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wse- I had a chance to to side by side comparison of the 7008 and the SC-75 in my old setup. We moved and I'm rebuilding from scratch now. Granted, I do not claim to be an audiophile but had a nice setup with Axiom M60s as my mains.

Marantz: definitely better for stereo music. I liked that Zone two could use any of the inputs as I had speakers on the back deck. I could listen to the satellite tv audio (sports) while grilling. The app to do so was simple and straightforward. Nice polished GUI (which I never thought about until I had the Pio). Limited listening modes for multichannel and movies. You pretty much get the Dolby or DTS stream without any processing. Had a few more bells and whistles like HDMI preview.

Pio: at the time it was on sale for $1200 which is what ultimately swayed me. That and the THX modes. I just like how THX cinema sounds for movies. I had more processing modes on the Pio to find the sound my ears liked. I liked the room correction on the Pio. Seemed a lot more involved, took several measurements and sweeps, with different tones and sounds. The end result was comparably to Audessy, I'd say. But you're stuck with one crossover for all speakers, so my towers and my surrounds are crossed over at the same point. Zone 2 was limited to analog only, had to buy digital to analog converters. App is clunky. GUI looks like DOS from the 1980's. It's ugly.

Ultimately it's about sound and PQ, and the differences were slim. It came down to price and nit picky features.

Now that the Pio doesn't have THX, and the price will be closer when these two models are released, it makes it harder to choose.
Thanks this unit will be 90% for movies
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trying like heck to envision if either Dolby Atmos or a height channel will be of any benefit for me. I had planned to upgrade my old 7 channel Onkyo TX-NR905 in favor of a 9 channel capable AVR. Onkyo announced their product, but without the Audyssy room correction option (my room needs all the help it can get), so I am looking at either the Denon X7200 or the Marantz SR7009 as my upgrade of choice. Atmos being such a recent addition was not planned back when I had designed my home theater/family room. With no speaker cables run for ceiling placement, and a sound absorbent acoustical ceiling making either ceiling mounted, or "reflective" speakers options that I do not wish to pursue at this time due to cost, mess, or lack of effectiveness.

My original plan was to place a pair of quad-polar speakers above my oak entertainment towers, however with Dolby Atmos, placement may be too far away from the seating area to provide much of any overhead effect. I hope that the nature of my chosen speakers would help to correct for some of this, and am thinking I could fashion some sort of oak outriggers that can bring the speakers up, and toward (but still not over) the seating area.

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i'm in the opposite camp. Just sold our house, media room with it, so I'm starting over. Not sure I'd go back and try to add Atmos if I were still at my old place honestly, I had an identical speaker setup, 7.1, and was very happy with the quadripolar Axiom surrounds.

But since I need to start over, might as well get an Atmos setup.
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trying like heck to envision if either Dolby Atmos or a height channel will be of any benefit for me. I had planned to upgrade my old 7 channel Onkyo TX-NR905 in favor of a 9 channel capable AVR. Onkyo announced their product, but without the Audyssy room correction option (my room needs all the help it can get), so I am looking at either the Denon X7200 or the Marantz SR7009 as my upgrade of choice. Atmos being such a recent addition was not planned back when I had designed my home theater/family room. With no speaker cables run for ceiling placement, and a sound absorbent acoustical ceiling making either ceiling mounted, or "reflective" speakers options that I do not wish to pursue at this time due to cost, mess, or lack of effectiveness.

My original plan was to place a pair of quad-polar speakers above my oak entertainment towers, however with Dolby Atmos, placement may be too far away from the seating area to provide much of any overhead effect. I hope that the nature of my chosen speakers would help to correct for some of this, and am thinking I could fashion some sort of oak outriggers that can bring the speakers up, and toward (but still not over) the seating area.

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I am running Axiom M60s for front, VP150 center, quald-polar 4 QS8s for side & rear surrounds.

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For what its worth, before we (at least I) jump in on the Atmos bandwagon, running cables, buying different speakers, etc, the product really needs to given time in the market. Since its implementation into any environment involves expense and possibly some remodeling, I sure as hell want to know if its worth it or not. This plus the lack of content at this time indicates giving it time. Lots of time.

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For what its worth, before we (at least I) jump in on the Atmos bandwagon, running cables, buying different speakers, etc, the product really needs to given time in the market. Since its implementation into any environment involves expense and possibly some remodeling, I sure as hell want to know if its worth it or not. This plus the lack of content at this time indicates giving it time. Lots of time.
I'm kind of at a similar point. I had been planning to upgrade from 7.1 non-3D pass-through Onkyo, to a 9.x channel option. Given that new models were about to be announced, I had decided to hold out for a bit. I see Atmos as a "bonus" given that I was planning an upgrade had it not been a feature, but now that it is there, I am going to seek out the best way to implement it, without tearing apart my ceiling. Given that there is no content at this time, with content to start releasing soon, Atmos is only a curiosity for me, and I plan to utilize the 9 channel listening modes provided by Audyssy.

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Hi all do you have have special speakers to get the dolby atmos sound. I do see i can buy a 7008 less $400 than 7009. I just sold my Denon 5308ci. I need the 4k pass and 3D.
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You'll need at least 2 or 4 "ceiling speakers", Atmos modules or Atmos enabled speakers. If not desired, the SR7008 is on clearance pricing and a good buy.

