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Marantz AV8802 13.2 XLR Pre/Pro **Official Thread**

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Hi,

The new Marantz AV8802 relacing the actual AV8801 has been announced, it's a 13.2 XLR processor, HDMI 2.0 ISF video and Wifi + Bluetooth integrated, with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and an Audyssey Pro capacity. Indicated Public Price : 3800€... on the high side compared to the 8801 listed at @ 2800€.See details here :http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-14423/marantz-av8802-pre-amplificateur-remplacant-de-lav8801.html (in French)





and for information to be compared to Denon's AVR-X7200W rear panel :



Hugo

FW Updates :

04/06/15 :

- A .dff file cannot be played from USB and the media player
- Even if the Sleep Timer setting is set to All Zone Stereo from Mobile App, Sleep Timer operates in Zone 2 only.
- When the customer selects "Amp Assign = Dolby Atmos, Layout = 7.1 CH + 4 Height", the help text of GUI displays an unnecessary explanation in the Pre-Amp setting.
- When Dynamic Volume is turned off with the AMX command, Dynamic EQ is also disabled.


one curious thing I noticed is when the marantz was in standby the oval display still had a few pixels lit --- very dimly.....so flipped down the front panel to reveal the main display....AND !

very curiously it said "ZONE 3 On" even though the marantz was in stand by ! aha I thought found something here. of course how the hell do you turn zone 3 off...as I dont have a zone 3 or a zone 2 for that matter...only a main zone...and likely why this is leaving my power amp on ?

nothing in the menus to switch off zones....so decide to look at the marantz remote...lo and held it has a zone button on it ...which if press it cycles through zones and the power button can then switch on and off each zone ! turned off zone 3 and woohoo...my power amp switches off ! victory !!!!

made sure zone 2 was off and then switched the remote to the main zone only.

so there you go. only thing I can think off is the zone button accidentally hit on the marantz remote and in powering on it has powered on zone 3 ? and hence thinking why the amp needed to stay on ?

anyways wiht all triggers on in the menu and with hdmi cec control off...no zones engaged wooohoo pleased to say triggers both are working as they should.

so thank good ness nothing has infact failed woohoo...no trips to the service centre !

one to chock away guys ....zones ...they can play with your triggers...good to also explore the hdmi cec side as with the complex trigger setup the thing has
will notify the one at the wheel….
The following is a list of fixes/changes included in the Feb 04th firmware update (DTS:X + HDMI 2.0a) :

1) Ability to use "Rear Height" instead of "Surround Height" with Auro 3D (which then allows using FH+RH for all 3 formats: Atmos, DTS:X, Auro 3D using a single Audyssey calibration)
2) HDMI 2.0a(HDR)
3) Add the "DTS: X" and "DTS Neural:X" sound mode feature.
4) When the customer plays DD + stream that exceeds 504kbps at specific Media Player (Tmall Magic box TMB300A), the sound might not be output from the AV receiver. The symptom is a problem that the product has the failure in playing DD + stream that exceeds 504kbps. (Improvement request from Dolby Laboratories, Inc.)
5) Even if the customer sets "Tone Control" to "ON" with the WEB control setting screen of the AV receiver, and the numerical value of Bass or Treble is changed, the AV receiver doesn't reflect a set value. The symptom is a problem that the AV receiver cannot set Bass or Treble from the WEB control.
6) When the input source of AV receiver switches automatically from Blu-ray (function during SACD playback) to TV Audio, the sound of the broadcast via ARC from specific TV (Panasonic) might not be outputted. The symptom is a problem that the sound of the broadcast via ARC from specific TV (Panasonic) might not be outputted.
7) Even if the customer sets Level FR from the WEB control screen of the AV receiver, the customer cannot confirm a set value of Level FR because the display on the WEB control screen doesn't change. The display of Level FR on the WEB control screen doesn't change but Level FR on the AV receiver side is changed. The symptom is a problem that the customer cannot confirm a set value of Level FR because the display on the WEB control screen doesn't change.
8) When the customer connects MAC Book to the AV receiver and then the specific MP3 file (Album art size is bigger than 1000x1000 pixels) is played from iTunes via the AirPlay, the AV receiver reboots before starting the playback of the MP3 file. The symptom is a problem that the AV receiver reboots before starting the playback of the MP3 file. (# 2-30-20150721-1 by EU region)
9) If the customer inserted the iPod classic to USB-A terminal on AV Receiver with standby mode (over 8 hours or more), when the customer turns on the power of AV receiver, the AV receiver cannot connect to the iPod again. The symptom is a problem that the AV receiver cannot connect to the iPod when the customer turns on the power of AV receiver. (#2-53-20150427-2 by EU region)
10) When the customer connects the AV receiver to HDMI output of specific Streaming Media Player (Roku 4) that the output setting of the resolution is set to 4K, the AV receiver doesn't output the video or the AV receiver has a latency until the output video. The symptom is a problem that the AV receiver doesn't output the video or the AV receiver has a latency until the output video.
11) Custom 2CH playback settings added
Auro 3D Upgrade instructions:

