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Here you go 9.2.2 or 7.2.4 any one http://smile.amazon.com/Marantz-MM70...pr_product_top

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Even without Main In on my Kenwood's rear axe? ...Tape monitor (In)?
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Here you go 9.2.2 or 7.2.4 any one http://smile.amazon.com/Marantz-MM70...pr_product_top

or better get one of these: http://www.parasound.com/halo/a23.php

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Even without Main In on my Kenwood's rear axe? ...Tape monitor (In)?
You can use any stereo input on the Kenwood that you want. You just have to be careful that the Kenwood's settings are always the same (volume control, tone controls, etc) so that the Audyssey calibration stays valid.

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Hey, thx a bunch Selden.
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I have a Kenwood stereo receiver, with a total of two channels of amplification.

Some Marantz and Denon receivers have only nine channels of amplification (some Onkyo models have eleven):
Can I use my Kenwood with say a Marantz SR7009 receiver having only nine amps inside? ...To make eleven total, for a 7.1.4 Atmos setup.
Or do you think the next Marantz SR7010 will have eleven internal amps?
Currently only 1 Onkyo model (new 5010) has 11CH of on board amps, likely only desired by <1% of owners with >90% of households only having 5.1 or less setup. You can use either a dedicated 2CH amp (eg. AudioSource100) or a 2CH receiver or even a 5.1/7.1 multi channel AVR to power the extra 2CH to expand the SR7009 from 9CH to 11CH. Unknown as to what the 2015 models will feature.

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Those of you potential SR7009 owners who want to learn more about the various Atmos configurations may want to join us in the Denon X4100/X5200/X7200 thread as the SR7009 will have the same settings as those on the X5200W. One of the issues already pointed out is that the Dolby Atmos "AMP ASSIGN" mode is not intuitive in that it only includes the Height speakers and excludes the Dolby Enabled speakers however you can still configure them for Atmos BDs using the 9.1 or 11.1 AMP ASSIGN configurations instead.

The "Official" 2014 Denon Atmos+XT32 Model Thread (X4100/X5200/X7200)


The first X5200W was received on 8/23 by forum member FilmMixer with his review/comments starting here ...

The "Official" 2014 Denon Atmos+XT32 Model Thread (X4100/X5200/X7200)

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Okay. So I've been reading that thread. Any significant differences between the 7009 and X5200?
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Okay. So I've been reading that thread. Any significant differences between the 7009 and X5200?
One difference is the SR7009 uses a "Dialog Level Adjust" setting as was used on last years D&M models which simply adjusts the center channel volume, while the X5200W and X7200W inherit the "Dialog Enhancer" setting (low, med, high; adjusts human voice frequencies, 300Hz - 3Khz) from the 4520CI in addition to having separate center channel volume control, although not certain of it's actual effectiveness.

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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the 7009 (coming in Tues.) I'd like to go 7.1.4. I just need to add the 4 OH speakers But yeah spending 2k on the AVR and another $700 on the Marantz 2-ch Amp to get 2 more channels is a bit much to swallow.
I run the system 90% for HT but I'm wondering what amps would be a good match performance wise and bit more cost effective. I'd really appreciate your recommendations Thanks!
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Emotiva makes excellent amps. Check out their Ultra Series two channel option here: http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/upa-200

If you want something cheaper with a little lower in power to drive just a pair of ceiling speakers, this one from Audiosource should do: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846
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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the 7009 (coming in Tues.) I'd like to go 7.1.4. I just need to add the 4 OH speakers But yeah spending 2k on the AVR and another $700 on the Marantz 2-ch Amp to get 2 more channels is a bit much to swallow.
I run the system 90% for HT but I'm wondering what amps would be a good match performance wise and bit more cost effective. I'd really appreciate your recommendations Thanks!
With a 7.1.4 configuration, you have the option of externally powering the Front, Wide, Top Front, or Top Rear speakers. If you want to provide even more power to the Front speakers than what the SR7009 can provide, a more powerful 2CH amp would be in order, however, the Top Front and Top Rear speakers will require much less power. The AudioSource100 suggested above (or even an older AVR the SR7009 is replacing) is often recommended for Zone 2/3 duty and would work well for the Top speakers as well and at a much lower cost.
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Okay. So I've been reading that thread. Any significant differences between the 7009 and X5200?
One difference that I came across in the manuals is that the SR7009 seems to have more options than the X5200W for the "Height2" channel when Dolby-enabled up-firing speakers are used. Of course, this is irrelevant if you plan to use direct-firing overhead speakers. In that case, both AVRs have the same set of options. I haven't seen a screenshot of what the X5000W actually provides, though.
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Actually, both models have the exact same configuration capabilities, rather the difference is due to you posting the 9.1 configuration for the X5200W and the 11.1 configuration for the SR7009.

