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I'll look at both units when there released. But they got to have a minimum of 2 subwoofer outs, if not I will pass until the next lot come out.
They do Frank; both of them have two sub outs. ...I am certain that they both have the Sub EQ HT and Low Frequency Containment, which comes with Audyssey Platinum (XT32).

You have the superb 8801, so you can afford waiting for the 2nd gen Dolby Atmos. And by then, hopefully we'll have some intelligent software to go with it.
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AV8801 not good enough just for the analog HDAM's
are we sure the AV8802 will yield significant improvement, over the AV8801, in analog sound (upgraded HDAM's)?
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are we sure the AV8802 will yield significant improvement, over the AV8801, in analog sound (upgraded HDAM's)?
Good question. I'd like to know if it will offer significant improvement over the AV7702!

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Good question. I'd like to know if it will offer significant improvement over the AV7702!
I agree.
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They do Frank; both of them have two sub outs. ...I am certain that they both have the Sub EQ HT and Low Frequency Containment, which comes with Audyssey Platinum (XT32).

You have the superb 8801, so you can afford waiting for the 2nd gen Dolby Atmos. And by then, hopefully we'll have some intelligent software to go with it.
Well thats the thing isn't it, your right who knows the second gen Dolby Atmos pre amps might have Diriac, A new Audyssey implementation. Im actually considering of sitting this one out.

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Good question. I'd like to know if it will offer significant improvement over the AV7702!
What would you do if it did?

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Well thats the thing isn't it, your right who knows the second gen Dolby Atmos pre amps might have Dirac, A new Audyssey implementation. Im actually considering of sitting this one out.
I might just do that too Frank. ...Dad said I was smart. ... R.I.P. Dad

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Probably go to bed earlier.
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What would you do if it did?
Be pretty surprised. But I will not buy one. This is all about playing with Atmos and Dolby Surround.

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I might just do that too Frank. ..
Well it's definitely something I'm considering.
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Be pretty surprised. But I will not buy one. This is all about playing with Atmos and Dolby Surround.
Well that's correct, which asks the questions when using only for home theatre is there a real difference in sound?
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Well that's correct, which asks the questions when using only for home theatre is there a real difference in sound?
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Let us know if when you find out about differences in sound quality between 8802 vs 7702
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Steinway Lyngdorf P2 Dolby Atmos Processor

Steinway Lyngdorf P2 Dolby Atmos Processor was announced as part of a lead-up to the 2014 CEDIA Expo. The Model P2 is the first and only processor to support multiple speaker configurations for the new Dolby Atmos surround format as well as Auro-3D (a format that focuses specifically on the height aspect of the surround sound experience). There will be a Dolby Atmos demo of the new Steinway Lyngdorf P2 at CEDIA, and attendees will get to experience the technology first-hand.


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For Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-rays or SACDs?
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For Dolby Atmos encoded Blu-rays or SACDs?
All of the above
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All of the above
I'm curious too if a gun shot or a passing car sounds different between the two. Also the rustle of leaves in surrounds and rain.

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Question for the group - and I hope this is the right place to ask my question:
I'm considering buying either a Denon X5200 or one of the Marantz pre/pros to use with a prospective full ("pro") Trinnov unit, especially if the Trinnov Altitude's 16 channel version with 3D codec support will be potentially be priced near or above Datasat RS20i territory (e.g. $20K+). Would the Marantz offer me any particular advantage due to the DAC or XLR pre-outs over a Denon X5200 (24-bit DAC) or X7200 (32-bit DAC) unit, with amps that I wouldn't be using in this scenario? Currently I have a 7.1 PSB-based system, with two HSU ULS-15 subs, but I would add four channels to have either a 7.1.4 or potentially in the long run a 9.1.4 system when technology permits. Managing multiple subs to be EQ'd as one would be done with either my MiniDSP or through the Trinnov unit, price permitting.