1. Connect the unit to the internet.
2. Ensure the unit has the latest firmware update installed.
3. Using the GUI, select Upgrade now (or go to SETUP -- GENERAL -- FIRMWARE -- ADD NEW FEATURE) and write down the "Upgrade ID" listed on the display
4. Go to the Upgrade website on the Marantz website at http://upgrade.marantz.com/na/marantz/pages/home.aspx
5. Complete the Auro 3D upgrade Personal form to include personal information, the unit's serial number (listed on back of unit or on original box), and the Upgrade ID obtained in step 3.
6. Enter credit card information - $199 USD (includes Auro 3D Demo Disk).
7. Once the card has been processed, the Auro 3D upgrade will be available to download to the unit (estimated download time - 49 minutes)


***** Also ... for those not wanting to upgrade to Auro 3D at this time, you will be given the option to turn Upgrade Notification OFF or you can just go to SETUP -- GENERAL -- FIRMWARE -- NOTIFICATIONS -- UPGRADE and select OFF so you don't get the Upgrade notification each time the unit is powered ON. :)

The following resets are available on the AV8802/A.

A. With the AVP powered OFF, press/hold the two buttons listed below on the AVP's front panel for 4-5 seconds after releasing the power button.

Microprocessor reset – GAME+A-DSX

Factory/Deep Reset (includes microprocessor reset) – MOVIE+MUSIC


B. With the AVP powered ON and the "Online Music" source selected, press/hold the two buttons listed below for 4-5 seconds

Network Reboot (network card only) – BACK+ ENTER

Network Reset (network card + following settings initialized: Favorites, Smart Select, Presets, Internet Radio recently played, Flickr contacts, User ID, Resume Playback station) – M-DAX+DYNAMIC EQ

After installing the DTS:X update, the Marantz Remote App might not work. So this update is to fix that issue.

4/6/2016
(1) When the customer updates the firmware to "DTS: X", the product might not be able to operate from the Marantz Remote App.


