outs.

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The Marantz SR5008 looks like it has almost everything. The price is too high for me though. The Yamaha RX-V777BT also looks like a good contender. It has preouts as well and comes with wifi. I think I have a very tough decision to make...

 

Edit: I changed the thread title to include the Yamaha.

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I am confused between Yamaha RS-V777BT, Pioneer Elite VSX-80 and Marantz SR5008. I heard Yamaha's YPAO doesnt do as well as Auddyssey though I am not  sure about Pioneer's MCACC.

 

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The Marantz SR5008 looks like it has almost everything. The price is too high for me though. The Yamaha RX-V777BT also looks like a good contender. It has preouts as well and comes with wifi. I think I have a very tough decision to make...

Edit: I changed the thread title to include the Yamaha.

If you are considering the V777, I would suggest you wait another month for the better Aventage A840 to be released which has an extra year of warranty and better parts for only an extra $50 in MSRP.

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Yamaha RX-A1040 will be available in June. As for a similar model in 2013 I believe MSRP will be $1,199. You could possibly get one for $1,099.

 

I agree RX-A1040 is a different beast but the price difference is not $50 but $300 (RX-V777BT is available for $799 on Amazon). For the budget conscious buying the RX-V777 make sense. 

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Thats right. The Aventage series is supposed to be a bit better. thanks.

Btw, I see you deal in Marantz, Denon and others too. Which one amongst Marantz 5008 or Yamaha Aventage 1040 would you pick? or is there a new Marantz coming up soon too? How about Denon's?

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Yamaha RX-A1040 will be available in June. As for a similar model in 2013 I believe MSRP will be $1,199. You could possibly get one for $1,099.

I agree RX-A1040 is a different beast but the price difference is not $50 but $300 (RX-V777BT is available for $799 on Amazon). For the budget conscious buying the RX-V777 make sense. 

Sorry, yes, I meant to refer to the A840 which is still the better buy over the 777.

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Thats right. The Aventage series is supposed to be a bit better. thanks.
Btw, I see you deal in Marantz, Denon and others too. Which one amongst Marantz 5008 or Yamaha Aventage 1040 would you pick? or is there a new Marantz coming up soon too? How about Denon's?

The Denon and Marantz models can EQ the subwoofer while the Yamaha 1040 and lower cannot.

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Do you see Denon or Marantz coming up with any newer models in next month or so. I dont want to wait for a long time though a month or so is okay.

 

I A840 or 777 is higher end model though Marantz will be starting line up for same price. Guessing it will have lesser features as in the past. Is that correct?

 

How does Pioneer VSX-80 compare to these?

 

This is a tough choice for me but I dont want to exceed $1000. Any suggestions?

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With the release of HDMI 2.0, looks like all model releases are delayed a little longer than previous years .... the new lower level 2014 Denon models not likely to ship before June and the lower level Marantz models likely a month or two later.

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The Denon and Marantz models can EQ the subwoofer while the Yamaha 1040 and lower cannot.
I measured (rew) the midlevel ypao myself. It does eq the subwoofer out. Just not very much and the lowest filter is 31hz. Audyssey xt32 improved my bass down to 18hz. Overall 20-20k it wasn't much better though. And xt is not doing eq so well. Bass or highs. All over the recent Audyssey thread.

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How do you know that Yamaha 1040 cannot EQ? Do you mean last year model Yamaha 1030?

 

Yamaha 1040 is not out yet. We don't know its specs. The only sure thing it wifi connectivity will be integrated since newly released mid range models like V777BT have wifi. 

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How do you know that Yamaha 1040 cannot EQ? Do you mean last year model Yamaha 1030?
Until Yamaha does a major redesign of their receiver line all of the mid to high end models have the same ypao capabilities. They just don't have the power supply and processing strength to crunch the numbers. Auto room eq down to under 20hz with lots of filters takes massive computer power. Even the A5000 can't filter below 31hz. They use the exact same filters on the auto ypao as their manual peq. 2014 gets hdmi 2.0 and wifi. Hopefully 2015 gets atmos etc. and good filtering down to 15hz on some models. Both the 777 and 1040 will auto eq the subwoofer output some. But very little and not below 31hz. The ypao flat and natural curves do provide two distinct choices. Both audyssey curves are mostly identical in eq. I do have graphs...
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The Marantz SR5008 looks like it has almost everything. The price is too high for me though. The Yamaha RX-V777BT also looks like a good contender. It has preouts as well and comes with wifi. I think I have a very tough decision to make...

