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Depends on whether you plan on paying for an ISF calibration of your TV as these settings are designed for the professional calibrator to use.

besides, an avr seems like a wrong place in the chain do such a calibration. it should be done on a display.
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Oh you have to pay for ISF calibration on the T.V? No thanks to that. Thank you for letting me know on that though. What about the 4k upscaling? Main reason I'd want this is I have a lot of gaming consoles and if it can help older systems look better on a future 4k t.v, then that might be worth it. Maybe I am wrong on how that works?

Correct. There is a Day and Night setting for the professional to use to set the calibrated settings for each input. If your old game device video doesn't look good on your 1080p display ... don't count on any improvement with a 4k display. Garbage in ==> Garbage out. Upgrade to 1080p game devices if you want better video quality.
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besides, an avr seems like a wrong place in the chain do such a calibration. it should be done on a display.

And it would be. However, the ISF setting can additionally be tweaked for each individual source by the ISF professional.
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Ok guys, seems to be a lot more talk on the Denon's versus the Pioneer's. Here's my question:

Pioneer Elite VSX-80 ($699) vs. Denon AVR-X2100 ($699)?

They both seem to be geared toward same user base. I'v had a Pioneer for four years and have "mostly" been pleased.

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Oh you have to pay for ISF calibration on the T.V? No thanks to that. Thank you for letting me know on that though. What about the 4k upscaling? Main reason I'd want this is I have a lot of gaming consoles and if it can help older systems look better on a future 4k t.v, then that might be worth it. Maybe I am wrong on how that works?

You absolutely would not want any upscaling on when playing video games in my opinion or at least not anymore upscaling than your TV is already doing if you have a 4k TV. You are just increasing input lag at that point. Correct me if I am wrong here.

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hmm interesting, whathifi in the uk seems to think that there will be 3 more X series units on the high end side (http://www.whathifi.com/news/denon-confirms-details-of-the-first-x-series-av-receivers-for-2014):
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There are details still to follow on the range's three high-end models, though we do know product names and prices - namely the AVR-X4100W, £1299, the AVR-X5200W, £1699, and the AVR-X7200W, £2399.

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Seems to me with the x2100 being £500 and the x3100 at £800 there should be a x2150 at £650 without the preout and zone 2 stuff. I just want a avr with 4k60hz scaler and DTS neo as well as the other x2100 specs

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Depends on whether you plan on paying for an ISF calibration of your TV as these settings are designed for the professional calibrator to use.

besides, an avr seems like a wrong place in the chain do such a calibration. it should be done on a display.

But that presents the problem with a modern AVR user that all sources will run through the AVR, meaning you can't have input specific calibrations like you would if each device is connected individually to the display. So I think as JD points out the concept would be to set a "baseline" calibration at the display and then be able to make tweaks to each input.
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hmm interesting, whathifi in the uk seems to think that there will be 3 more X series units on the high end side (http://www.whathifi.com/news/denon-confirms-details-of-the-first-x-series-av-receivers-for-2014):

 

That was my understanding, but I can't recall where I garnered that impression.  See my earlier post #31 from three weeks ago:

 

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Can you confirm whether the above timeline for the X3100W/X4100W also applies to the X5200W?  And can we still anticipate that the latter model will be positioned as a step down from the new flagship replacement model to be introduced in late 2014 or early 2015? 

 

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That was my understanding, but I can't recall where I garnered that impression.  See my earlier post #31 from three weeks ago:

Well my surprise was the fact that they mentioned a X7200 as well as the expected X4100 and X5200...

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That was my understanding, but I can't recall where I garnered that impression.  See my earlier post #31 from three weeks ago:

 

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JD,

 

Can you confirm whether the above timeline for the X3100W/X4100W also applies to the X5200W?  And can we still anticipate that the latter model will be positioned as a step down from the new flagship replacement model to be introduced in late 2014 or early 2015? 

 

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Well my surprise was the fact that they mentioned a X7200 as well as the expected X4100 and X5200...

 

Indeed, if their information is correct that would be the presumed nomenclature of the aforementioned new flagship model replacing the AVR-4520CI and would imply that the X5200 is a new model tier between the current X4000 and the 4520.

 

JD, can you divulge any particulars on this score?


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I am going to buy a new Denon probably the X3100 but no firm decision yet, I use an Ipad and ATV(given to a family member to access netflix while I await the new one), also an Amazon Fire(retired the roku). I have a 5.1 set-up and am not really interested in further speakers at this time(could change). I wonder if the system described in this article will be accessible on the X3100 and if the June 26 event may be the release date for the X3100 also.

It seems like everybody is going after Sonos in the wireless home audio space, and Denon is next.

Denon announced a new wireless home audio platform today called HEOS. There will be three HEOS speakers to start: the HEOS3 ($300 USD), HEOS5 ($400), HEOS7 ($600).

HEOS works using your existing Wi-Fi network, has both dual-band support, and works with 802.11N networks. There will be a dedicated app for iOS and Android, and the speakers will be able to play content stored on mobile drives, NAS drives, and connected USB drives.

Beyond that, there's no much more information available right now. Denon says HEOS will work with "leading online music services" and "top cloud sources," but will announce supported services at a later time. There will be amplifier and preamplifier products eventually (a la the Sonos Connect and Sonos Connect Amp), but there's no more information beyond that. Even the differences between the announced HEOS speakers aren't clear at the moment.