July 04, 2016

- When customer connects the AV receiver with the specific BD player (Sony BDP-CX960 and Sony CX-7000 Blu-ray Jukebox) via the HDMI and playback the contents of "DTS-HD", the AV receiver doesn't recognize the audio of "DTS-HD". Therefore, the specific BD player outputs the audio signal with Multi ch PCM.
The symptom is a problem that the "DTS-HD" format signal is not output.
- In a network environment in which AV receiver is connected, the network module of the AV receiver reboots when Netflix APP starts on the iOS device.
The symptom is a problem that the network module of the AV receiver reboots when Netflix APP starts on the iOS device.
- The audio intermittently becomes interrupted when HD cable TV program switches from DD with DSU to PCM based commercial using Dolby Surround.
The symptom is a problem that the audio intermittently becomes interrupted when HD cable TV program switches from DD with DSU to PCM based commercial using Dolby Surround.
- When the customer plays a specific file by USB Memory device, the track name is changed one after another in 25 seconds. (File that the number (01 and 02, etc.) are recorded at the beginning of the name.) The symptom is a problem that the track name is changed one after another in 25 seconds.
- When the customer inputs the 2ch audio signal with the following specific condition to the AV receiver, the Center channel output signal is distorted.
Sound mode: DTS Neural:X Input signal: amplitude = over 440mFFS (40% vs full scale) and frequency=720Hz / 2.7~4.1kHz
The symptom is a problem that the Center channel output signal is distorted by the specified condition.
- After the firmware updates to corresponding to the "DTS:X" feature, the following failure occurs in the AV receiver.
When the surround mode is "DTS:X", the surround parameter "Neural:X" of the initial value is OFF. The symptom is a problem that the surround parameter "Neural:X" of the initial value is OFF when the surround mode is "DTS:X". (The correct initial value is ON.)
- After the firmware updates to corresponding to the "DTS:X" feature, the following failure occurs in the AV receiver.
When the customer inputs the DTS signal of 2ch to the AV receiver, the AV receiver shows "DTS Neural:X" on the display but the audio signal is not output with "DTS Neural:X". The symptom is a problem that the AV receiver shows "DTS Neural:X" on the display but the audio signal is not output with "DTS Neural:X" when the customer inputs the DTS signal of 2ch to the AV receiver.
- When the customer switches the sound mode from the Denon Remote App, the following failure occurs in the AV receiver.
Example: The sound mode becomes the "Dolby Surround" even if the customer selects the "DTS Neural:X" in the sound mode.
The sound mode becomes the "DTS Neural:X" even if the customer selects the "Dolby Surrouds" in the sound mode.
The symptom is a problem that the sound mode is not correctly selected even if the customer selects the sound mode.
- When the customer connects iPod/USB and MediaServer to the product, and music is played, the product was a specification that do an unnecessary access.
- When the black hole router was present between the Internet environment of the AV receiver and DPMS server (including the Internet service provider side equipment), the AV receiver might fail in the firmware update. (The black hole router is a router that destroy it when the divided IP packet cannot be forwarded.)
jdsmoothie said:
October 28, 2016

1. DSU on DTS sources
2. Neural-X on Dolby Sources
3. Pandora logon fix
jdsmoothie said:
April 25, 2017

1. Added support of the 2016 Marantz Remote App version 2.2.0
2. Counteracted upcoming Spotify platform changes.
3. Corrected issue where Audyssey data would not save with Quick Selects
4. Corrected issue where Info screen would not disappear after AVR power up.
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#10,781 ·
Wow, it has been a long time since I read any postings about B&K! The Ref 50 was my first foray into separates and I loved it for many years. But when HDMI came along, I made the switch to the Ref 70 buying into the promise that they would upgrade us to lossless audio down the road. But I got tired of waiting for it to happen (it never did) and so I switched to the Integra 80.2 some four or five years ago. It was much better than the Ref 70 for movies, but I still loved the B&K sound for music. I upgraded to the 8802A in December and it was a huge jump up in quality compared to the Integra. I don't miss the Integra at all in my main HT. In fact, I moved the Integra to my family room and am seriously considering getting the Marantz 7702 for that room down the road.


Bottom line, you are going to love the 8802A. Welcome to the club!
I agree. Listening fatigue is a thing of the past.
 
#10,782 · (Edited)
How does the Emotiva ET-3 prevent the Marantz triggers from failing? It just expands one of the existing triggers into multiple triggers. So hot swapping the connection between the Marantz and Emotiva could still blow the trigger on the Marantz and depending on how things are designed hot swapping the connection between the Emotiva and the amps could still potentially blow the trigger on the Marantz.
Hot swapping amps on emotiva, no issue. Hot swapping trigger between marantz and emotiva is still an issue. However, one can disconnect the emotiva power supply before doing any swaps to help avoid issues. Inside the emotiva, each output is isolated and emotiva mentions this in their manual in a roundabout way when discussing a shorted trigger,
 
#10,783 ·
I have had both the anthem avm60 and the 8802a in my rack for awhile now. I even as said before had the latest yammy 5100 but the marantz quickly replaced that. For 2 channel this sucker cannot be beat as far as processors go. I have since added some treatments and will run audyssey again and compare....
good to hear this. I was very curious about the AVM60 2ch music quality (compared to AV8802A). So, I'm curious, how are you playing back 2ch music sources?
 
