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I'm in the process of purchasing a 5.1 receiver and speakers.
Really like the Denon x1000 and either the Infinity P363 or Polk 65t front speakers.
Question is 85watts RMS enough to power, utilize either speakers. Is this a good match?
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Should be. But I'd personally spend more on your speakers.

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I'm in the process of purchasing a 5.1 receiver and speakers.
Really like the Denon x1000 and either the Infinity P363 or Polk 65t front speakers.
Question is 85watts RMS enough to power, utilize either speakers. Is this a good match?
Thanks for any feedback smile.gif
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Noah; while I agree that one should spend the most they can on the best speakers they can afford (technology marches forward out dating pj's, receivers, and players; but good speakers will always be good speakers), I will answer your question with a question (or 4)

1) How loud do you listen
2) How large is your room
3) How far is the main seating from the speakers
4) Are these being paired with a sub (determines crossover setting and required power)

This will give us a better idea of power requirements. That being said, both speakers are 90db+ in efficiency which will play plenty loud with very little power.

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Thanks for the speedy reply Bass Addict smile.gif
Well here goes :
I listen fairly loud but far from nausea inducing smile.gif i prefer quality and a good crisp sound. A soundstage is key.
I sit no more than 6-7 feet away.
No subwoofer at the moment. Don't want one.
Room size is 15x15 I think , with some spillage to dining area. But main cubicle as stated above.
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Those speakers will not be able to reproduce low bass like a subwoofer can, also that means running them full-range which sucks up amp power, increases distortion, reduces dynamic range. Unless your speakers have something like 12" subwoofers in them, buy a subwoofer.

You need to spend more than $200 on floorstanders.

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Always can add a Sub.
It's more for classic rock,blues, folk and classical than Avatar,Transformers, hip hop club music and such. If you get my drift smile.gif
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Over the years I am fully convinced you need a deceit powered sub for movies and music. I have had various full range speakers, and they were all improved via a powered sub

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Not sure if a sub is required in a 2 channel music system if you have floorstanders. I don't think you do. Just for home theatre, or if your speakers are bookshelf, standmount, sat etc.

ie with these monsters...nah

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celestion-A3-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/151095396628

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Not sure if a sub is required in a 2 channel music system if you have floorstanders. I don't think you do. Just for home theatre, or if your speakers are bookshelf, standmount, sat etc.

ie with these monsters...nah

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celestion-A3-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/151095396628

Depends on how capable your mains are. In Noah's case, three 5-1/4" drivers will suffice; but as mentioned earlier, will run out of steam in a hurry if set to full range without judicious use of the happy knob. The good news is, you can always add a sub down the road.

My .02 is; if you even think you might be adding a sub (and are therefore pre budgeting for one), I'd rather see you spend the funds on better mains. Out of curiosity, what made you decide on those two specific models?

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They're in my budget and get consistently great reviews.
The room is small and I'm not unto heavy thumping bass. Plus the neighbors. Lol
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Which would you guys recommend of the two? Or any other at $200 tops for a single one?
Believe me I know my speakers and had amazing and expensive B@W's in my past.
But budget is key now.
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They're in my budget and get consistently great reviews.

By consistently good reviews, do you mean this? cool.gif
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/monitor65t

Keep in mind, people reviewing 200 dollar speakers, are generally not in the know of what good sound is. wink.gif

Personally, I'd start browsing through the classifieds. There are plenty of good speakers than come up for sale, that aren't a whole lot more, but would be a whole lot better sounding.

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Most Polks to me sound very bright, analytical and just not fun to listen to for music playback.* OTOH Infinity's Primus series sounded much mellower - but still detailed - and were pleasant to listen to......to my ears. Plus the Infinitys always seem to be on sale somewhere for some crazy low price (MSRP is $329.95 apiece).


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I sit no more than 6-7 feet away..........Room size is 15x15 I think
For music anyway i.e. most pop/rock genres & in that listening situation, I think as far as the Infinitys are concerned, the 363's dual 6.5" woofers should provide plenty of bass. Of course, a sub can definitely provide potentially better-quality bass, but I've owned stereo systems since the early 80s and I believe with some patience & placement experimentation a sub-less system can still provide very enjoyable listening sessions. Full disclosure: I own a 5.1 surround system and a 2.0 system and do think most music sounds better bass-wise with the sub-equipped system. But the "pure" stereo system is still a kick to listen to, plus there's a certain attraction to setting up & using such a (relatively speaking) simple system.


* this was determined using my own music, bands/individuals like Beck, DJ Shadow, Weezer, Animal Collective and Black Flag.
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Problem with infinity is they are going under !!! Just heard from other forum member.
So.... Polk or others I can find.
I live detailed soundstages.
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Problem with infinity is they are going under !!! Just heard from other forum member.
So.... Polk or others I can find.
I live detailed soundstages.

Did you hear it from a member that knows the truth? Infinity is a brand of Harman. Are you suggesting that they are killing the brand? I certainly doubt they are "going under."
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Not sure if a sub is required in a 2 channel music system if you have floorstanders. I don't think you do. Just for home theatre, or if your speakers are bookshelf, standmount, sat etc.

ie with these monsters...nah

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celestion-A3-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/151095396628

Required...no. Does it make every floor stander speaker I have ever had better? Yes, a powered subwoofer gives better bass when I have tried it. Maybe if you listen to music with no bass in it you would not notice the difference. I don't listen to much music that has no bass

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