 

Edit: I changed the thread title to include the Yamaha.

 

I am researching on the same lines. I noticed $200 difference between RX-V777BT and RX-V677. The only difference between them seems to be Bluetooth (not important to me) and pre-outs (important!). If those are not important to you, you could look at V677 (it also has WiFi and both will have HDMI 2.0 according to online information). Neither model is shipping yet.

 

The A1040 will be out by the time I am ready to buy, but I did not notice anything of interest to me in the A1030 compared to V777. It has addtional warranty and reviews state that the Aventage line has better  sound.

 

I may also end up with 777 because of the pre-outs so that I can add a 5 channel amp when I am ready.

 

Did you consider Emotiva's Fusion 8100? It also has pre-outs and almost all other features. I like that it is rated at 65 w x 7 with all channels driven.

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Do you guys have any opinion on Marantz 6008. I like what I see so far in this.

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This will be a very tough decision for anyone looking at these receivers with there being a few good options from different manufacturers. In the end, I think price and availability will be the deciding factors for many people. I had been thinking about the choices for a while and had gone down to a local store a few times to compare the different receivers they had in stock. I compared the Yamaha and Onkyo models and found that I was leaning towards the features and the quality of the Onkyo receivers.

 

I ended up getting a great deal on an Onkyo TX-NR828 that I couldn't pass up on. It was on clearance and the fact that I wouldn't have to wait until June for the new models decided it for me. The local store only had one left in stock, so I pulled the trigger. It has everything I was looking for and also has built in bluetooth, wifi, pre-outs and a ton of connections. The 130W per channel doesn't hurt either and it has a very beefy amp. Once I have it dialled in I will post my impressions.

 

I read into the newer models and didn't think they were worth waiting for. I don't think that HDMI 2.0 will make any difference for me honestly. I use an optical cable to run my audio and I don't have a 4K TV or know of any 4K content that I would be watching now or in the not too distant future. I won't be upgrading my setup for years and I don't see 4K going mainstream any time soon. That combined with the cost of upgrading all my components has led me to put off upgrading everything to 4K for a few years.

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I compared the Yamaha and Onkyo models and found that I was leaning towards the features and the quality of the Onkyo receivers

I can understand the features swaying you but how on earth did you arrive to the conclusion of "the quality of the Onkyo receivers"...???
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I can understand the features swaying you but how on earth did you arrive to the conclusion of "the quality of the Onkyo receivers"...???

The size of the amp and how solid the build quality is. I also played around with the dial, buttons and the front tray and it has a quality feel to it. I'm not saying the other receivers are not of a high quality, I just liked the Onkyo. Everyone I've talked to has said that Onkyo makes great receivers with quality amps and great sound. No one said they were perfect or are guaranteed to be without defect. They have had HDMI board issues but I have heard of some issue or another with all the brands I was looking at. I've never heard of a company that has never had any issues with any of their products (including Yamaha and Denon). I also got a 5 year warranty in the deal in case I have any problems but I would have purchased an extended warranty for any receiver I bought.

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The fact is any time you buy a receiver you never know if you are going to get one of the few that has issues. Onkyo and Yamaha both make great products but whenever products are manufactured in large volumes a small percentage will have issues. I've never heard of anyone saying any of these brands made poor quality receivers.

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Jag, now that you have had your Onkyo for a while, how do you like it? Pros, cons?