Without any more specifics, it's hard to judge how HEOS will stack up to its competitors. Denon is planning a press event on June 26, where it's likely the more details will be released and we'll have a better idea how HEOS fits in the rapidly expanding wireless audio market. http://www.cnet.com/products/denon-heos3/
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I'm not sure I will ever go wireless audio for a home theatre, but for a zone 2 in a different room wireless speakers that automatically interface with my receiver without worry could be nice.
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Indeed, if their information is correct that would be the presumed nomenclature of the aforementioned new flagship model replacing the AVR-4520CI and would imply that the X5200 is a new model tier between the current X4000 and the 4520.

JD, can you divulge any particulars on this score?

Sorry, but not at this time.
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I'm not sure I will ever go wireless audio for a home theatre, but for a zone 2 in a different room wireless speakers that automatically interface with my receiver without worry could be nice.

For the workout room It would be nice to use my Ipad(I use Siri to set timers), to turn on the Denon, and hear music on the soon to be introduced new system, I agree wired for the HT.
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I'm not sure I will ever go wireless audio for a home theatre, but for a zone 2 in a different room wireless speakers that automatically interface with my receiver without worry could be nice.

The HEOS system has analog inputs as well as an optical input so it could be connected to either Zone 2 (or Zone 3) pre-outs on an AVR.
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I am not advocating purchase from Amazon(no pay-pal) but they do have the S900W and others in the series, with a ship date of 6/23. Neat little video. No X3100 yet. ron
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I am not advocating purchase from Amazon(no pay-pal) but they do have the S900W and others in the series, with a ship date of 6/23. Neat little video. No X3100 yet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EXTVPOE/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0PYSYJK20XV45C3SE2ME&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846
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So the news about there being a possible x7200 as the new flagship with another option above the x4100 is interesting but what is up with the model numbering system? Why can't the upper models just be the x5100 & x7100 instead? I do like Denon and have for some time but sometimes their model numbering system leaves me scratching my head. Sorry, just had to rant a little bit. rolleyes.gif

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I am not advocating purchase from Amazon(no pay-pal) but they do have the S900W and others in the series, with a ship date of 6/23. Neat little video. No X3100 yet. ron

We can do Paypal at AV Science. Taking pre-orders now on all models from the X2100W and lower. smile.gif The X3100W won't likely be available until August along with the X4100W.
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We can do Paypal at AV Science. Taking pre-orders now on all models from the X2100W and lower. smile.gif The X3100W won't likely be available until August along with the X4100W.

 

Why don't they provide the release dates on the models at one time?

 

Also, why does it seem like all the review websites are all saying June/July release date for X3100W?

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Pretty simple: it's all nonsense 3-5 months out and they don't know with great precision themselves until some volatile production parameters begin coming into focus. You see the same show every year- there was talk about a 7200 months ago out and about- google it and you'll find it immediately. As for "what will have what" the chips will fall very obviously...no one goes out on a limb to dump any "insider info" because they don't have any. Internet bluffing has been a booming industry for a decade plus now.

The idea that someone who sells receivers has some secret info that hasn't appeared on the world wide web is right up there with the government flying 747's into skyscrapers...sounds great if you want to believe it.

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But that presents the problem with a modern AVR user that all sources will run through the AVR, meaning you can't have input specific calibrations like you would if each device is connected individually to the display. So I think as JD points out the concept would be to set a "baseline" calibration at the display and then be able to make tweaks to each input.

Hmm now this is making me intrigued.... I have a Samsung F9000 and will be doing ISF calibration. My stocking point had always been with the fact that I have one input to the TV - my receiver. All sources are not created equal. This feature definitely allows full individual tweaks for various inputs? Or just a simplified calibration? Anywhere to find what exactly can be tweaked via the AVR?

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In addition to the standard Custom Mode settings, the ISF settings also include different gamma curves for Day/Night.
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The idea that someone who sells receivers has some secret info that hasn't appeared on the world wide web is right up there with...sounds great if you want to believe it.

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that. NDAs can be pretty powerful.  Just sayin.

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I would and did. Again, there's a reason why there's thousands of them and no info on the internet. Pretty easy to connect the dots.
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(did you mean OEMs?)  I guarantee that there are people on this board that know more about Denon's future product lineup than what is posted/leaked/faked on the internet. Denon has some great new products in its 2014-2015 road map.  Just be patient. :)


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Why don't they provide the release dates on the models at one time?

Also, why does it seem like all the review websites are all saying June/July release date for X3100W?

If all the models were going to be released at the same time, they would. As this year involves a major HDMI change, that is not the case, so there's no rush in providing actual release dates until those dates are more certain. Also some dealers receive the products before others.
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It's directed at any vendor who claims to have all of this "insider info" but just can't tell anyone.

There's absolutely no point to it and unnecessarily exposes the CEM. Think about it...what is the point?

"Here; take this secret info about our upcoming product line...but just don't tell a
single soul about it."

Makes zero sense- and again- the fact that NONE of it's leaked onto the internet speaks volumes about those making claims to the contrary.

Or wait, thousands of people know something outside of DM but just haven't said as much.

Sure I guess- multi million dollar companies releasing insider info to entities selling a couple dozen or a hundred units of their product? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm out ad will wait the month or two for the release info.

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