Also, if I needed to have analog pre-outs to feed into a Trinnov MC or Magnitude unit (which might have either XLR or analog DB25 connectors depending on what unit I went for), if I have a roughly 6 foot run of the cables, is there any advantage to having an XLR pre-out vs. an RCA pre-out? The assumption is that I'm looking to move into adding Dolby Atmos, UHD etc. as they become available by firmware upgrades, and that the MC/Magnitude units will eventually support a flavor of Trinnov Remapping to the relevant 3D Codec's ideal placement (if that makes any sense).

Basically I'd be wanting to minimize potential A/D/A conversion issues. Not ideal, but certainly more cost efficient than the gold standard all-digital HDMI path I'd use with the uber-expensive (as opposed to merely expensive) Altitude. I'd be picking up either two multichannel amps TBD to replace my existing Denon 4311 AVR's functionality for amping the system.
Well, who would have thought there'd be two of us pondering very similar configs.

I'm also going for a full 16 or 24 channel Trinnov setup to put behind my current Denon AVP-A1 processor, but with an eye towards an 8802 w/Atmos in 2015.

While I too want to minimize A/D/A steps, I can say that I've happily lived with that for years, as my current speaker processor, a DBX DriveRack 4800, drives my speakers and is pretty transparent. The benefits of near-perfect speaker tuning i'm sure outweigh any minor loss of detail. But most null-tests of these things (they run at 24/96) shows them to be transparent. I'm pretty sure the Trinnov's are equally good if not better.

So to answer your questions: I'd go for models with balanced interconnects (XLR), as that makes integrating with pro stuff easier and minimizes extraneous cabling issues.

I hope that someday, CE vendors will adopt multi channel digital outs such as MADI, so we can do all this downstream processing with fewer D/A cycles. But I'm sure some legal reasons exists why this can't be done.
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Well, who would have thought there'd be two of us pondering very similar configs.

I'm also going for a full 16 or 24 channel Trinnov setup to put behind my current Denon AVP-A1 processor, but with an eye towards an 8802 w/Atmos in 2015.

While I too want to minimize A/D/A steps, I can say that I've happily lived with that for years, as my current speaker processor, a DBX DriveRack 4800, drives my speakers and is pretty transparent. The benefits of near-perfect speaker tuning i'm sure outweigh any minor loss of detail. But most null-tests of these things (they run at 24/96) shows them to be transparent. I'm pretty sure the Trinnov's are equally good if not better.

So to answer your questions: I'd go for models with balanced interconnects (XLR), as that makes integrating with pro stuff easier and minimizes extraneous cabling issues.

I hope that someday, CE vendors will adopt multi channel digital outs such as MADI, so we can do all this downstream processing with fewer D/A cycles. But I'm sure some legal reasons exists why this can't be done.
HDCP has a lot to do with it WRT HDMI; that and the tiny market for such things. The consumer world's pre/pros are aimed at folks that want flexibility in what amps they use, so analog output is all that's needed as almost all dedicated amps use RCA or XLR inputs.

My understanding is that you can get by with RCA/XLR cables for short runs (under 6 feet as per a comment by Curt @ Trinnov on one of the threads on the $20K forum), or unbalanced RCA. It's the longer runs where balanced interconnects may have benefit, and given the value of the EQ vs. the additional conversion, the A/D/A issues are also IMO more secondary for most folks with conventional speakers and sources. But in the Trinnov world, you have also the flexibility of DB25 I/O, which is much more efficient than the individual channel interconnects. I wish some non-esoteric amps and higher end consumer AVRs or pre/pros had that feature, honestly.

As for your choice of what Trinnov solution to get if you want to go that route, it's all about the time value of money, I suppose. Picking up the 8802 is advantageous, as you can swap the pre/pro as new tech and connectivity choices (not necessarily codec related) occur, every few years. But the Altitude as your pre/pro, which is going to be more expensive than their Magnitude or MC you'd use with the 8802, offers the potential for an AIO all-digital solution, and software based upgrades - as well as support for a larger number of potential channels to make full use of consumer Atmos (24.1.10 at the limit) than what DSP based, 1st gen Atmos is currently set up to do. Pay up front or pay "later".

