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That's like saying the X3100W is the current flagship model as it is the highest model currently available, but it doesn't change the fact that the X7200W is the new flagship and successor to the 4520CI and the X5200W is simply a "tween" model (ie. X4100W/X7200W).

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It's comforting to know the 7200 will be a "modern" AVR "flagship":

Really nothing of substance to warrant its hefty premium, short of components/inputs with bigger numbers (read: amp channels with 10 more watts, 32 bit DACs, more antiquated analog inputs, etc)

And yep-- it'll prolly be taller and people will swear it sounds better than the 5200- 99.98% without ever even nearing a level-matched ABX between the 2.

Heck, maybe they'll bring back the iron foot of the 100th anniv AVR!

Good news so far then!

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That's like saying the X3100W is the current flagship model as it is the highest model currently available, but it doesn't change the fact that the X7200W is the new flagship and successor to the 4520CI and the X5200W is simply a "tween" model (ie. X4100W/X7200W).
well, the 43xx or 45xx weren't flagships at times there came a 48xx, only when not, so nothing new under the sun.

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Actually ... they were ... 48XX series came years before.

Bottom line .... X7200W has better components, better DACs, and more features ... the true 2014 "flagship."

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"better components".

Yeah, ok. And I cannot wait to discover these meaningful features over the 5200.

To be continued...

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"better components".

Yeah, ok. And I cannot wait to discover these meaningful features over the 5200.

To be continued...

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No one is making you buy anything. I don't get the agenda here. Buy what is right for you. If you don't think the 7200 is worth the price difference then buy what makes sense to you and for you. If somebody else thinks the price difference is worth it then they can pursue their purchase. Nobody needs to convince anybody their point of view is right because people have different financial resources, different things that matter to them and make decisions based on their own set of criteria...not your set of criteria...and not my set of criteria.
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No one is making you buy anything. I don't get the agenda here. Buy what is right for you. If you don't think the 7200 is worth the price difference then buy what makes sense to you and for you. If somebody else thinks the price difference is worth it then they can pursue their purchase. Nobody needs to convince anybody their point of view is right because people have different financial resources, different things that matter to them and make decisions based on their own set of criteria...not your set of criteria...and not my set of criteria.
Ummmm, it's called an opinion. No need for the dramatic grandstanding or making baseless accusations as to whom I'm trying to "convince" (as if any sensible person cares what strangers buy).

Mine (opinion) is as worthy of text as yours. When all of these profound upgrades and measurably increased fidelity appear I'll be the first to say I was in err.

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How much is the X7200W?

When will it be up for sale?

What are the main difference with the 5200?

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It will be for sale in January in the US and January/February overseas. 7.1 external inputs, More Ampllification power, Instaprevue, more legacy inputs from the top of my head. We will have to wait for a manual to come out to see the rest of the differences.

US Price is still to be announced.
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I wouldn't expect it to be less than $2500. Which is what the Denon 4520 retailed for. But you never know.

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I wish they would delay the 7200 until the new HDMI chips are available......full bandwidth and HDCP 2.2 etc.........but realistically I will wait for all of that plus I want the DTS UHD chip too.


I am thinking about more advanced surround but want to know if the speaker types and positions will be the same for Dolby Atmos and DTS UHD............and if many disc's come out (at all) and which encodes will be more prevalent. Usually there have been more DTS Master disc's than Dolby True HD as far as the audio.


I will not upgrade any of my three receiver's until I know for sure it will do what I will need it to do......it must switch the new 4K Blu ray standard for sure.......etc. From what I know right now it is a waste of my money to upgrade right now.
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How much is the X7200W?

When will it be up for sale?

What are the main difference with the 5200?
The anticipated availability date for the X7200W in the U.S. is Dec/Jan. Rumored MSRP is between US$2800 and US$3000.

See this post for the differences between the X4100W/X5200W/X7200W, with the caveat that info on the X7200W is still preliminary.

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It will be for sale in January in the US and January/February overseas. 7.1 external inputs, More Ampllification power, Instaprevue, more legacy inputs from the top of my head. We will have to wait for a manual to come out to see the rest of the differences.

US Price is still to be announced.
No InstaPrevue on any of the 2014 Denon models.
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Not on the AVR-X5200W but Instaprevue is listed in the specs announced in France as appearing on the AVR-X7200W in January 2015. So I'm assuming there adding it to the Flagship model as another differentiating factor.

Also hope as jd aludes to that it will also have the more Custom Amp Assign function that appeared on the AVR-4520.

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Does anybody actually use InstaPreview? My 4520 has it, and I can't think of a single time that I have used it. Perhaps my situation is unique.
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The anticipated availability date for the X7200W in the U.S. is Dec/Jan. Rumored MSRP is between US$2800 and US$3000...
I'm expecting Denon to price the X7200W around the same as the top of the line Pioneer SC-89 Elite receiver. Expect to pay no less than $3,000.00 MSRP.