#10,784 ·
i got the auro3D update myself and went iwht the voice of god speaker. it seems good for concerts and music based blu-rays/dvds. also have made some posts prior in this thread re auro3D native music and red tails for movie for instance
what type of speaker config were you running prior to adding the "voice of god speaker"? 7.1?
So what is your speaker config now? 9.x.x? Or 11.x.x?
 
#10,785 ·
what type of speaker config were you running prior to adding the "voice of god speaker"? 7.1?
So what is your speaker config now? 9.x.x? Or 11.x.x?
hi wc, was 7.1 just added the 5 in ceilings including the VOG :)

what does the make it 7.1.5 ? :D

anyways its your typical 7.1.4 atmos and the vog speaker comes in play for auro3D :)
 
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#10,788 ·
#10,789 ·
A simple question, sorry if its a dumb one, I previously had an 8801. I have the 8802 connected to my Directv DVR and on the 8801 the display used to show "Dolby Digital" and on the 8802 it displays "Dolby D + Dolby Surround" Not sure why its displaying differently. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
 
#10,790 ·
A simple question, sorry if its a dumb one, I previously had an 8801. I have the 8802 connected to my Directv DVR and on the 8801 the display used to show "Dolby Digital" and on the 8802 it displays "Dolby D + Dolby Surround" Not sure why its displaying differently. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
The "+ Dolby Surround" simply indicates that the 8802 is using Dolby Surround to extract information for the rear surround speakers, i.e. converting a 5.1 signal to 7.1. If you click "AVR Info" on the remote, you will see that the rear surrounds are active. This is the default behavior, but if you hold down the "Movie" button, you will be presented with a "Dolby Digital" option that reverts to the 5.1 signal.
 
#10,791 ·
The "+ Dolby Surround" simply indicates that the 8802 is using Dolby Surround to extract information for the rear surround speakers, i.e. converting a 5.1 signal to 7.1. If you click "AVR Info" on the remote, you will see that the rear surrounds are active. This is the default behavior, but if you hold down the "Movie" button, you will be presented with a "Dolby Digital" option that reverts to the 5.1 signal.
This format also mixes sound to overhead speakers in a dolby atmos up mix scenario.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk
 
#10,792 ·
Not totally the same but I went from a Ref 50 to Onkyo PRSC5508 and the difference was breath taking (and I always loved my Ref 50). I then swapped out the Onkyo for the 8802A. Not as drastic of a difference as the first swap but still an amazing difference. I sold the Onkyo and never looked back. You'll be more amazed with the surround sound difference. It's very smooth compared to the B&K.
I had the 50 (the first version). My impressions of the two compared are likely on the 70 thread. I still remember the clarity as being the most noticeable.

Smooth came to mind when I was listening to the 8802 but I'm not sure if it's the room correction or a Marantz signature sound.

Whether I like it or not, I'll be doing more listening to these two as my 'old' Epson 1080UB (HDMI 1.3) can't talk to the 8802, I assume.

ck
 
#10,793 ·
I agree. Listening fatigue is a thing of the past.
Wow, it has been a long time since I read any postings about B&K! The Ref 50 was my first foray into separates and I loved it for many years. But when HDMI came along, I made the switch to the Ref 70 buying into the promise that they would upgrade us to lossless audio down the road. But I got tired of waiting for it to happen (it never did) and so I switched to the Integra 80.2 some four or five years ago. It was much better than the Ref 70 for movies, but I still loved the B&K sound for music. I upgraded to the 8802A in December and it was a huge jump up in quality compared to the Integra. I don't miss the Integra at all in my main HT. In fact, I moved the Integra to my family room and am seriously considering getting the Marantz 7702 for that room down the road.


