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Honestly, I might consider adding a second LFM-1 Plus before upgrading the receiver.

But with respect to the query... The question of "what would be a good upgrade" depends on what your needs are, which you haven't really specified. Are you looking for more features? More power? Better sound quality? The ability to go beyond 7ch? Better multizone functions?

The best update you could make to sound quality (in terms of the processor itself, not upgrading speakers or room acoustics) would be moving up from basic MultEQ to XT32. If you don't need the new features like Bluetooth or WiFi, and won't be investing in Atmos, trying to grab an X4000 on closeout would be a great move. And would also make the most out of a potential dual sub setup (which IMO is a must for any dedicated HT room, especially one that size).

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Bought the x2100. Having severe bluetooth issues, where playback stops and the Denon winds up not noticing any state changes. Then one a device disconnects, it won't reconnect. Need to power off and pull the plug before I can get any bluetooth devices working again. Even after that it takes a long amount of time for bluetooth to connect and start working again.

After pulling the plug I often wind up in a scenario where the bluetooth input is showing incorrect video output, I've seen it show the online audio page, a blank denon logo, a blank screen.

Tried probably about half a dozen devices, all seem to exhibit the same problems.



Very similar to this Denon AVR-X2100W Bluetooth problem
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So I bought an AVR-X2100W and hooked it up to all my gear. It's been great so far until today. I was playing my iPhone via bluetooth and it disconnected. When I tried to re-pair my phone to the receiver, my phone would not recognize the receiver's Bluetooth. Tried it with my iPad Air and get the same thing. The receiver's Bluetooth is not discoverable. The firmware is up to date. I tried turning the receiver off and back on, and hard resetting my phone and iPad and still can't discover the receiver's Bluetooth. Anyone encounter the same problem or have a fix for this?

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I tried powering the receiver off, unplugging it, plugging it back in, powering it on, and now it's a hell of a lot worse. The receiver is all screwed up. Internet radio doesn't work. It is slow to respond to commands. What a mess.
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Reset the microprocessor per post ##5 of this thread.

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Reset the microprocessor per post ##5 of this thread.
Will try that and report back.

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Does anyone know what the advantages of going with the x5200/7200 over the x4100 outside of additional ch's and amp power? I'm only going to use 5.1 and I'll match it with a 3ch amp to power the fronts.
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Noticed in the video that he has three position for Audyssey. What happens in my case if I have just one (LoveChair) I noticed that Audyssey is asking for my second seating position even tho I dont have one. How could I continue with the test, it just give me a cancel button or a back button on the screen............
Background here - you are misunderstanding the point of the number and placement of mic positions:

d)5. Why do I need to measure where nobody sits?
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Does anyone know what the advantages of going with the x5200/7200 over the x4100 outside of additional ch's and amp power? I'm only going to use 5.1 and I'll match it with a 3ch amp to power the fronts.
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Thanks. I scanned through about 20 pages and I couldn't find a confirmation that the 4100 will have hdcp 2.2. Has any additional information been discusssed that I missed?
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External dimensions of the upcoming Atmos enabled AVRs from Denon; i.e., height X width X depth, preferably in inches, especially the x7200.
Not official yet until manuals are available, but looks like the X4100W and X5200W dimensions will be 17.1"W x 7.4"H (0.8" higher than the X4000) x 15"D with the only change from the X4000 dimensions being the additional height. Nothing likely available on X7200W until November.
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Thanks. I scanned through about 20 pages and I couldn't find a confirmation that the 4100 will have hdcp 2.2. Has any additional information been discusssed that I missed?
None of the 2014 Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, or Yamaha models will be HDCP 2.2

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Hey guys, I'm getting no audio from my X2000. Any ideas? I tried all of the obvious stuff, cables are connected fine, mute is "off" proper inputs etc.

I should add I've had this receiver for about 2 months and it's worked great, turned it on last night and no sound but everything looks the same on the display. There's a chance my 2 year old hit something on the front of it but I can't tell if he did and if so what since the display is the same. I've gone through the menus and don't see any settings that appear off.

