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The SR7009 can process 11 channels simultaneously, but has only 9 internal amps. So in the example configurations you've posted:

[*]7.1.2 ---> okay as the 7 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.
[*]5.1.4 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers only need 9 amps which the SR7009 has.
[*]5.1.2 ---> okay as the 5 main speakers + 2 ceiling speakers only need 7 amps and since SR7009 has 9, you have 2 spare.
[*]7.1.4 ---> okay with an external amp, in that the 7 main speakers + 4 ceiling speakers need 11 amps. Since the SR7009 has only
9 internally, you'd need an external 2 channel amp to make up the difference.
My question had to do with the subs, instead of 7.2 it's 7.1. I guess it doesn't really matter, maybe all sub content is one source anyway.

But since we're talking about it, which is better, 7.1.4 which is basically a typical setup plus 4 ceiling speakers, or 9.1.2 which is two ceiling speakers plus two "wide"?
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Selden answered your sub question already ... doesn't matter if it says 7.1.4, 7.2.4, 7.3.4, 7.4.4, 7.5.4, etc ... there is only one sub channel and you can split that off to however many subs you want to connect to an AVR.

If you want to have a better Atmos experience, using 4 ceiling (or Atmos enabled) speakers will surely be better than just 2.

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I just ordered three Klipsch KL-650-THX's, looks like the $400 for Atmos in the SR-7009 vs. 7008 isn't where my significant cost for getting Atmos will be:

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Arrival of SR7009

Looks like we won't be getting any SR7009's in until 9/15 although only a small shipment is expected as overall system demand is far outpacing the supply at this point. If you want it sooner rather than later, best to call me and get on the pre-order list.

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Realistically speaking, what exactly are you missing out on if you went with an SR-7009 instead of waiting for the AVR-8802 separate setup? I can't imagine being able to hear the difference on a typical living room setup.
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In principle, the AV8801 won't have anything that will cause a significant difference in functionality or audio. However, it will have construction improvements that some people enjoy having.

For example, the SR7009 has power amplifiers built into it. Since it's a pre/pro, the AV8802 won't. I suspect that, like the AV8801, the 8802 will contain discrete HDAM preamp circuit boards in place of the power amps. The other major difference will be that the AV8802 will have both RCA and XLR preamp output connections, while the SR7009 has only RCA preamp connections (in addition to its speaker connections). The pre/pro doubtless will have a copper-plated chassis similar to the 8801's.

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Realistically speaking, what exactly are you missing out on if you went with an SR-7009 instead of waiting for the AVR-8802 separate setup? I can't imagine being able to hear the difference on a typical living room setup.
The following set of articles provides some fascinating incites to the difference in components / build quality of receivers and pre/pros: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/techn...all-pages.html

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As would be expected. The AVR can connect up to 13 speakers with 11 operated at one time .... so you may have a different 11CH configuration for an Atmos setup vs. a Dolby Surround/DSX/DTS Neo:X setup.

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Previews I have listened to have sounded pretty damn good! And so does Divergent!!!
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And with the risk of being accused of being in a honeymoon phase I have to say Captain America The Winter Soldier (early Blu-ray copy) also sounds better doing Dolby Surround than it did using the 8801 just a couple days ago. Atmos is the real deal and believe the hype. It is not a gimmick by any stretch. This dramatic new sound format is ear dropping. That's all I will say for now.
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Hey Joerod, were you running the 8801 via 11.2? If so, then Dolby Surround (without wides) sounds better than Neo:X (with wides and height)? I was trying to hold off until a receiver would process 13 channels at once for 9.2.4 set-up. I have a feeling that I might not be able to wait after reading your upcoming review

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^^Selden answered your sub question already ... doesn't matter if it says 7.1.4, 7.2.4, 7.3.4, 7.4.4, 7.5.4, etc ... there is only one sub channel and you can split that off to however many subs you want to connect to an AVR. If you want to have a better Atmos experience, using 4 ceiling (or Atmos enabled) speakers will surely be better than just 2.
It depends on the size of the room! My KEF room is 12 x13 x 9 with one row of seats so with that one pair of in-ceiling speakers should do it!

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So looks like Onkyo is going to fix my 3007 with its dead HDMI board... I need to decide if I'm gonna stick with it or sell the repaired one...
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Interesting:

"A key takeaway: circuit quality in the direct mode (stereo or 7.1) is almost always invariant to AVR prices in the range of $400 to $2,000. As examples, the $250 Yamaha RX-V367 and Marantz AV8801 ($3000) use the same Renesas LSI chip (R2A15220FP). With the LSI analog chip in these products, the sound of the direct mode is relatively constant, although a more robust power supplies, addition a quality output buffer and enhanced DC blocking capacitor quality can make small differences."

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The trend continues for Dolby Surround. Can't wait to read your review!!

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So is this thing ready for prime time or is the real deal going to be a year from now? I'm a jeep fan and seems like every time something new comes out, the people who buy in first get screwed over, second year is always better. Mainly wondering if I should wait due to the lack of the last two powered channels, basically having to buy an external amp just for the last two ceiling speakers, seems weird. Just power them all if you're going to do it. Onkyo does it with their newest, why doesn't Marantz and Denon?

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So is this thing ready for prime time or is the real deal going to be a year from now? I'm a jeep fan and seems like every time something new comes out, the people who buy in first get screwed over, second year is always better. Mainly wondering if I should wait due to the lack of the last two powered channels, basically having to buy an external amp just for the last two ceiling speakers, seems weird. Just power them all if you're going to do it. Onkyo does it with their newest, why doesn't Marantz and Denon?
You only need an amp if you're running 11 speakers. This will run 9. You could have 5.x.4 without an extra amp or 9.x.2
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For some reason D&M seem to be in the habit of not amplifying those last two channels, no matter how much they charge for a given model of AVR. Maybe it's just a way to keep the prices down, since people often get a particular level of AVR for other features, not necessarily for the number of speakers it can drive.

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I have a Kenwood stereo receiver, with a total of two channels of amplification.

Some Marantz and Denon receivers have only nine channels of amplification (some Onkyo models have eleven):
Can I use my Kenwood with say a Marantz SR7009 receiver having only nine amps inside? ...To make eleven total, for a 7.1.4 Atmos setup.
Or do you think the next Marantz SR7010 will have eleven internal amps?

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For some reason D&M seem to be in the habit of not amplifying those last two channels, no matter how much they charge for a given model of AVR. Maybe it's just a way to keep the prices down, since people often get a particular level of AVR for other features, not necessarily for the number of speakers it can drive.
I bet the % of owners who use all 11 ch is small, and since stereo amps are so easy to get it makes sense to have two less amps than the max possible.
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NorthSky: yes.

noah: I think some of their 9 channel AVRs similarly omit two of the amps, too. As with 11 channels, the use of 9 channels isn't common. But it's certainly the case for those capable of 11 or 13 (selectable) channels.

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