Bottom line, you are going to love the 8802A. Welcome to the club!
Thanks, Cal!

I must say though, I've never felt fatigue with the 70 but perhaps my room gels with it. I would agree that it does have a somewhat crisper sound to it.

ck
 
#10,794 ·
I think your Epson will work. 8802A is backward compatible.
 
#10,795 ·
I think your Epson will work. 8802A is backward compatible.
I'd love to find out that I've goofed something in the settings! There's a learning curve with this prepro as it's so much more capable than my 70.

I've connected my projector to monitor 1 and monitor 2 and I'm getting audio but no picture. I've assumed that it's a handshake issue but that's just a WAG (Wild Ass Guess).

ck
 
#10,796 ·
I'd love to find out that I've goofed something in the settings! There's a learning curve with this prepro as it's so much more capable than my 70.

I've connected my projector to monitor 1 and monitor 2 and I'm getting audio but no picture. I've assumed that it's a handshake issue but that's just a WAG (Wild Ass Guess).

ck
I fear you need to get better cables.

Sadly, this kind of problem is being reported often when people have upgraded. It is caused by inadequate cables. My impression is that the new 4K UHD HDMI chipsets don't have as strong an output as the older 1080p HDMI chipsets. As a result, attenuation and dispersion that worked OK with older equipment is just a little too much for newer devices.
 
#10,797 ·
I fear you need to get better cables.

Sadly, this kind of problem is being reported often when people have upgraded. It is caused by inadequate cables. My impression is that the new 4K UHD HDMI chipsets don't have as strong an output as the older 1080p HDMI chipsets. As a result, attenuation and dispersion that worked OK with older equipment is just a little too much for newer devices.
I don't remember how long my HDMI run to the pj is but it's 25-30' of Blue Jeans Belden Series-1 (designed for long runs). It does connect to the prepro via a male-to-male connector and another 24" Belden Series-1.

I'll move the 8802 closer to the HDMI termination and pull the extraneous cable and adapter to see if that helps. I've also reset the 02 so hopefully that will work.

Thanks for the advice, Selden!

ck
 
#10,798 ·
I don't remember how long my HDMI run to the pj is but it's 25-30' of Blue Jeans Belden Series-1 (designed for long runs). It does connect to the prepro via a male-to-male connector and another 24" Belden Series-1.

I'll move the 8802 closer to the HDMI termination and pull the extraneous cable and adapter to see if that helps. I've also reset the 02 so hopefully that will work.

Thanks for the advice, Selden!

ck
FWIW, I am using Redmere HDMI cables from MonoPrice. These cables are high speed and have the appropriate bandwidth to handle UHD/HDR signals, and are reasonably priced.
 
#10,799 ·
FWIW, I am using Redmere HDMI cables from MonoPrice. These cables are high speed and have the appropriate bandwidth to handle UHD/HDR signals, and are reasonably priced.
Depends on the cable you get from them. If they were manufactured after Feb 1, you should be fine, if before then, then they aren't 18Gbps cables...I've tested 5 of them and they all failed to send a 4K image. I have a couple of friends that tested them as well and they didn't work for them either with the Samsung UHD player.
 
#10,800 ·
cables as per dave above I feel are the key. and much to his article I think the prior knowledge of this helped me !

i had the expected gymnastics when moved to a 4k uhd source in the sammy player. the fact I run a projector and need a 10m run and very quickly worked out my original cable would be no good - fortunately there was a direct replacement from kordz in their PRS hdmi that they were sure would work ....and did.

2ndly some gymnastics with hdcp blocking signal with my dual display setup as long as my pio kuro was connected (no matter I wasnt even using at the same time). trying a couple of trick devices in a the hd fury and a thing called a blu-stream I found didnt help in this regard. came down to my marantz and de selecting dual displays and running independent displays instead.
 
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