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Not on the AVR-X5200W but Instaprevue is listed in the specs announced in France as appearing on the AVR-X7200W in January 2015. So I'm assuming there adding it to the Flagship model as another differentiating factor.

Also hope as jd aludes to that it will also have the more Custom Amp Assign function that appeared on the AVR-4520.
Yeah, those specs you refer to are not official. JD has confirmed that the InstaPrevue function has been dropped on the 2014 models. Quoting from his post which I linked to in my previous post:

X7200W vs 4520CI: - avail Dec
1 extra HDMI input, HDMI 2.0 4k/60fps upscale/pass through on all HDMI inputs, ISF video Day/Night settings, 13.2 main zone pre-outs vs. 11.2, Dolby Atmos; Dolby Surround, Custom 2CH settings on Front A FL/FR speakers vs. having to use dedicated Front B only (other features TBD), [No InstaPreview, 3-port network hub, Zone 4]


OTOH, I think it's a safe bet that the X7200W will offer the custom amp assign function and perhaps some other as yet untold distinguishing features. Stay tuned.
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I guess time will tell.
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Japan. Important distinction because it means the 7200W (and 5200W) are made by Denon, as opposed to the Made In China units which are sub-contracted out to manufacturing by Sherwood/Inkel.
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Japan. Important distinction because it means the 7200W (and 5200W) are made by Denon, as opposed to the Made In China units which are sub-contracted out to manufacturing by Sherwood/Inkel.
So is Marantz also manufactured by Sherwood/Inkel, instead of MARANTZ? They are made in China!
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So is Marantz also manufactured by Sherwood/Inkel, instead of MARANTZ? They are made in China!
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Ummmm, it's called an opinion. No need for the dramatic grandstanding or making baseless accusations as to whom I'm trying to "convince" (as if any sensible person cares what strangers buy).

Mine (opinion) is as worthy of text as yours. When all of these profound upgrades and measurably increased fidelity appear I'll be the first to say I was in err.

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I agree with you FWIW. 'Flagship' models tend to be designed for the person who will always pay more to have the 'top of the shop' model IMO. The best value is usually the model just underneath the flagship model. Again IMO. And as for better components and so on, well, yeah, they may measure better. But if the better measurement can't be heard, it's meaningless - if component A hit’s the threshold of human audibility at 0.1, then producing a component with a measurement of 0.01 is definitely "better". But it is also meaningless. Same applies to DACs, amps etc.
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Does anybody actually use InstaPreview? My 4520 has it, and I can't think of a single time that I have used it. Perhaps my situation is unique.
LOL. I was just thinking the exact same thing. I switch sources on and off as I need them, using a programmable remote. Instaprevue would be used precisely 0% of the time here.
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if component A hit’s the threshold of human audibility at 0.1, then producing a component with a measurement of 0.01 is definitely "better". But it is also meaningless.
if you chain several components at 0.1 it may become audible, but the same number at 0.01 probably won't. So it's not entirely meaningsless.

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if you chain several components at 0.1 it may become audible, but the same number at 0.01 probably won't. So it's not entirely meaningsless.
That is some formidable straw clutching there OK - I revise my example to 0.1 and 0.001. Now you'd have to chain a hundred components together instead of "several".
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That is some formidable straw clutching there OK - I revise my example to 0.1 and 0.001. Now you'd have to chain a hundred components together instead of "several".
Not really. It's quite forseeable that I might end up with a chain of five devices and a factor two to audible is starting to get tight.

But yes, 0.001 is overkill then, but if the alternative device is at 0.1 you will still need to choose it.

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Does anybody actually use InstaPreview? My 4520 has it, and I can't think of a single time that I have used it. Perhaps my situation is unique.
I don't either, but only have an Oppo BR attached besides by tivo, and when I'm watching a movie I don't want distracted by what's on tv.
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... 13.2 main zone pre-outs vs. 11.2, Dolby Atmos; Dolby Surround,....
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Would this indicate that Dolby Atmos could be run at 9.2.4 ?
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Would this indicate that Dolby Atmos could be run at 9.2.4 ?
'fraid not, friend; not the way you are thinking. Stc, specs call for it to only process 11 channels at a time.
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Would this indicate that Dolby Atmos could be run at 9.2.4 ?
The X4100/X5200/X7200 all have the same 13.2 pre-outs. This is to allow the user to connect up to 13 speakers at a time for configuration flexibility purposes, while playback is limited to 9CH in the X4100 and 11CH in the X5200/X7200 with the addition of a 2CH external amplifier in each case.

So, unless Denon unveils a heretofore unreported spec upgrade in the yet-to-be-released X7200, the answer is no. OTOH, until an official announcement is made, you are free to fantasize.
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