Jag, now that you have had your Onkyo for a while, how do you like it? Pros, cons? Looking at a 727 and was wondering what your thoughts were as an owner. Thanks!
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Jag, now that you have had your Onkyo for a while, how do you like it? Pros, cons? Looking at a 727 and was wondering what your thoughts were as an owner. Thanks!
The receiver itself is large and heavy which I don't really mind. It also looks a lot better with the front bezel open. The initial speaker setup was straight forward. I used Audyssey for the initial calibration and then modified it manually after to my liking (turned the bass up). There are a lot of options for sound modes for movies, music, TV, etc. The receiver detects whether it is music or whatever and switches to the appropriate mode automatically or you can do it manually. There are more options than I need and you definitely have to play around with more than a few settings to figure out what sounds best to you.

Navigating through the menu took a little while to adjust to but it isn't too bad after a few days. At first it seems very complicated getting all the settings right especially coming from a much simpler receiver. You have to take time and play around with everything to see what effect it has. The plus side is that once you have it dialled in the results are fantastic! Overall the sound is definitely a noticeable upgrade over my previous Sony receiver especially at higher volumes where my Polk towers just come to life!

Pros:
Great sound and video performance
A lot of power with enough connectors to bi-amp and preouts for future proofing
More connectivity then you will ever need: Front: USB, MHL, RCA. Rear: 6 HDMI in, 2 out, composite and optical connections
Built in WIFI, Bluetooth and lots of Apps
Gets warm but not hot after a few hours in an open TV stand with 4" clearance L/R and top

Cons:
It takes a few seconds to initalize when you turn it on and lags when navigating
Makes a louder noise than I'm used to switching modes/sources (I know nitpicking)
No physical manual (cd) but it comes with a quick setup guide

Conclusion: There are a few things I would like to see improved like the sluggishness at times and the menu layout but I have seen the same issues in all receivers in this range from other brands as well. Overall it performs very well and the sound and video are great which is what is most important to me. I am very happy with this purchase so far.

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The receiver itself is large and heavy which I don't really mind. It also looks a lot better with the front bezel open. The initial speaker setup was straight forward. I used Audyssey for the initial calibration and then modified it manually after to my liking (turned the bass up). There are a lot of options for sound modes for movies, music, TV, etc. The receiver detects whether it is music or whatever and switches to the appropriate mode automatically or you can do it manually. There are more options than I need and you definitely have to play around with more than a few settings to figure out what sounds best to you.

Navigating through the menu took a little while to adjust to but it isn't too bad after a few days. At first it seems very complicated getting all the settings right especially coming from a much simpler receiver. You have to take time and play around with everything to see what effect it has. The plus side is that once you have it dialled in the results are fantastic! Overall the sound is definitely a noticeable upgrade over my previous Sony receiver especially at higher volumes where my Polk towers just come to life!

Pros:
Great sound and video performance
A lot of power with enough connectors to bi-amp and preouts for future proofing
More connectivity then you will ever need: Front: USB, MHL, RCA. Rear: 6 HDMI in, 2 out, composite and optical connections
Built in WIFI, Bluetooth and lots of Apps
Gets warm but not hot after a few hours in an open TV stand with 4" clearance L/R and top

Cons:
It takes a few seconds to initalize when you turn it on and lags when navigating
Makes a louder noise than I'm used to switching modes/sources (I know nitpicking)
No physical manual (cd) but it comes with a quick setup guide

Conclusion: There are a few things I would like to see improved like the sluggishness at times and the menu layout but I have seen the same issues in all receivers in this range from other brands as well. Overall it performs very well and the sound and video are great which is what is most important to me. I am very happy with this purchase so far.
Thanks for the info. I have researched this to death and reviews to be very similar to yours. Thank you for your response, I really appreciate it!!
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The Marantz SR5008 looks like it has almost everything. The price is too high for me though. The Yamaha RX-V777BT also looks like a good contender. It has preouts as well and comes with wifi. I think I have a very tough decision to make...

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If you are considering the V777, I would suggest you wait another month for the better Aventage A840 to be released which has an extra year of warranty and better parts for only an extra $50 in MSRP.
Interesting that Yamaha includes the YBA-11 BT adapter with the RX-V777BT but no BT for the RX-A840 nor any of the new 40 series Adventage AVRs. Of course you can pick up the YBA-11 for ~$50.

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