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ah, I see, thanks. So, essentially, the basic requirement are two additional rear-height speakers? Giving us 5.1.2 ?
The "height" speakers are generally at the front or rear of the room while the "ceiling" speakers will be closer to your seated position (ie. forward of the height speakers).

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In a 01/07/2014 Press Release, "DTS Demonstrates DTS-UHD™ Decoder Using Single-Chip Audio DSP at Consumer Electronics Show" (link), DTS stated: "AVR, HTiB and soundbar licensee partners of DTS that utilize Cirrus Logic quad-core audio DSPs will be able to license the DTS-UHD decoder into their product designs beginning Q2 2014".

The inference I draw is that at least some AVRs will use the Cirrus Logic quad-core audio DSP to decode|render DTS-UHD content, so that for a portion of those AVR lines, a 'model year hardware' update may be required, rather than just a firmware update...?!

I can't find any quad core dsp chips on cirrus logic website or google. This looks like the current best model. Only dual core and no atmos or dts 3d mentioned.
http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs...odKey=CS4970xx

It appears (link) that the Krell Foundation Surround Processor feature set is "based upon a pair of [these] dual-core 32-bit Cirrus Logic CS497024 DSPs" . . . which seem capable of performing 'everything including the kitchen sink' audio decoding and post-processing!
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As previously mentioned, all 2014/2015 D&M Atmos units are scheduled to be released with Atmos pre-loaded, to include the 8802, starting with the SR7009 and AV7702 in Sep.
Good preloaded is best no surprises then

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The Marantz doesn't include it

So no DTS UHD in 2015

http://www.dts.com/corporate/press-r...nics-show.aspx

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It appears (link) that the Krell Foundation Surround Processor feature set is "based upon a pair of [these] dual-core 32-bit Cirrus Logic CS497024 DSPs" . . . which seem capable of performing 'everything including the kitchen sink' audio decoding and post-processing!_
It is only 7.1 ! So no ATMOS no DTS UHD

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I read that Marantz had to retool from 2 to 4 dsp chips for audyssey and atmos combined. Does anybody know what brand/model chips those are?
D&M typically uses AnalogDevices, SHARC 32's mostly, the Marantz 8801 uses three ADSP21487. So I'd expect that's what they use in the upcoming unit, but four of them for added channel capacity and Atmos decoding.

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I just replaced my Integra DHC80.3 processor with the Marantz AV8801. ......I will continue to work and improve my rooms acoustics.
How do you like the upgrade, I assume it is an upgrade?

Great idea a lot of people neglect room acoustics

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How do you like the upgrade, I assume it is an upgrade?

Great idea a lot of people neglect room acoustics
I do have acoustic room treatments now...like whole front wall is acoustical treated and I have a make shift bass trap in the back. I need a better looking commercially made bass trap and I want to do a little room treatment in the back on the room as I get a very slight slap back in the rear. When I built the room the installer said to keep the rear of the room very live for the surround speakers. I've found this not totally true and the rear of my room needs a little treatment to stop that slight slap back echo. You can see some of my room on the profile pics I have.

The Marantz AV8801 is nice. I like its operation better than the Intgra. I never really warmed up to the Intgra. As far as sound goes its really hard to tell a huge difference but it seems to do surround a little better with more pin point accuracy. It also seems to do 2ch better as well. Also the HDI switching is nicer too. I really wanted a McIntosh to go with my McIntosh amps....but...it's hard to throw $12k to a processor that will be out of date in a year or 2.

I am still playing with Audessey xt32. I'm not completely sold on it's calibrations. I tend to want to go it and tweak the eq settings. Audessey is basically getting my distance correct but is putting odd crossover points on all my speakers and they are a complete set of Klipsch Ref7 speakers so they should pretty much have the same sound from the kids and higher.

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I am still playing with Audessey xt32. I'm not completely sold on it's calibrations. I tend to want to go it and tweak the eq settings. Audessey is basically getting my distance correct but is putting odd crossover points on all my speakers and they are a complete set of Klipsch Ref7 speakers so they should pretty much have the same sound from the kids and higher.
The Audyssey calibration procedure is essentially identical in both the Integra and Marantz pre/pros. If you haven't already, please take the time to look through the Audyssey FAQ and 101 at "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

Bear in mind that Audyssey determines the point at which it hears a 3dB falloff in sound level (the f3 point) and then the pre/pro's separate firmware decides which crossover frequency to use. Manually raising the crossover frequency setting is fine. Lowering it is not: Audyssey does not attempt to do any corrections below a speaker's f3 point. See

c)1. Why are my Crossovers set differently to my speaker manufacturer's specification?
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c)4. Is it OK to change the Crossovers from Audyssey's recommendation?

Hopefully you're using a microphone boom stand to hold the microphone. They can be had for less than $30 and make it relatively easy to always position the microphone in the same places when redoing a calibration. Small displacements sometimes make a big difference. See
d)1. Do I really need to put the Audyssey mic on a tripod or stand?