Well, we'll know more after CEDIA where it all nets out.

Bottom line: if you're going to be happy with a 7.1.4 configuration for Atmos, and are willing to wait for Auro or UHD, the Altitude has less potential value to a buyer than an 8802 or the Denon X5100 or 7200, even if you have the, um, resources to buy it.

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I wish that you could just turn off the amps in a AVR, and have an inexpensive AVP.
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Perhaps Oppo could launch a new 11x model next year that does Atmos decoding with 11 or 13.x outputs.

That could be a potential partner for the trinnov box
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Here it is! the Ultimate AVR, only us mere mortals can dream of! 32 channels of pure bliss! The Trinnov Altitude 32







Funny, I thought it'd be bigger?
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Funny, I thought it'd be bigger?
No need since there are no analog, and SVHS inputs.... Plus I only see 16 balanced outputs. I am a little lost as to it have 32 channels with only 16 being balanced but then there is the section below it that appears to use dongles for up to 32... If they are using dongles why waste the real estate for balanced jacks. On there website it also says 24 inputs... I don't see that many either.

Apparently they are counting all the coax inputs too. Why would you do that?

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No need since there are no analog, and SVHS inputs.... Plus I only see 16 balanced outputs. I am a little lost as to it have 32 channels with only 16 being balanced but then there is the section below it that appears to use dongles for up to 32... If they are using dongles why waste the real estate for balanced jacks. On there website it also says 24 inputs... I don't see that many either.
16x AES channels on DB25 through Digital out and 32x balanced on 4x DB25 through Analog. Release date between September - October.


Honestly this isn't for me, but I will wait it out till mainstream High-End AVR's have more then 9.2.4 channels available with full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 next year! Reason? I want rear center surround!

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16x AES channels on DB25 through Digital out and 32x balanced on 4x DB25 through Analog.
Why are they wasting real estate for 16 AES channels if they are using the dongles on db25? IMO it is extremely over priced for what you are getting. It should be under $10K.

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Why are they wasting real estate for 16 AES channels if they are using the dongles on db25? IMO it is extremely over priced for what you are getting. It should be under $10K.
Think of it as French boutique? Basically for people who can wipe there asses with $100 bills every day! Personally, not me!
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Funny, I thought it'd be bigger?
♦ Is this better than the Trinnov Optimizer Magnitude?

And by the way, the Marantz AV8802 is not truly balanced (in & out), as the Denon AVP-A1HDCI is.
/// Big difference here. ...And the price reflects that too; roughly $3,500 more for the Denon.
But the big and heavy Denon SSP haven't got no Dolby Atmos.
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♦ Is this better than the Trinnov Optimizer Magnitude?

And by the way, the Marantz AV8802 is not truly balanced (in & out), as the Denon AVP-A1HDCI is.
/// Big difference here. ...And the price reflects that too; roughly $3,500 more for the Denon.
But the big and heavy Denon SSP haven't got no Dolby Atmos.
As far as I know? The way they advertise it, it's not listed as The Ultimate AV-Preamp on there web site, so maybe yes?


I don't know if they'll support the magnitude with an Atmos update, but it should be capable of processing it, since it has a 64-bit processor?
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16x AES channels on DB25 through Digital out and 32x balanced on 4x DB25 through Analog. Release date between September - October.


Honestly this isn't for me, but I will wait it out till mainstream High-End AVR's have more then 9.2.4 channels available with full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 next year! Reason? I want rear center surround!
So you need another outboard Trinnov D/A box that can handle the digital DB25 connector for more than 16 "channels" in the main processor unit? Am I getting that right?

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So you need another outboard Trinnov D/A box that can handle the digital DB25 connector for more than 16 "channels?" Am I getting that right?
Maybe that comes with the package? If not, that will suck, but I guess that's not a problem when you can drop this kind of dough?
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