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A buddy of mine is asking me advice on building his theater and has quite a budget set aside for it.

It's a 5.1 system and I was going to get a 5 channel Emotiva amp for the speakers and just get a receiver that had pre-outs and send that to the amp, meaning the amp on the receiver would not matter and I could save him some money on a reciever.

I have the Emotiva UMC-1 and It has been a little frustrating because it will lose the audio channel, have trouble handshaking with devices, and has frozen a couple of times, so I'm hesitant to recommend this to him.

Any recommendations for a pre-proccessor/receiver?

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The Denon X4000 is very well liked around here.

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I was going to recommend that receiver as well. Also, if refurbished receivers are an option then I would look at Accessories4less.com.
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That Yamaha is a good deal, but be aware that the Yamaha uses YPAO room EQ and the Denon uses Audyssey XT32 which is much better at calibrating the low frequencies. If bass is important to you, I would go with XT32.

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That Yamaha is a good deal, but be aware that the Yamaha uses YPAO room EQ and the Denon uses Audyssey XT32 which is much better at calibrating the low frequencies. If bass is important to you, I would go with XT32.

Bass is pretty good with that Yamaha. Tight and punchy and bass lines don't get lost at different frequencies. I don't know how much, if anything, YPAO does with subs, but for your mains it is fine and you can add cheap calibration for your sub woofers if you find you need it. Just my experience.

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nice for you to helping a buddy.
this is the place for lots of informed folks.
So its interesting to see the reaction for the price differential between the 775, mines about a month old while I get my 818 fixed.
my 775 was around $500 with the newegg deal but a X4000 is anywhere from 500 to 700 more.
but the basics here wrt to eliciting comment and advice would include considerations like
room size/geometry and or any attached total volume
listening / viewing preferences
allocations for amp/speakers/subs, screen/TV/projectors/players

most here will help but there is more basic info needed wrt to a more comprehensive and satisfying build with a minimal infection/itch of up-grade-it is.

Once my 818 is repaired, and I see hot hot it runs (I don't expect much) I expect to go for the X4000. with the Emotiva UPA 7 it will be a great combo.
Has your friend viewed the various set-ups folks post about here/

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The day of cheap receivers with pre-outs are over.

I was in the same boat.. wanted to get a cheap pre/pro (does not exist for anything < $500) and add amplification.

Cheapest (NEW) combo is going to be closeout/last year's model mid tier CE receiver (like the Yamaha mentioned above), which usually means $400 (used/closeout/last year model) to $600 (Outlaw 975 or Emotiva UMC-200 or other on discount). for the unit.

Cheapest PRE/PRO + amp will always be more expensive than $800 receiver.

So ongoing replacement in the future is going to always be 500->600 if replacing just a pre/pro, or receiver that has pre-outs.
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nice for you to helping a buddy.
this is the place for lots of informed folks.
So its interesting to see the reaction for the price differential between the 775, mines about a month old while I get my 818 fixed.
my 775 was around $500 with the newegg deal but a X4000 is anywhere from 500 to 700 more.
but the basics here wrt to eliciting comment and advice would include considerations like
room size/geometry and or any attached total volume
listening / viewing preferences
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most here will help but there is more basic info needed wrt to a more comprehensive and satisfying build with a minimal infection/itch of up-grade-it is.

Once my 818 is repaired, and I see hot hot it runs (I don't expect much) I expect to go for the X4000. with the Emotiva UPA 7 it will be a great combo.
Has your friend viewed the various set-ups folks post about here/

I researched this all a long time ago for myself, but I got an Epik subwoofer (now Epik is gone) and all Emotiva gear. Some I'd do again, others I wouldn't. I'm still piecing together what all I want to look at, but here's what I know.

His room is not enclosed. Its a top of the staircase/play area type room. Its pretty square and he built his house anticipating to use it as a theater room, so much of the holes/wires are already run. He will primarily be using it for blu-ray/general tv (sports) watching. He's not a huge music listener, at least through this type of setup.

The room is 15' x 21', but the screen is on the side wall for geometry reasons (damn windows and load bearing pillars).

What I've put together is far is:

Amp: Emotiva XPA - 5
Sub: SVS SB-2000
Speakers: unknown. He wants some B&W speakers (another buddy has 2 towers of these), but that was the next part of my research. Most likely towers in front and side wall mounted speakers in back.
Projector: Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 5030UB
Screen: 100 - 120 (he's deciding)
Reciever: unknown

Almost all the players/amps/cable boxes etc are going in a closet that he had connected to his AC.
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What made you go with a sealed sub?

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What made you go with a sealed sub?

I just have one and I heard they were more punchy. I did read that sealed subs are better for bigger rooms. I'm not married to it, and if I were advised to go ported, I would.
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Just curious. I believe sealed is more punchy/better defined but ported has more output and better extension down to the frequency the port was tuned to. For music, I would definitely prefer sealed but for movies it's not as clear.

HSU has some subs in the same price range that are designed to switch between ported and sealed mode through an included plug. Something to think about.

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General rule of thumb is:

Large room (more than 3000 cubic feet) = ported
Small room (less than 3000 cubic feet) = sealed

There are ported subs that reportedly sound great with music (i.e. PSA XV15se).

If you want to chase ULF (Ultra Low Frequencies, under 18hz), sealed is usually the answer.

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