If you use the relatively crude graphics equalizer, it completely disables Audyssey EQ. This is the same for both Denon/Marantz and Onkyo/Integra systems, but D&M also provide separate tone controls. See

a)12. What is the relationship between the Equaliser setting in my Onkyo/Integra AVR and Audyssey?

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Hi Selden, thanks for your post and links. I am using a boom mic stand...I have plenty of them for my drums. I totally forgot about the F3 crossover deal. My rears were set at 100...my sides at 70 which to me was odd as they are the same as the rears and my front LR and 40 and center at 50. The sub volume was extremely set low. I have re-done Audessey around 4 times now after reading about mic placement. I got better results with only moving the mic 2-4" max around my LP.

I fight with myself about using the eq setting in the AV8801. I guess it's a pro audio sound man in me and the drummer in me. I fight with this because I really want to use Audessey and I know it improves my low end. However I am not happy with upper mids and highs with Audessey on....so I tend to want to tweak the settings myself.

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Room reinforcement (reflections) can make identical speakers sound quite different depending on where they're located in the room. If you haven't already, you might want to consider room treatments (absorbers). When placed properly, they often can make a substantial improvement.

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Room reinforcement (reflections) can make identical speakers sound quite different depending on where they're located in the room. If you haven't already, you might want to consider room treatments (absorbers). When placed properly, they often can make a substantial improvement.
Yep that is what I am planing on doing. Just need to find something that looks nice and interesting but isn't super expensive.

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Any word on whether the 8802 with the quad DSP will be able to handle full 192kHz resolution with Audyssey XT32 enabled without downsampling to 48kHz?
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Hi,

Will be watching T4 @ Atmos GVmax on Sunday. May I know is there any 3D Auro Cinema in Singapore.?

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Well that's good that it will be pre-loaded and also the av7702 will be available sometime in september
But that's not too far off, I'm surprised they haven't updated their website that new pre/pro and avrs are coming... Yamaha and Onkyo have their's up, denon as well if you know the link otherwise not listed.

I'm debating whether or not I need atmos as I'm only doing 7.2 and maybe go 9 channels if or when movies and games will add it.
If the 8802 really is $5Gs there better be a reason and not just snake oil...
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Any word on whether the 8802 with the quad DSP will be able to handle full 192kHz resolution with Audyssey XT32 enabled without downsampling to 48kHz?
It will not, ie. no change from the 8801.

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It will not, ie. no change from the 8801.
Now this is a letdown........ :-(
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Not at all .. no real audible difference either way.

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Now this is a letdown........ :-(
Audyssey is getting quite old at this point, hopefully more company switch to Dirac.
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Bear in mind that Audyssey determines the point at which it hears a 3dB falloff in sound level (the f3 point) and then the pre/pro's separate firmware decides which crossover frequency to use. Manually raising the crossover frequency setting is fine. Lowering it is not: Audyssey does not attempt to do any corrections below a speaker's f3 point. See
...snip...
So no subwoofer equalization in my 8801???????

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Yes, of course there is. All versions of Audyssey (except 2EQ) can EQ the subwoofer. The post you quoted is referring specifically to "speaker" EQ.

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Have to agree, or Audyssey to come out with something new.

There's nothing wrong with Audyssey.

XT32 already provides a lot of resolution. In fact the 48kHz limitation is due to the lack of processing power in current DSPs. Audyssey can process it at higher resolutions as long as they have enough horsepower to do the number crunching.

There's perhaps no reason for them to do so if as JD says there's no audible reason. But then it seems a waste when there are some BDs with 192kHz material.
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Get your marantz 8801 audessey pro calibrated and it will be close to perfect. Before it was done my system sounded good, but after it is amazing. I was doing the same thing with adjustments- back and forth etc until it was calibrated by Chad B. We'll worth the money!

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Get your marantz 8801 audessey pro calibrated and it will be close to perfect. Before it was done my system sounded good, but after it is amazing. I was doing the same thing with adjustments- back and forth etc until it was calibrated by Chad B. We'll worth the money!
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I think I paid $600 or so for both the projector and audessey pro done, but he spent a whole day working on fine tuning the system. Check out his website hdtvbychadb.com, he is out of Ohio but travels around the country. There is also a thread that talks about calibrators and where they are located on Avs. Look for someone that does the calibration!!!! Highly recommended!!!

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Very good features and as always, great looking unit.

But I just don't see enough value or added functionality/features to make one jump from the AV8801 to the AV8802...perhaps I'm wrong


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Easy way to tell. If all the Philips screws heads are the same alignment, its a photoshop job. And so they are!
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Easy way to tell. If all the Philips screws heads are the same alignment, its a photoshop job. And so they are!
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I want one but can't understand why manufacturer still include compnent and composite video!!!

What a waist of space and money, in 2014 one would hope that all new AV would forget about these inpunt and outputs HDMi rules! Why live in the past!

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