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The AudioSource100 suggested above (or even an older AVR the SR7009 is replacing) is often recommended for Zone 2/3 duty and would work well for the Top speakers as well and at a much lower cost.
Hadn't thought of that. I do have an older Sony 5.1 AVR that came with the new house I could use for channels 10 and 11.
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Joe - Thanks as always for another well done review even if it is incomplete. So what exactly did you use for speakers when running the Dolby Surround mode? Couldn't figure that out since the Heights according to the white paper can be at either 45 degrees or overhead. Curious if you used any "traditional" heights or just nixed those as you did with the wides. Finally, any plans to review any upfiring modules? Thanks again. Steve
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Joe - Thanks as always for another well done review even if it is incomplete. So what exactly did you use for speakers when running the Dolby Surround mode? Couldn't figure that out since the Heights according to the white paper can be at either 45 degrees or overhead. Curious if you used any "traditional" heights or just nixed those as you did with the wides. Finally, any plans to review any upfiring modules? Thanks again. Steve
Thanks I appreciate it. I used Martin Logan Vanquish ceiling speakers. A pair in the front and a pair in the rear. Results are a lot better than I was anticipating. I did test back and forth with my "classic height" which was just up front and the wides. I then would change the Amp assign so the Rear Heights were silent.

On another note I did speak with Onkyo last week and they were offering to send me their modules so I can compare them to the ceiling speakers. That may go down with my 3030 Review.

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One difference that I came across in the manuals is that the SR7009 seems to have more options than the X5200W for the "Height2" channel when Dolby-enabled up-firing speakers are used. Of course, this is irrelevant if you plan to use direct-firing overhead speakers. In that case, both AVRs have the same set of options. I haven't seen a screenshot of what the X5000W actually provides, though.

Can you point me to a link where I can also read up on the SR 7009 owner's manual?
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Can you point me to a link where I can also read up on the SR 7009 owner's manual?
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Emotiva makes excellent amps. Check out their Ultra Series two channel option here: http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/upa-200

If you want something cheaper with a little lower in power to drive just a pair of ceiling speakers, this one from Audiosource should do: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846
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THANK YOU, I ordered mine and should get it September 8th I can not wait for it to arrive!

If it is that good DTS is going to have a thought time to catch up

So from your perspective 7.2.4 is better than 9.2.2 (with wide)?
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THANK YOU, I ordered mine and should get it September 8th I can not wait for it to arrive!

If it is that good DTS is going to have a thought time to catch up

So from your perspective 7.2.4 is better than 9.2.2 (with wide)?
Definitely better. Sound from above draws you more in. Actually we just finished watching a movie and having my dogs down there is going to take some getting used to. At times when there is a sound from the ceiling they think someone is upstairs! They ran up the stairs barking 3 times during the first half of the movie. Before they would do it occasionally but now!!!

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And congrats! You made a good choice.

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Currently only 1 Onkyo model (new 5010) has 11CH of on board amps, likely only desired by <1% of owners with >90% of households only having 5.1 or less setup. You can use either a dedicated 2CH amp (eg. AudioSource100) or a 2CH receiver or even a 5.1/7.1 multi channel AVR to power the extra 2CH to expand the SR7009 from 9CH to 11CH. Unknown as to what the 2015 models will feature.
I'm waiting for the next receiver with onboard thirteen separate channel amplifiers.
I don't have much space in my rack.
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Emotiva makes excellent amps. Check out their Ultra UPA Series two channel option here: http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/upa-200

If you want something cheaper with a little lower in power to drive just a pair of ceiling speakers, this one from Audiosource should do: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846
That, excellent.
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Thanks for the write up joerod. I'm really pumped for mine to arrive!

Since the height & surrounds are the only channels labeled as assignable does this mean I have to use my external amp to power one of those pairs or can I use it to power the L/R channels and assign the freed internal amp for an assignable set? In looking at the manual it's a bit unclear?

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One difference that I came across in the manuals is that the SR7009 seems to have more options than the X5200W for the "Height2" channel when Dolby-enabled up-firing speakers are used. Of course, this is irrelevant if you plan to use direct-firing overhead speakers. In that case, both AVRs have the same set of options. I haven't seen a screenshot of what the X5000W actually provides, though.
Do you think the Marantz sounds better overall compared to the Denon?
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