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Onkyo 605...not the 805.
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http://www.cnet.com/products/onkyo-tx-sr805/

Read it yourself. Even as a comparison they show 4 other receivers in the same $400 street price range.

The article refers to the 605 at the $400 street price, not the 805. "The release of the Onkyo TX-SR605 has changed the playing field for AV receivers, by offering a solid selection of cutting-edge features at a street price as low as $400"
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Not that a list price means a lot particularly....but probably closer to $600-700 street price when new? They should be more reliable in any case but as with many electronics now its somewhat a crap shoot.

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I recommend using Onkyo receivers as Pre-Amp only, this way the Amp section stay cools and the HDMI boards will NOT over heat and fail.

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Not that a list price means a lot particularly....but probably closer to $600-700 street price when new?
I paid $899 shipped back in 2007...
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I recommend using Onkyo receivers as Pre-Amp only, this way the Amp section stay cools and the HDMI boards will NOT over heat and fail.
I have read of quite a few in these forums using their Onkyos as a pre-amp only and even with fans on top of unit for extra cooling and yet still having the HDMI board failure.
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I don't know, fellas; sometimes I truly believe a price point has nothing to do with quality in the general sense -- I am STILL running a TX-SR605 in my main 5.1 setup and had this unit since it was released many years ago. Haven't had ONE issue with it...further, nothing is making me feel like "well, I paid under 500 bucks for this thing so it's gotta go sometime..." It's been running fine with zero issues (save for the random audio dropout/lock on issue I experienced sometimes when the 605 was hooked up to a first generation Panasonic BD player) and it has NEVER shut down due to "overheating" nor experienced any HDMI failures...

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I paid $899 shipped back in 2007...
That's a far above from my...ahem... "Quote" of $400. at that price I'd expect the receiver to last longer. Now on the other hand, I'm blessed to never own anything longer than 4 years, so how stable HDMI ports beyond 4 years, I don't know.

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...at that price I'd expect the receiver to last longer.
I agree...mine is used everyday and is still going strong.

BTW, you are not an idiot and I have enjoyed reading your posts across this forum...
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I don't know, fellas; sometimes I truly believe a price point has nothing to do with quality in the general sense -- I am STILL running a TX-SR605 in my main 5.1 setup and had this unit since it was released many years ago. Haven't had ONE issue with it
As it is an older model just before HDMI failures started becoming problematic... saying "I have had an Onkyo AVR for years with no problem" is cold comfort for the people that have had problems with later model units.
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As it is an older model just before HDMI failures started becoming problematic... saying "I have had an Onkyo AVR for years with no problem" is cold comfort for the people that have had problems with later model units.
The 605s didn't have any HDMI failure issues? When did it begin...with the 606s?


I didn't mean to offer any "cold comfort;" was just expressing my experiences with the brand and my units -- and trying to drive home the opinion that just because something costs a certain amount of money, as was suggested earlier in the thread, it doesn't mean it's destined to fail.


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That's a far above from my...ahem... "Quote" of $400. at that price I'd expect the receiver to last longer. Now on the other hand, I'm blessed to never own anything longer than 4 years, so how stable HDMI ports beyond 4 years, I don't know.
$899 for an 805 was on the high side
I assume he bought it shortly after it was released

As I recall you could get one mid year for about $750...maybe even $700

The following year there were refurbs galore of the 805 for less than $500...875 models for a little less than $600 and 905 models for $725

At that time you could buy them though Onkyo( shoponkyo.com...accessories4less.com and ecost.com)...all refurbs
I bought my first refurb 875 for $569.00( shipped from ecost.com) in 2009....silver unit

It was stellar and completely spanked the Yamaha 6090 that it took the place of in every way

Those things were tanks..I think it had almost a 20lb weight gain over the Yamaha 6090

On another note I also bought a yamaha z7 years later than had an HDMI board failure

So...there are more HDMI board failures out there than Onkyo


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I hear nothing but great things about the 805....it is a much coveted model in Onkyo's classic lineup; I wish I could have purchased that one...


From what I understand, this thing was built like a proverbial tank and boasted output like a good power amp...was a gorgeous beauty too...

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I hear nothing but great things about the 805....it is a much coveted model in Onkyo's classic lineup; I wish I could have purchased that one...


From what I understand, this thing was built like a proverbial tank and boasted output like a good power amp...was a gorgeous beauty too...
of that series which I consider the XX5 and XX6 models

the 906 is the one to have....all the power and extra HDMI ports as well

the 805 had crippled video processing and not enough HDMI ports( in or out)

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of that series which I consider the XX5 and XX6 models

the 906 is the one to have....all the power and extra HDMI ports as well

the 805 had crippled video processing and not enough HDMI ports( in or out)

Warren

Indeed, Warren? I heard good things about the 906, as well -- both looked like sheer aluminum faceplate-fronted brutes...


Was the 805's video PASSTHROUGH crippled as well...or just its processing?

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I bought a refurb 626 on Woot for $289 a few months ago. The refurbs already have the HDMI board fix onboard so I figured I couldn't lose. Time will tell if I did ok or not
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Indeed, Warren? I heard good things about the 906, as well -- both looked like sheer aluminum faceplate-fronted brutes...


Was the 805's video PASSTHROUGH crippled as well...or just its processing?
the processing

and with one those vintage Onkyos you want the extra HDMI ports...LOL

The 906 I have right now was bought as "junk" for $125.00

One of the HDMI outputs is not working and one of the inputs is not working

So..I have functioning on the 906 what the 805 has in terms of HDMI Ins/Outs

The receiver works great and its serves me well in a spare room

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the processing

Oh, well I would be using the receiver -- as I do with my current 605 -- for video passthrough only, no processing...