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Were is this SR7008 at.
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My ceiling in my basement are only 8 feet and if i have to buy new speakers to get the new sound and my wife just said no way not going to happen. and the 7008 is in stock, and save money looks like the 7008 is getting better.
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Audyssey MultEQ XT32 versus YPAO Auto Room Calibration ?
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YPAO has more manual flexibility but Audyssey EQ's to much lower frequencies, depending on your speakers and subs. But didn't you just post that you didn't like what YPAO did in your room? Marantz SR7009 or Yamaha RX-A3040?
This is a Marantz thread, so don't expect much sympathy here

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YPAO has more manual flexibility but Audyssey EQ's to much lower frequencies, depending on your speakers and subs. But didn't you just post that you didn't like what YPAO did in your room? Marantz SR7009 or Yamaha RX-A3040?
This is a Marantz thread, so don't expect much sympathy here
Not looking for sympathy just using my ears as the final test
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I'm in the 'ears' test category. I'm not going to mess with hours and hours of sound field calibration unless I have a problem. My Onkyo 3007 (Audessy) passed the 'ears' test in some modes, and sounded terrible in others. I had a chance to try out a Marantz 7008 (Audessy) vs a a Pioneer SC-75 (MCACC) in my last setup. Both had strengths and weaknesses. I was able to tweak them both using my ears, because at the end of the day I'm the one who has to listen to it. I realize this is a forum for enthusiasts, so go nuts with your REW and USB mics if you enjoy the challenge. I just don't have the time for that. Now if I have problems, them you'll see me posting in those forums.
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For those who are concerned about data being collected from their devices they should note the following from the Marantz SR-7009 Manual and check and see whether it is on by default. I found the same wording in the Denon AVR-X5200W manual.


USAGE Data


To help us improve our products and customer service, Marantz collects
anonymous information about how you use your AV receiver (such as
frequently used input sources and sound modes and speaker settings).
Marantz will never provide any information we collect to third parties.




Yes: Provide information on the operating status of this unit.


No: Do not provide information on the operating status of this unit.

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This setting was first introduced with the 2013 models and is on all networking D&M models and AFAIK, defaults to No.
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Just pulled the trigger and placed a pre-order.

...now the waiting begins.

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I'm in the same boat as others here, need a new receiver, debating SR7008 vs. SR7009. Basically $320 difference. It does offer wireless so that's a plus, except my router is right next to my receiver so maybe not so much. I would just hate to feel the need to upgrade in the future just because I didn't want to wait another week or two.

Thinking about powering the Klipsch 650 THX's with them, any issues with that?

Also don't understand the Atmos thing with subs. It's advertised as a 9.2 receiver but for Atmos it says 7.1.2, 5.1.4, 5.1.2, and 7.1.4, all of which have one sub channel.
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In my situation , the new wireless capability on the Marantz sr 5009, 6009 , and 7009 was not a big factor in deciding which Marantz to get . You want to hardwire whatever receiver you get anyway, it just eliminates all the potential connection issues I've had in the past with wireless smart TV' blu rays , xbox etc.

And yea , the receiver was about 4 feet from the router ....

I have the new sr5009 and I am very happy with it btw ...
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I'm in the same boat as others here, need a new receiver, debating SR7008 vs. SR7009. Basically $320 difference. It does offer wireless so that's a plus, except my router is right next to my receiver so maybe not so much. I would just hate to feel the need to upgrade in the future just because I didn't want to wait another week or two.
The primary difference between the two is Atmos.

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They're high-sensitivity 8 Ohm speakers, so they'll be fine.

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Also don't understand the Atmos thing with subs. It's advertised as a 9.2 receiver but for Atmos it says 7.1.2, 5.1.4, 5.1.2, and 7.1.4, all of which have one sub channel.
That's just how Dolby's numerology works. It has nothing to do with how many subwoofers can be driven by the receiver. There's only one LFE channel at most in any surround-sound source material. Whether your AVR uses it to drive 1 subwoofer or 6 subwoofers is irrelevant to them.
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No way! Is that a review unit or are they beginning to ship? #excited
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Also don't understand the Atmos thing with subs. It's advertised as a 9.2 receiver but for Atmos it says 7.1.2, 5.1.4, 5.1.2, and 7.1.4, all of which have one sub channel.
The SR7009 can process 11 channels simultaneously, but has only 9 internal amps. So in the example configurations you've posted:

[*]7.1.2 ---> okay as the 7 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.
[*]5.1.4 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.
[*]5.1.2 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 7 amps and since SR7009 has 9, you have 2 spare.
[*]7.1.4 ---> okay with an external amp, in that the 7 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers need 11 amps. Since the SR7009 has only
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Both!
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Placed my pre-order only yesterday.

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The SR7009 can process 11 channels simultaneously, but has only 9 internal amps. So in the example configurations you've posted:[*]7.1.2 ---> okay as the 7 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.[*]5.1.4 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.[*]5.1.2 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 7 amps and since SR7009 has 9, you have 2 spare.[*]7.1.4 ---> okay with an external amp, in that the 7 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers need 11 amps. Since the SR7009 has only
9 internally, you'd need an external 2 channel amp to make up the difference.
Also 9.2.2 okay with an external amp, in that the 9 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers need 11 amps
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Also 9.2.2 okay with an external amp, in that the 9 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers need 11 amps
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I'd check with batpig on the 9.2.2 speaker configuration and what limitations there are. It is non-standard compared to the 5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2 and 7.1.4 that's been discussed in the Denon thread. This implies the use of wides with just a pair of top middle speakers.

My understanding is that for Dolby Surround Up-mixer (DSU), the wides are not used at all. Effectively the speaker arrangement drops down to 7.2.2 (with top middle)

For the next few months, DSU is going to be the main way in which early adopters will get to hear Atmos until studies start to release BR with actual Atmos meta data.

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You can also simply download the SR7009 Owner's manual (p. 309) and see for yourself.

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