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None of the 2014 Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, or Yamaha models will be HDCP 2.2
Damn, that's so disapointing. I didn't upgrade to the x400 last year because of the lack of HDMI 2.0 and now this. It never ends.
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Can HDCP 2.2 be supplied via software upgrade?


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Damn, that's so disapointing. I didn't upgrade to the x400 last year because of the lack of HDMI 2.0 and now this. It never ends.
This is why IMO you shouldn't care about "future proofing" because it's a never ending cycle. You could have been enjoying the X4000 all year and then upgraded when you felt something worthwhile to you has arrived at some point in the future.

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Damn, that's so disapointing. I didn't upgrade to the x400 last year because of the lack of HDMI 2.0 and now this. It never ends.

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This is why IMO you shouldn't care about "future proofing" because it's a never ending cycle. You could have been enjoying the X4000 all year and then upgraded when you felt something worthwhile to you has arrived at some point in the future.
I'm thinking I might as well go with the x400 when the new model is released. If I'll have to bypass the amp for hdcp 2.2 there's no need for hdmi 2.0.
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I ended up sacrificing audyssey in the new onkyo nr636 to have a hdcp 2.2 port (which interesting works with hdcp 1 devices. I asked Denon UK twice and they never got back to me when I was waiting for a x2100. It was probably intentional. I don't like how sly they were with the specs. I read the review of the x2100 being soft with bass so quite happy with my purchase. I'll get my coat.

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I didn't reset the microprocessor but did leave it unplugged for a while and after firing the X2100 back up the Bluetooth now works again (as do the rest of the receiver's functions). Hope this isn't a recurrent problem.
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I didn't reset the microprocessor but did leave it unplugged for a while and after firing the X2100 back up the Bluetooth now works again (as do the rest of the receiver's functions). Hope this isn't a recurrent problem.
Have you tried bluetooth for an extended period of time? I can only get mine to last about 20 minutes at most.
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Im about to purchase a X2100W, seems like these are having some BT issues?
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I've got 3 out in the field. 1 customer doesn't use it at all, 1 customer uses it all day without issue and another has nothing but problems with Bluetooth and is losing video on his cbl/sat hdmi connection.

I'm headed over there late this afternoon to have a look...
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I'd also love to hear some reports of WiFi performance / stability for streaming audio applications.

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I'd also love to hear some reports of WiFi performance / stability for streaming audio applications.
Using wifi on my s700w and streaming pandora through it without issues. Also the Denon app for the iPhone is awesome as if I am on my deck, I can switch Pandora stations via the Denon App for the receiver. No more going inside to change channels. Stable for me on my wifi network. No issues.
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I've got 3 out in the field. 1 customer doesn't use it at all, 1 customer uses it all day without issue and another has nothing but problems with Bluetooth and is losing video on his cbl/sat hdmi connection.

I'm headed over there late this afternoon to have a look...
FWIW, supposedly FIOS is having Pandora transmission problems.
e.g. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r293...ffering-Issues

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Nothing to report, customer failed to tell me about a near by lightning strike that took out his pool pump, garage door opener, irrigation panel, ceiling fans and on and on. The X2100w was taken out by the DirectTV box. I swapped it out for a new one and will send this one back for repairs. I'll use it as a loner unit when it gets back.

Can't comment on the wifi. I sell these as part of a larger system with network control. All my AVR's are wired 100%.
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I ended up sacrificing audyssey in the new onkyo nr636 to have a hdcp 2.2 port (which interesting works with hdcp 1 devices. I asked Denon UK twice and they never got back to me when I was waiting for a x2100. It was probably intentional. I don't like how sly they were with the specs. I read the review of the x2100 being soft with bass so quite happy with my purchase. I'll get my coat.
Interesting since HDCP 2.2 is not spec'd to be backwards compatible. Those tricky Onkyo guys.

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