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and with one those vintage Onkyos you want the extra HDMI ports...LOL

Only have a Blu-ray player connected for HDMI duties, so another non-issue for me...

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Oh, well I would be using the receiver -- as I do with my current 605 -- for video passthrough only, no processing...




Only have a Blu-ray player connected for HDMI duties, so another non-issue for me...
Well...with this vintage of Onkyo the 90X series has a step up power supply

Extra HDMI inputs are beautiful thing on these...ESPECIALLY on the output side of things

There are many owners who have a ailed HDMI output and are using the other output

The 805/875 only offers one HDMI output...if it goes you are SOL


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Well...with this vintage of Onkyo the 90X series has a step up power supply

Oh, well THAT I would be interested in, because the main reason I would even be looking to upgrade my 605 would be for more raw power...

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I recommend using Onkyo receivers as Pre-Amp only, this way the Amp section stay cools and the HDMI boards will NOT over heat and fail.
I agree the higher line Onkyo receivers actually serve very nicely as a pre-pro. I've used my 809 with a power amp for the front L/R channels for the 2.5 years I've had it, with no issues. I do use the 809 to power the surround channels in my 4.0 system.

IMO, people buy Onkyos partly because, as has been mentioned, of the feature set you get for the price. But they also sound VERY good as receivers go. My 809 replaced my Yamaha RX-V1800, which was very well respected, but it was immediately apparent how much better the Onkyo sounded.

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Oh, well THAT I would be interested in, because the main reason I would even be looking to upgrade my 605 would be for more raw power...
the 805 would offer you substantially more power reserves than the 605
In another realm would be my definition of the differences there

the 90X would be more incremental from there..power wise

As I recall Audioholics benched the 875 at 140wpc with 5 channels driven and 128 WPC with 7 channels driven

I am thinking the 875 had the same power supply/amp config as the 875

I would say with the 605 you would drop 40-50 WPC with 5 channels driven along with higher levels of distortion



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But they also sound VERY good as receivers go.

I TOTALLY agree and is why I have always been a fan of this brand since being introduced to it by a friend many moons ago...


My next AVR will likely be an Onkyo even if I have to use it just for powering the surrounds and sending off the duties of the three fronts to an external amp...

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the 805 would offer you substantially more power reserves than the 605
In another realm would be my definition of the differences there

the 90X would be more incremental from there..power wise

As I recall Audioholics benched the 875 at 140wpc with 5 channels driven and 128 WPC with 7 channels driven

I am thinking the 875 had the same power supply/amp config as the 875

I would say with the 605 you would drop 40-50 WPC with 5 channels driven along with higher levels of distortion



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Well I am getting VERY high levels of SPL with my 605 right now with ZERO distortion so I don't really know just how much a new AVR or power amp would benefit me; we never get it past a certain volume, in fact, before my wife asks me to lower it...


Still, with regard to my original comment about this, I would like to SEE just what my RTi12 Polks are capable of with some heavy duty external juice.

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I don't think there's any correlation between cost and reliability. When you spend more on a receiver in a particular lineup, you typically are not getting better quality components, you're getting more features and maybe a higher rated power supply. If anything, the more expensive receivers have more things that can go wrong and are more likely to have an issue. I have some old bare bones receivers that I use for 2 channel sound in my exercise room, computer etc... that are over 15 years old and work great.
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Well I am getting VERY high levels of SPL with my 605 right now with ZERO distortion so I don't really know just how much a new AVR or power amp would benefit me; we never get it past a certain volume, in fact, before my wife asks me to lower it...


Still, with regard to my original comment about this, I would like to SEE just what my RTi12 Polks are capable of with some heavy duty external juice.
I had a typo before

I meant to say the 875 has the same amp/power supply config as the 805

In listening to a high end receiver its really not about the SPL...because you know it takes 10x the wattage to place twice as loud

Its really about the amount of distortion at a given SPL

So..if your current unit has ZERO...then expect a 90X receiver to have zero minus 30..lol

You would also notice a difference in dynamics and smoothness

If you had low impedance speakers that would also even make a bigger difference with a better amp

I would suspect if you did a double blind test with a 90X....you would be able to easily tell the difference

think about it...there is about 25lbs difference in the two units
I bet 95% of that weight is in the bigger amp/power supply in the unit


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I don't think there's any correlation between cost and reliability. When you spend more on a receiver in a particular lineup, you typically are not getting better quality components, you're getting more features and maybe a higher rated power supply. If anything, the more expensive receivers have more things that can go wrong and are more likely to have an issue. I have some old bare bones receivers that I use for 2 channel sound in my exercise room, computer etc... that are over 15 years old and work great.
yes and no

I think some of the receiver manufacturers build their lower end models at 3rd party locations

while the flagship models are usually done in a more controlled environment

Doesn't necessarily mean the lower end ones are not built to a standard...I guess it just implies that QA might be an issue more often

I do agree that newer units...as a whole..are not as reliable

In many cases they are cheaper( adjusted for inflation) than they were a decade ago as well


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There is no way you could buy an 805 AVR in August of 2007 for $400....
The article is wrong. Th best deals at the time were high 600's at circuit city with major price matching and coupon abuse! A HD-DVD/ blu ray player was about 400 though.

And lightly used = watch TV at embarrassing low levels. Wife = noise police!

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Latest HD-DVD: All of them at Frys for under $10.

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